Continuation of Previous Arguement

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Okay...thanks for your two cents. I enjoyed commandos because I saw it as a challange, so it was linear, very linear, I still enjoyed it. Judging from this I guess you would not like Septerra Core or the FF's? Am I correct please tell me if I am wrong.
 
Septerra Core & FF.

I like the first few Final Fantasies. I rented a Play Station and FF7 once, and didn't like the game at all. If a game is going to be that linear, it needs to have alot better story.

As far as Septerra Core, well I bought it. And I've been forcing myself to finish it. Once or twice a month I will go back and go a little farther. It's not that I don't like the game, it's just the combat is so monotonous. I never have trouble killing anything, so combat is just a waste of time.

Skie
 
RE: Septerra Core & FF.

Yes the I agree that the combat is very monotounous, but I still liked the game, I thought the story was creative and the characters were nice.
 
For arguements sake, the Dictionary did have Frag in it. It is short for Fragmentation grenade, and means to wound or kill by throwing a fragmentation grenade or other similar explosive at the victim.
 
What the hell dictionary do you have? Mine doesn't even have cross-genre let alone frag.

Skie
 
>What the hell dictionary do you
>have? Mine doesn't even
>have cross-genre let alone frag.
>

Possibly the Imaken Zhitupp dictionary.
 
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON May-22-00 AT 04:08PM (GMT)[p]actaully it is Dictionary.com, oh and in case you did not get my lats message, it was. Lets just give this game a chance. Is that unreasonable?

Skynet Security Systems Logging off
 
I'll give a shot at it. Just to see if all the things said in here were making sense.
 
>actaully it is Dictionary.com

I noticed it doesn't have any entry for 'cross-genre'.

Also, if you'd have taken the following into account, you might have figured out what I was saying about a word having more than one meaning.
But...um, no. You only used the definition that would make you look like you knew what you were talking about here http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/index.cgi?az=show_thread&om=16&forum=ForumID19&omm=8


v. crossed, cross·ing, cross·es.
v. tr.
To go or extend across; pass from one side of to the other: crossed the room to greet us; a bridge that crosses the bay.
To carry or conduct across something: crossed the horses at the ford.


Now, if I was talking about Cross-Genre and Hybrid in two different contexts or meanings, would that not lead you to conclude that the meaning of "cross" that Cross-Genre uses is different from the meaning that you originally assumed?

Sorry Xotor, but I'm going to have to use it:

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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON May-22-00 AT 09:22PM (GMT)[p]But I am right. Let me explain. First off Reality is relative, what I know as reality is different from what you know as reality. Second, since the truth is reality and reality is relative, then the truth is relative and what I belive as the truth is differnet from what you know as the truth. So that definition is the truth because I belive it as reality, it is in my reality and therefore the truth, it just seems to make me seem right, but really it is the truth, in my perspective. Now what is CORRECT is when a large group of people see the truth the same way. A thing is correct when a large number of people see it as the truth. But my definition of Cross-Genre is the truth simply because I belive it to be, and yours is wrong because I do not belive it to be right. Of course you think mine is wrong because you do not belive it to be right, and there is nothing wrong with that. Of course there are some UNIVERSAL truths, and this is one of them. Universal truths are truths are always the same and lie deeply buried beneath opinion, universal truths are things you *KNOW* to be true utmostly, for you see when I talked about truth before it really was opinion, beacause opnion drives are life and we improperly see opnion as the Truth. The real truth are the never changing things like what I am talking about, there are a lot of them but they are hard to find, and when you found them you KNOW them you do not just belive them, you KNOW as will everyone who finds them will KNOW them not just belive them. We belive Opinion we KNOW the truth. What we see as the truth is really a misinterpretation of opinion. Now here is Shrodingers Cat method, Until the game comes out we are both correct in our views of it, it is both bad and good, and until the game is re;eased it will stay this way(oh and this is a basis of Quantum Physics). Now then I see we've degraded to insulting me, that's not good. But then again I have questions for you. One, Why do you seem to hate me, what have I done do, you? You call me stupid, yet have you seen any of my work? Do you know my life? I made one mistake (which was not even a mistake) and you call me stupid, with that People Against Stupidity Stuff. That is insulting. Two, why will you not answer my question, Why don't we give this game a chance? Why won't you answer it. Until next time
 
(snip QPS101 bs)

Are we dealing with Quantum Physics?

No, so you can set that bullshit aside until we actually do get to something to which that kind of thinking is relevent.

Welcome back to reality.

First you tote out a dictionary, then come in with a QPS101 lesson.

Get a grip.

> Now then I
>see we've degraded to insulting
>me, that's not good.

