Current state of things and solution regarding Fallout

[Corvega]

Hey Mr Corvega what are you plans for this project of yours

Gather a few people 10-20 who would want to start a kickstarter, gather some resources and develop a worthy sequel to Fallout 2.

Yeah I read from here "NMA, it is time to save Fallout." and down to the end of the thread post. OP, what specifically is it that you're asking for?

Your attitude is of an immature child and your hostility can only be measured with Bethesda's inability. Your failure to deduce basic sarcasm is only surpassed by Bethesda's definiton of sarcasm.

Simply walk along and spit your poison on the other areas of this forum if you are not capable of productive thoughts.

To be fair, I didn't see any reference either. You are terrible at sarcasm. I also saw your little TLDR as condescending and smug.

Too much of you guys inflitrated these noble forums and now you spread hate. It was not smug nor condescending. If you fail to see such simple sarcasm, you are definitely enjoying Fallout 4 and there is no point in you even reading this thread, so I do hope I did not waste your time by forcing you to read this.

 

[Minute]

So, anyone enjoying fallout 4 is a dreg in your eyes? Seems someone has a high opinion of himself, best becareful because the fall from your high chair is going to be near fatal if you continue adding planks to pad your bottom.

Just as as I loved ultima, so do I enjoy fallout and that includes the isometric ones and the first person ones. Who are you to dictate anything, when your not even a brick in the wall, but the dust that accumulates in the space in between them.

 

[Corvega]

So, anyone enjoying fallout 4 is a dreg in your eyes? Seems someone has a high opinion of himself, best becareful because the fall from your high chair is going to be near fatal if you continue adding planks to pad your bottom.

Just as as I loved ultima, so do I enjoy fallout and that includes the isometric ones and the first person ones. Who are you to dictate anything, when your not even a brick in the wall, but the dust that accumulates in the space in between them.

How do you manage to convert the hate and dirt you shove on your keyboard to binary data that ends up on this forum?

If you would be capable to read OP you would notice that I completely understand people can enjoy this game.

 

[Minute]

Teapot calling the kettle black, no?
You claim to understand individuals who enjoy the first person fallout games, yet you spew vitriol at them and think you yourself know what is best for fallout, when you'd likely just construct a mediocre wasteland clone if you even got past the planning stages, which would require you to actually be a productive and useful individual.

 

[Mr Fish]

Yeah I read from here "NMA, it is time to save Fallout." and down to the end of the thread post. OP, what specifically is it that you're asking for?

Your attitude is of an immature child and your hostility can only be measured with Bethesda's inability. Your failure to deduce basic sarcasm is only surpassed by Bethesda's definiton of sarcasm.

Simply walk along and spit your poison on the other areas of this forum if you are not capable of productive thoughts.

I'm immature for doing what exactly? Being irritated by your use of the TLDR? Pointing out how I fail to see it as a "reference"? And hostile? I'm not hostile at all. When you fuck up I'll call you out on it but I wouldn't consider that being "hostile". Besides, I did read part of your post in the end but I still don't see what you're asking for, which is why I asked what you "specifically" were asking for. How the fuck is that hostile? My tone is aggressive, sure, that ain't "hostile" tho'. I swear a lot, sure, that ain't "hostile" tho'.

Again, I'm genuinely asking you here; What are you 'specifically' asking for? You made that huge fucking post, right? So it had to be for a reason, what was that reason? What are you asking out of us here? To me, your post(s) is/are coming across as very vague and so I have no idea what you really want. If you want a discussion to move forward you're going to have to give us some meat to bite into.

Either elaborate or stop hurling insults my way.

 

[Corvega]

Yeah I read from here "NMA, it is time to save Fallout." and down to the end of the thread post. OP, what specifically is it that you're asking for?

Your attitude is of an immature child and your hostility can only be measured with Bethesda's inability. Your failure to deduce basic sarcasm is only surpassed by Bethesda's definiton of sarcasm.

Simply walk along and spit your poison on the other areas of this forum if you are not capable of productive thoughts.

I'm immature for doing what exactly? Being irritated by your use of the TLDR? Pointing out how I fail to see it as a "reference"? And hostile? I'm not hostile at all. When you fuck up I'll call you out on it but I wouldn't consider that being "hostile". Besides, I did read part of your post in the end but I still don't see what you're asking for, which is why I asked what you "specifically" were asking for. How the fuck is that hostile? My tone is aggressive, sure, that ain't "hostile" tho'. I swear a lot, sure, that ain't "hostile" tho'.

Again, I'm genuinely asking you here; What are you 'specifically' asking for? You made that huge fucking post, right? So it had to be for a reason, what was that reason? What are you asking out of us here? To me, your post(s) is/are coming across as very vague and so I have no idea what you really want. If you want a discussion to move forward you're going to have to give us some meat to bite into.

Either elaborate or stop hurling insults my way.

I wrote that I want to establish a team of like-minded individuals and work on a new Fallout game using Unity engine or other free game engine. I am sure a group of motivated people can surpass a greedy studio and develop a better game. Honestly, at current state of Fallout, I would not even find it challenging past learning how engine works programming wise and creating nice models and textures.

 

[Mr Fish]

Yeah I read from here "NMA, it is time to save Fallout." and down to the end of the thread post. OP, what specifically is it that you're asking for?

Your attitude is of an immature child and your hostility can only be measured with Bethesda's inability. Your failure to deduce basic sarcasm is only surpassed by Bethesda's definiton of sarcasm.