Not really.
I was explaining the way you said that cross-genre and hybrid were the same. I corrected it.
That would assume that you have *ignorance* on how Cross-Genre and Hybrid are different as pertaining to the discussion.

You still persisted in claiming your definition of a gaming term to be correct, despite the not only obvious, but also common use on the term.

I'm talking apples here, and discussing
various things about them. You then go off talking about oranges and insiting that's the correct point of discussion. Then when I correct you by saying that I'm talking about apples, you say that they are both fruit, so you are correct by talking about another fruit.

See the parallel?

If I talk about Cross-Genre and Hybrid as two different entities, then deductive logic would conclude that the meaning of Cross-Genre would not be the exact same one used for Hybrid. For you to continue insisting that they are one and the same, despite the commonly-used definitions as pertaining to the discussion and despite the phrasology of "cross-genre movement", is *stupidity*.

"cross-genre movement", would make most hairless apes conclude that the meaning of "cross" would be the one like "crossing a bridge".

Though, I could be wrong.

>But then again I have
>questions for you. One, Why
>do you seem to hate
>me, what have I done
>do, you? You call
>me stupid, yet have you
>seen any of my work?

No, I said your defnition in light of all else evidence was stupid. It would be like going outside and saying the sky is chartreuse, despite having perfectly functioning eyes. QPS101 bullshit aside, with facts in plain view, and going contrary to all given and possible evidence, that is stupidity.

On one point, it could have been called ignorance, but not any longer.

> Do you know my
>life? I made one
>mistake (which was not even
>a mistake) and you call
>me stupid, with that People
>Against Stupidity Stuff. That
>is insulting.

No, it was a sarcastic point that you were still in left field, and couldn't be excused as "ignorant" anymore.

>Two, why
>will you not answer my
>question, Why don't we give
>this game a chance?

Because of...shit games, it leads one to be a skeptic. Years of computer gaming, and running into over-hyped bullshit like Final Fantasy 7&8 (and on), does tend to make someone pessimistic until they see it. So just because it has the name of Fallout, does not mean I would buy it.

It's better to be skeptical and be pleasantly suprised, than continually optimistic and dissapointed.
 
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON May-23-00 AT 00:52AM (GMT)[p]>(snip QPS101 bs)
>
>Are we dealing with Quantum Physics?
>

Actually I was making an analogy. And I stated that as a evidence that I was not making it up, I was not trying to bring this into a quantum physics into this, ah...conversation I was mereley making an analogy and saud the Quantum Physics thing in defense.
>
>No, so you can set that
>bullshit aside until we actually
>do get to something to
>which that kind of thinking
>is relevent.
>
>Welcome back to reality.
Which reality? yours? I'm sorry I rather stay in mine.
>First you tote out a dictionary,
>then come in with a
>QPS101 lesson.
>
>Get a grip.
>
>> Now then I
>>see we've degraded to insulting
>>me, that's not good.
>
>Not really.
>I was explaining the way you
>said that cross-genre and hybrid
>were the same. I
>corrected it.
>That would assume that you have
>*ignorance* on how Cross-Genre and
>Hybrid are different as pertaining
>to the discussion.

>You still persisted in claiming your
>definition of a gaming term
>to be correct, despite the
>not only obvious, but also
>common use on the term.

Common use matters not, I belive it to be right and it is right. It is all of you who are wrong because your opinion does not conincide with mine, and you think I am wrong because my opinion does not conicide with yours
>
>I'm talking apples here, and discussing
>
>various things about them. You
>then go off talking about
>oranges and insiting that's the
>correct point of discussion.
>Then when I correct you
>by saying that I'm talking
>about apples,
>you say that
>they are both fruit, so
>you are correct by talking
>about another fruit.
I am though, they are both fruit, like our opinions are both opnions. Your opinions are the apples, mine the oranges. I am correct in talking of my opinions, and you yours. although you belive I am wrong in talking of my opinions and I belive you are wrong in talking of yours, because I do not belive them to be the truth, and you do not see mine to be the truth.
>See the parallel?
>
>If I talk about Cross-Genre and
>Hybrid as two different entities,
>then deductive logic would conclude
>that the meaning of Cross-Genre
>would not be the exact
>same one used for Hybrid.
> For you to continue
>insisting that they are one
>and the same, despite the
>commonly-used definitions as pertaining to
>the discussion and despite the
>phrasology of "cross-genre movement", is
>*stupidity*.
I understand that they are not EXACTLY the same, but generally they can be.
>"cross-genre movement", would make most hairless
>apes conclude that the meaning
>of "cross" would be the
>one like "crossing a bridge".

Apes belong to Primate family Humans to the Homindae family.
>
>Though, I could be wrong.
>
>>But then again I have
>>questions for you. One, Why
>>do you seem to hate
>>me, what have I done
>>do, you? You call
>>me stupid, yet have you
>>seen any of my work?
>
>No, I said your defnition in
>light of all else evidence
>was stupid. It would
>be like going outside and
>saying the sky is chartreuse,
>despite having perfectly functioning eyes.
> QPS101 bullshit aside, with
>facts in plain view, and
>going contrary to all given
>and possible evidence, that is
>stupidity.
The sky could be chartreuse, If I belive it to be.
And my definition could be right if I belive it to be.
>On one point, it could have
>been called ignorance, but not
>any longer.
>
>> Do you know my
>>life? I made one
>>mistake (which was not even
>>a mistake) and you call
>>me stupid, with that People
>>Against Stupidity Stuff. That
>>is insulting.
>
>No, it was a sarcastic point
>that you were still in
>left field, and couldn't be
>excused as "ignorant" anymore.
Actually stupidity is a branch of ignorance, stupid is the quality of having a lack of intellegence, and lack of intellengence is also Ignorance. Ignorance is the ultimate evil.
>>Two, why
>>will you not answer my
>>question, Why don't we give
>>this game a chance?
>
>Because of...shit games, it leads one
>to be a skeptic.
>Years of computer gaming, and
>running into over-hyped bullshit like
>Final Fantasy 7&8 (and on),
>does tend to make someone
>pessimistic until they see it.
> So just because it
>has the name of Fallout,
>does not mean I would
>buy it.
So you are not even going to give it a chance? (Shakes Head) I am truly suprised.
>It's better to be skeptical and
>be pleasantly suprised, than continually
>optimistic and dissapointed.
A skeptic is one who disaggres with the generally accepted conclusion, and one who doubts everything or you belong to a school of greek philsophy (which I doubt), You are not a skeptic because you are not going against the genreally accepted conclusion, and you do not dobt anything. Whereas a pessimist is one who stresses the negative or unfavorable view or one who takes the gloomiest view possible, also a person who espects the worst. You, my worthy opponent, are not disaggreing with the generally acctpted conclusion (there is no GENERALLY accepted conclusion is this case) you, my worthy opponent, are expecting the worst and are stressing a unfavorable and negative view (that the game will be horrible). You, my worthy opponent, are a pessimist. Please do not take offense.
 
*Sigh*

>>You still persisted in claiming your
>>definition of a gaming term
>>to be correct, despite the
>>not only obvious, but also
>>common use on the term.
>
>Common use matters not, I belive
>it to be right and
>it is right. It
>is all of you who
>are wrong because your opinion
>does not conincide with mine,
>and you think I am
>wrong because my opinion does
>not conicide with yours

So technically you can make any word fit *your* definition and you will be right. As proven to MatuX about "hackers" a few weeks before, common use ALWAYS takes prededance. Whether or not you choose to walk out of your virtual world and accept reality is up to you, that is, unless you are ignorant of the more common meaning.

>>I'm talking apples here, and discussing
>>
>>various things about them. You
>>then go off talking about
>>oranges and insiting that's the
>>correct point of discussion.


>Then when I correct you
>by saying that I'm talking
>about apples,
>you say that
>they are both fruit, so
>you are correct by talking
>about another fruit.
>I am though, they are both
>fruit, like our opinions are
>both opnions. Your opinions
>are the apples, mine the
>oranges. I am correct
>in talking of my opinions,
>and you yours. although you
>belive I am wrong in
>talking of my opinions and
>I belive you are wrong
>in talking of yours, because
>I do not belive them
>to be the truth, and
>you do not see mine
>to be the truth.

I really hate it when people get caught up in the idea that their opinion is sacred. It is one thing to HOLD an opinion, yeah, everyone can do that, it is another to put it forth for public scrutiny.

By even writing your message you have given anyone who reads it a right to contest and/or agree to it. That's the whole point of discussion boards. Don't feel that we should or need to respect your opinion, we don't. If you don't want your opinion argued or ripped apart, don't state it.

>>See the parallel?
>>
>>If I talk about Cross-Genre and
>>Hybrid as two different entities,
>>then deductive logic would conclude
>>that the meaning of Cross-Genre
>>would not be the exact
>>same one used for Hybrid.
>> For you to continue
>>insisting that they are one
>>and the same, despite the
>>commonly-used definitions as pertaining to
>>the discussion and despite the
>>phrasology of "cross-genre movement", is
>>*stupidity*.
>I understand that they are not
>EXACTLY the same, but generally
>they can be.
>>"cross-genre movement", would make most hairless
>>apes conclude that the meaning
>>of "cross" would be the
>>one like "crossing a bridge".
>
>Apes belong to Primate family Humans
>to the Homindae family.

And that relates to the topic how..? It's not impressive if you didn't realize that.

>>Though, I could be wrong.
>>
>>>But then again I have
>>>questions for you. One, Why
>>>do you seem to hate
>>>me, what have I done
>>>do, you? You call
>>>me stupid, yet have you
>>>seen any of my work?
>>
>>No, I said your defnition in
>>light of all else evidence
>>was stupid. It would
>>be like going outside and
>>saying the sky is chartreuse,
>>despite having perfectly functioning eyes.
>> QPS101 bullshit aside, with
>>facts in plain view, and
>>going contrary to all given
>>and possible evidence, that is
>>stupidity.
>The sky could be chartreuse, If
>I belive it to be.
>
>And my definition could be right
>if I belive it to
>be.

And you could also believe that you're actually the son of a mermaid and the Loch Ness monster. In both cases you'd be called a moron.

You can make up whatever you want in your dreamworld and you'd still be wrong.

>>No, it was a sarcastic point
>>that you were still in
>>left field, and couldn't be
>>excused as "ignorant" anymore.

>Actually stupidity is a branch of
>ignorance, stupid is the quality
>of having a lack of
>intellegence, and lack of intellengence
>is also Ignorance. Ignorance
>is the ultimate evil.

*Knocks on Skynet's head*

No it isn't stupid.

Ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge. It does not involve intelligence but rather experience.

Stupidity is a willingness to be ignorant and/or act in such ways opposing better judgement.

Ignorance is not evil. You for instance are probably ignorant of the fact that I am listening to the "Cantique de Jean Racine" by Faure.

>>>Two, why
>>>will you not answer my
>>>question, Why don't we give
>>>this game a chance?
>>
>>Because of...shit games, it leads one
>>to be a skeptic.
>>Years of computer gaming, and
>>running into over-hyped bullshit like
>>Final Fantasy 7&8 (and on),
>>does tend to make someone
>>pessimistic until they see it.
>> So just because it
>>has the name of Fallout,
>>does not mean I would
>>buy it.

>So you are not even going
>to give it a chance?
> (Shakes Head) I am
>truly suprised.

Did he state that? No he did not. He is merely stating that he doesn't buy products simply for the fact that it has a product name slapped on it. As my English teacher says: "Tie it to the text."

>>It's better to be skeptical and
>>be pleasantly suprised, than continually
>>optimistic and dissapointed.

>A skeptic is one who disaggres
>with the generally accepted conclusion,
>and one who doubts everything
>or you belong to a
>school of greek philsophy (which
>I doubt), You are
>not a skeptic because you
>are not going against the
>genreally accepted conclusion, and you
>do not dobt anything.
>Whereas a pessimist is one
>who stresses the negative or
>unfavorable view or one who
>takes the gloomiest view possible,
>also a person who espects
>the worst. You, my
>worthy opponent, are not disaggreing
>with the generally acctpted conclusion
>(there is no GENERALLY accepted
>conclusion is this case)
>you, my worthy opponent, are
>expecting the worst and are
>stressing a unfavorable and negative
>view (that the game will
>be horrible). You, my
>worthy opponent, are a pessimist.
> Please do
>not take offense.

He most certainly is skeptical. From what other's have said about how FOT:BOS will be a quality game, that it will fit right into the Fallout lineup, etc. He is skeptical that the product will meet expectations stated.

He is also pessimistic because he predicts a worse than expected outcome for this game.

Skepticism is to not give yourself wholeheartedly to a certain outcome. It is holding back because of the fear that the outcome is too good to be true.

Pessimism is predicting that the outcome will be worse than what is expected.

Now try to keep your unnecessarily complicated definitions to yourself.

-Xotor-

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RE: *Sigh*

>>>You still persisted in claiming your
>>>definition of a gaming term
>>>to be correct, despite the
>>>not only obvious, but also
>>>common use on the term.

>>Common use matters not, I belive
>>it to be right and
>>it is right. It
>>is all of you who
>>are wrong because your opinion
>>does not conincide with mine,
>>and you think I am
>>wrong because my opinion does
>>not conicide with yours
>
>So technically you can make any
>word fit *your* definition and
>you will be right.
>As proven to MatuX about
>"hackers" a few weeks before,
>common use ALWAYS takes prededance.
> Whether or not you
>choose to walk out of
>your virtual world and accept
>reality is up to you,
>that is, unless you are
>ignorant of the more common
>meaning.
Yeah so, whats the problem there? Now why does Common use take Precidence?
>>>I'm talking apples here, and discussing
>>>
>>>various things about them. You
>>>then go off talking about
>>>oranges and insiting that's the
>>>correct point of discussion.
>
>
>>Then when I correct you
>>by saying that I'm talking
>>about apples,
>>you say that
>>they are both fruit, so
>>you are correct by talking
>>about another fruit.
>>I am though, they are both
>>fruit, like our opinions are
>>both opnions. Your opinions
>>are the apples, mine the
>>oranges. I am correct
>>in talking of my opinions,
>>and you yours. although you
>>belive I am wrong in
>>talking of my opinions and
>>I belive you are wrong
>>in talking of yours, because
>>I do not belive them
>>to be the truth, and
>>you do not see mine
>>to be the truth.
>
>I really hate it when people
>get caught up in the
>idea that their opinion is
>sacred. It is one
>thing to HOLD an opinion,
>yeah, everyone can do that,
>it is another to put
>it forth for public scrutiny.
I do not belive my opinion is sacred I belive it is the truth, and you belive yours is the truth.
>
>By even writing your message you
>have given anyone who reads
>it a right to contest
>and/or agree to it.
>That's the whole point of
>discussion boards. Don't feel
>that we should or need
>to respect your opinion, we
>don't. If you don't
>want your opinion argued or
>ripped apart, don't state it.
I don't really care what you think, I know I am putting my opinion up to Mangled, ripped, teared, and virtully blowen apart, and how much do I care: NIL, if I cared I would not be here
>>>See the parallel?
>>>
>>>If I talk about Cross-Genre and
>>>Hybrid as two different entities,
>>>then deductive logic would conclude
>>>that the meaning of Cross-Genre
>>>would not be the exact
>>>same one used for Hybrid.
>>> For you to continue
>>>insisting that they are one
>>>and the same, despite the
>>>commonly-used definitions as pertaining to
>>>the discussion and despite the
>>>phrasology of "cross-genre movement", is
>>>*stupidity*.
>>I understand that they are not
>>EXACTLY the same, but generally
>>they can be.
>>>"cross-genre movement", would make most hairless
>>>apes conclude that the meaning
>>>of "cross" would be the
>>>one like "crossing a bridge".
>>
>>Apes belong to Primate family Humans
>>to the Homindae family.
>
>And that relates to the topic
>how..? It's not impressive
>if you didn't realize that.
Just being Ludicrous
>>>Though, I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>>But then again I have
>>>>questions for you. One, Why
>>>>do you seem to hate
>>>>me, what have I done
>>>>do, you? You call
>>>>me stupid, yet have you
>>>>seen any of my work?
>>>
>>>No, I said your defnition in
>>>light of all else evidence
>>>was stupid. It would
>>>be like going outside and
>>>saying the sky is chartreuse,
>>>despite having perfectly functioning eyes.
>>> QPS101 bullshit aside, with
>>>facts in plain view, and
>>>going contrary to all given
>>>and possible evidence, that is
>>>stupidity.
>>The sky could be chartreuse, If
>>I belive it to be.
>>
>>And my definition could be right
>>if I belive it to
>>be.
>
>And you could also believe that
>you're actually the son of
>a mermaid and the Loch
>Ness monster. In both
>cases you'd be called a
>moron.
I you want to belive that, fine. Although I don't, you stay in your reality, and I'll stay in mine.
>You can make up whatever you
>want in your dreamworld and
>you'd still be wrong.
Why would I be wrong? IF I decided to belive it it would be right. We all have a different view of reality, no one has the same view of it, we all look from different perspectives, what you call my "dream world" is merely my perspective of reality.
>>>No, it was a sarcastic point
>>>that you were still in
>>>left field, and couldn't be
>>>excused as "ignorant" anymore.
>
>>Actually stupidity is a branch of
>>ignorance, stupid is the quality
>>of having a lack of
>>intellegence, and lack of intellengence
>>is also Ignorance. Ignorance
>>is the ultimate evil.
>
>*Knocks on Skynet's head*
>
>No it isn't stupid.
>
>Ignorance is simply a lack of
>knowledge. It does not
>involve intelligence but rather experience.
>
>
>Stupidity is a willingness to be
>ignorant and/or act in such
>ways opposing better judgement.
A willingness, to be Ignorant, It is ignorant. Anyone who is willing to be ignorant IS ignorant.
>Ignorance is not evil. You
>for instance are probably ignorant
>of the fact that I
>am listening to the "Cantique
>de Jean Racine" by Faure.
Yes I am, but that does not mean it cannot be evil, Ignorance blocks Knowledge and Knowledge is pure, whereas the thing that blocks it is evil (metaphorically).Everything except God is Ignorant, and God is pure and therefore not ignorant. Ignorance is simply to great and Advesary to destroy, or even TRY to fight now. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT, I AM MERELY ANSWERING HIS ARGUEMENT.
>>>>Two, why
>>>>will you not answer my
>>>>question, Why don't we give
>>>>this game a chance?
>>>
>>>Because of...shit games, it leads one
>>>to be a skeptic.
>>>Years of computer gaming, and
>>>running into over-hyped bullshit like
>>>Final Fantasy 7&8 (and on),
>>>does tend to make someone
>>>pessimistic until they see it.
>>> So just because it
>>>has the name of Fallout,
>>>does not mean I would
>>>buy it.
>
>>So you are not even going
>>to give it a chance?
>> (Shakes Head) I am
>>truly suprised.
>
>Did he state that? No
>he did not. He
>is merely stating that he
>doesn't buy products simply for
>the fact that it has
>a product name slapped on
>it. As my English
>teacher says: "Tie it to
>the text."
I was infering, I asked why don't we give it a chance and He gave a negative answer so I inferred my answer from the facts stated.
>>>It's better to be skeptical and
>>>be pleasantly suprised, than continually
>>>optimistic and dissapointed.
>
>>A skeptic is one who disaggres
>>with the generally accepted conclusion,
>>and one who doubts everything
>>or you belong to a
>>school of greek philsophy (which
>>I doubt), You are
>>not a skeptic because you
>>are not going against the
>>genreally accepted conclusion, and you
>>do not dobt anything.
>>Whereas a pessimist is one
>>who stresses the negative or
>>unfavorable view or one who
>>takes the gloomiest view possible,
>>also a person who espects
>>the worst. You, my
>>worthy opponent, are not disaggreing
>>with the generally acctpted conclusion
>>(there is no GENERALLY accepted
>>conclusion is this case)
>>you, my worthy opponent, are
>>expecting the worst and are
>>stressing a unfavorable and negative
>>view (that the game will
>>be horrible). You, my
>>worthy opponent, are a pessimist.
>> Please do
>>not take offense.
>
>He most certainly is skeptical.
>From what other's have said
>about how FOT:BOS will be
>a quality game, that it
>will fit right into the
>Fallout lineup, etc. He
>is skeptical that the product
>will meet expectations stated.

Give me proof of this generally accepted conclusion, I see most are split b/t either side and there is no GENERALLY accepted conclusion. Give me hard evidnece and I will belive you.

>He is also pessimistic because he
>predicts a worse than expected
>outcome for this game.
>
>Skepticism is to not give yourself
>wholeheartedly to a certain outcome.
> It is holding back
>because of the fear that
>the outcome is too good
>to be true.
I am guessing here, but I belive that is actually Neutralism, To not give wholeheartlty to either side, or a certain outcome, to remain in the middle, just waiting. You cannot be a Neutral Pessimist, becasue them you have an opinion, or a Neutral Optimist, you have an opinion still. >Pessimism is predicting that the outcome
>will be worse than what
>is expected.
>
>Now try to keep your unnecessarily
>complicated definitions to yourself.

Why? Whats wrong with complicated definitions, they help me support my arguement.

Now my question for you (a simple yes or no, you can Have an explination but at least put Yes or No as a clear answer), Xotor is: Are you going to give this game a chance?
>-Xotor-
>
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RE: *Sigh*

>>>You still persisted in claiming your
>>>definition of a gaming term
>>>to be correct, despite the
>>>not only obvious, but also
>>>common use on the term.

>>Common use matters not, I belive
>>it to be right and
>>it is right. It
>>is all of you who
>>are wrong because your opinion
>>does not conincide with mine,
>>and you think I am
>>wrong because my opinion does
>>not conicide with yours
>
>So technically you can make any
>word fit *your* definition and
>you will be right.
>As proven to MatuX about
>"hackers" a few weeks before,
>common use ALWAYS takes prededance.
> Whether or not you
>choose to walk out of
>your virtual world and accept
>reality is up to you,
>that is, unless you are
>ignorant of the more common
>meaning.
Yeah so, whats the problem there? Now why does Common use take Precidence?
>>>I'm talking apples here, and discussing
>>>
>>>various things about them. You
>>>then go off talking about
>>>oranges and insiting that's the
>>>correct point of discussion.
>
>
>>Then when I correct you
>>by saying that I'm talking
>>about apples,
>>you say that
>>they are both fruit, so
>>you are correct by talking
>>about another fruit.
>>I am though, they are both
>>fruit, like our opinions are
>>both opnions. Your opinions
>>are the apples, mine the
>>oranges. I am correct
>>in talking of my opinions,
>>and you yours. although you
>>belive I am wrong in
>>talking of my opinions and
>>I belive you are wrong
>>in talking of yours, because
>>I do not belive them
>>to be the truth, and
>>you do not see mine
>>to be the truth.
>
>I really hate it when people
>get caught up in the
>idea that their opinion is
>sacred. It is one
>thing to HOLD an opinion,
>yeah, everyone can do that,
>it is another to put
>it forth for public scrutiny.
I do not belive my opinion is sacred I belive it is the truth, and you belive yours is the truth.
>
>By even writing your message you
>have given anyone who reads
>it a right to contest
>and/or agree to it.
>That's the whole point of
>discussion boards. Don't feel
>that we should or need
>to respect your opinion, we
>don't. If you don't
>want your opinion argued or
>ripped apart, don't state it.
I don't really care what you think, I know I am putting my opinion up to Mangled, ripped, teared, and virtully blowen apart, and how much do I care: NIL, if I cared I would not be here
>>>See the parallel?
>>>
>>>If I talk about Cross-Genre and
>>>Hybrid as two different entities,
>>>then deductive logic would conclude
>>>that the meaning of Cross-Genre
>>>would not be the exact
>>>same one used for Hybrid.
>>> For you to continue
>>>insisting that they are one
>>>and the same, despite the
>>>commonly-used definitions as pertaining to
>>>the discussion and despite the
>>>phrasology of "cross-genre movement", is
>>>*stupidity*.
>>I understand that they are not
>>EXACTLY the same, but generally
>>they can be.
>>>"cross-genre movement", would make most hairless
>>>apes conclude that the meaning
>>>of "cross" would be the
>>>one like "crossing a bridge".
>>
>>Apes belong to Primate family Humans
>>to the Homindae family.
>
>And that relates to the topic
>how..? It's not impressive
>if you didn't realize that.
Just being Ludicrous
>>>Though, I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>>But then again I have
>>>>questions for you. One, Why
>>>>do you seem to hate
>>>>me, what have I done
>>>>do, you? You call
>>>>me stupid, yet have you
>>>>seen any of my work?
>>>
>>>No, I said your defnition in
>>>light of all else evidence
>>>was stupid. It would
>>>be like going outside and
>>>saying the sky is chartreuse,
>>>despite having perfectly functioning eyes.
>>> QPS101 bullshit aside, with
>>>facts in plain view, and
>>>going contrary to all given
>>>and possible evidence, that is
>>>stupidity.
>>The sky could be chartreuse, If
>>I belive it to be.
>>
>>And my definition could be right
>>if I belive it to
>>be.
>
>And you could also believe that
>you're actually the son of
>a mermaid and the Loch
>Ness monster. In both
>cases you'd be called a
>moron.
I you want to belive that, fine. Although I don't, you stay in your reality, and I'll stay in mine.
>You can make up whatever you
>want in your dreamworld and
>you'd still be wrong.
Why would I be wrong? IF I decided to belive it it would be right. We all have a different view of reality, no one has the same view of it, we all look from different perspectives, what you call my "dream world" is merely my perspective of reality.
>>>No, it was a sarcastic point
>>>that you were still in
>>>left field, and couldn't be
>>>excused as "ignorant" anymore.
>
>>Actually stupidity is a branch of
>>ignorance, stupid is the quality
>>of having a lack of
>>intellegence, and lack of intellengence
>>is also Ignorance. Ignorance
>>is the ultimate evil.
>
>*Knocks on Skynet's head*
>
>No it isn't stupid.
>
>Ignorance is simply a lack of
>knowledge. It does not
>involve intelligence but rather experience.
>
>
>Stupidity is a willingness to be
>ignorant and/or act in such
>ways opposing better judgement.
A willingness, to be Ignorant, It is ignorant. Anyone who is willing to be ignorant IS ignorant.
>Ignorance is not evil. You
>for instance are probably ignorant
>of the fact that I
>am listening to the "Cantique
>de Jean Racine" by Faure.
Yes I am, but that does not mean it cannot be evil, Ignorance blocks Knowledge and Knowledge is pure, whereas the thing that blocks it is evil (metaphorically).Everything except God is Ignorant, and God is pure and therefore not ignorant. Ignorance is simply to great and Advesary to destroy, or even TRY to fight now. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT, I AM MERELY ANSWERING HIS ARGUEMENT.
>>>>Two, why
>>>>will you not answer my
>>>>question, Why don't we give
>>>>this game a chance?
>>>
>>>Because of...shit games, it leads one
>>>to be a skeptic.
>>>Years of computer gaming, and
>>>running into over-hyped bullshit like
>>>Final Fantasy 7&8 (and on),
>>>does tend to make someone
>>>pessimistic until they see it.
>>> So just because it
>>>has the name of Fallout,
>>>does not mean I would
>>>buy it.
>
>>So you are not even going
>>to give it a chance?
>> (Shakes Head) I am
>>truly suprised.
>
>Did he state that? No
>he did not. He
>is merely stating that he
>doesn't buy products simply for
>the fact that it has
>a product name slapped on
>it. As my English
>teacher says: "Tie it to
>the text."
I was infering, I asked why don't we give it a chance and He gave a negative answer so I inferred my answer from the facts stated.
>>>It's better to be skeptical and
>>>be pleasantly suprised, than continually
>>>optimistic and dissapointed.
>
>>A skeptic is one who disaggres
>>with the generally accepted conclusion,
>>and one who doubts everything
>>or you belong to a
>>school of greek philsophy (which
>>I doubt), You are
>>not a skeptic because you
>>are not going against the
>>genreally accepted conclusion, and you
>>do not dobt anything.
>>Whereas a pessimist is one
>>who stresses the negative or
>>unfavorable view or one who
>>takes the gloomiest view possible,
>>also a person who espects
>>the worst. You, my
>>worthy opponent, are not disaggreing
>>with the generally acctpted conclusion
>>(there is no GENERALLY accepted
>>conclusion is this case)
>>you, my worthy opponent, are
>>expecting the worst and are
>>stressing a unfavorable and negative
>>view (that the game will
>>be horrible). You, my
>>worthy opponent, are a pessimist.
>> Please do
>>not take offense.
>
>He most certainly is skeptical.
>From what other's have said
>about how FOT:BOS will be
>a quality game, that it
>will fit right into the
>Fallout lineup, etc. He
>is skeptical that the product
>will meet expectations stated.

Give me proof of this generally accepted conclusion, I see most are split b/t either side and there is no GENERALLY accepted conclusion. Give me hard evidnece and I will belive you.

>He is also pessimistic because he
>predicts a worse than expected
>outcome for this game.
>
>Skepticism is to not give yourself
>wholeheartedly to a certain outcome.
> It is holding back
>because of the fear that
>the outcome is too good
>to be true.
I am guessing here, but I belive that is actually Neutralism, To not give wholeheartlty to either side, or a certain outcome, to remain in the middle, just waiting. You cannot be a Neutral Pessimist, becasue them you have an opinion, or a Neutral Optimist, you have an opinion still. >Pessimism is predicting that the outcome
>will be worse than what
>is expected.
>
>Now try to keep your unnecessarily
>complicated definitions to yourself.

Why? Whats wrong with complicated definitions, they help me support my arguement.

Now my question for you (a simple yes or no, you can Have an explination but at least put Yes or No as a clear answer), Xotor is: Are you going to give this game a chance?
>-Xotor-
>
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Maybe the problem isn't reality, truths, or opinions...maybe the problem is your circular logic and long-winded posts? This post seems to go nowhere, and it sounds like your babbling... The fact that you are using direct definitions from a dictionary to prove your point - makes me think you will go to any lengths to prove you are right. I know, I've been there, the dictionary is generally a last resort.

It's common knowledge that a hybrid is a mixing of 2 or more genres. A cross-genre, is a game originate in one genre, then having a later game (same universe) created in another genre. I think are are confusing cross & mix. I could see a hybrid being considered a mix-genre.

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Of course I'll do and use things to prove my point, there is nothing wrong with that, how else am I going to argue, sit idly by and hope that the computer will Argue for me? and if so called "circular logic" and "long-winded" posts are the best way to prove my point, then so be it. Now then the Dictionary is not a last resort, the thing a person does when he is losing an arguement is: Insult the other person, he takes it to a personal level, thats how you know you've won.
So let me get this straight, you see only problems with my logic? When I made the first post, I was not looking to get into an arguement, Why do you see problems with only my post? Why, Why Why? Oh, my last question: Are you going to give this game a chance?


"Companions the Creator seeks, not corpses not herds, and belivers. Fellow Creators the Creator seek--Those who will write new values on new tablets. Companions the Creator seeks, and fellow Harvesters, for everything about him is ripe for the Picking."

Fredrich Nietzche
"Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

Skynet Security Systems Logging Off....
 
RE: Septerra Core & FF.

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON May-23-00 AT 04:25PM (GMT)[p]All right you can belive what you want to, but If you wish to know my opinion in this matter, I liked the way they were developed and drawen.
 
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