Simply walk along and spit your poison on the other areas of this forum if you are not capable of productive thoughts.

I'm immature for doing what exactly? Being irritated by your use of the TLDR? Pointing out how I fail to see it as a "reference"? And hostile? I'm not hostile at all. When you fuck up I'll call you out on it but I wouldn't consider that being "hostile". Besides, I did read part of your post in the end but I still don't see what you're asking for, which is why I asked what you "specifically" were asking for. How the fuck is that hostile? My tone is aggressive, sure, that ain't "hostile" tho'. I swear a lot, sure, that ain't "hostile" tho'.

Again, I'm genuinely asking you here; What are you 'specifically' asking for? You made that huge fucking post, right? So it had to be for a reason, what was that reason? What are you asking out of us here? To me, your post(s) is/are coming across as very vague and so I have no idea what you really want. If you want a discussion to move forward you're going to have to give us some meat to bite into.

Either elaborate or stop hurling insults my way.

I wrote that I want to establish a team of like-minded individuals and work on a new Fallout game using Unity engine or other free game engine. I am sure a group of motivated people can surpass a greedy studio and develop a better game. Honestly, at current state of Fallout, I would not even find it challenging past learning how engine works programming wise and creating nice models and textures.

Honestly, it's easier said than done. I'd try to figure out a way to mod Wasteland 2 or Underrail or even use whatever modkit the ones behind the fan-made Van Buren are using to create a Fallout game as a lot of core mechanics and stuff are already present in them, all you'd need to do is tweak around a bunch of stuff. Like change CLASSIC into SPECIAL if you were to total conversion mod Wasteland 2. Thing about it is that we have others who are doing big new story mods which are basically entire new games. One is the fan-made Van Buren I mentioned. Instead of trying to create a whole new project, maybe you should consider asking to join one of the projects that are currently in the works to help make them become a reality. Like, help them finish whatever they're working on before we add yet another "work in progress" into the mix.

It's your choice. To me it seems more practical to help the ones already in motion than it is to set a whole new thing in motion.d

 

[archont]

- Piracy is bad because beth's marketing counts that as potential sales. Don't give them the fodder, give them the finger. Buy a boxed version, return it shortly afterwards citing misleading marketing. You thought it was a Fallout RPG, you're gonna say.

I wrote that I want to establish a team of like-minded individuals and work on a new Fallout game using Unity engine or other free game engine. I am sure a group of motivated people can surpass a greedy studio and develop a better game.

- To give you a sense of scale, you'll probably spend more on coffee than engine licensing. You need manpower. Maintaining quality standards and communication remotely is extraordinarily difficult. Doing that for free is nigh impossible. I was on the engine team of a similarly ambitious project that, surprise, failed to even lift off.

I would not even find it challenging past learning how engine works programming wise and creating nice models and textures.

- Lolok. You have two hours. If you don't have a working solution in 8, you will not be doing engine coding.

 

[Mishmash]

this is a real TLDR.
basically zenimax owes fallout's name and rights. even if make you're own Van Buren they'll sue you

TRADEMARK LICENSE AGREEMENT

THIS TRADEMARK LICENSE AGREEMENT (this "AGREEMENT") is made and entered
into as of April 4, 2007 (the "EFFECTIVE DATE") by and between (i) BETHESDA
SOFTWORKS LLC, a Delaware limited liability company, wholly owned by ZeniMax
Media Inc., a Delaware corporation, having its principal place of business
located at 1370 Piccard Drive, Suite 120, Rockville, MD 20850 ("BETHESDA") and
(ii) INTERPLAY ENTERTAINMENT CORP., a Delaware corporation having its principal
place of business located at 100 North Crescent Drive, Suite 324, Beverly Hills,
CA 90210 ("INTERPLAY"). Bethesda and Interplay are collectively referred to
herein as the "PARTIES" or individually as a "PARTY".

RECITALS

A. Bethesda acquired all right, title and interest in the FALLOUT
trademarks specified in Schedule l hereto (collectively the "LICENSED MARKS")
from Interplay under an Asset Purchase Agreement between Bethesda and Interplay,
dated as of April 4, 2007 ("APA").

B. Interplay wishes to use the Licensed Marks solely in connection with
the development and implementation of a Massively Multiplayer Online Game (as
defined below).

C. Bethesda, as the owner of the Licensed Marks, is willing to grant
Interplay a license strictly limited in duration and scope to use the Licensed
Marks in compliance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

 

[Corvega]

Honestly, it's easier said than done. I'd try to figure out a way to mod Wasteland 2 or Underrail or even use whatever modkit the ones behind the fan-made Van Buren are using to create a Fallout game as a lot of core mechanics and stuff are already present in them, all you'd need to do is tweak around a bunch of stuff. Like change CLASSIC into SPECIAL if you were to total conversion mod Wasteland 2. Thing about it is that we have others who are doing big new story mods which are basically entire new games. One is the fan-made Van Buren I mentioned. Instead of trying to create a whole new project, maybe you should consider asking to join one of the projects that are currently in the works to help make them become a reality. Like, help them finish whatever they're working on before we add yet another "work in progress" into the mix.

It's your choice. To me it seems more practical to help the ones already in motion than it is to set a whole new thing in motion.d

I agree with you, but where do I find the information or anything regarding the projects you mentioned. I would like to see a kickstarter or a sub-forum or 3rd party forum where people collaborate and I do expect some support for this community to their community. Engine of Wasteland 2 would be satisfying, I agree on that.

this is a real TLDR.
basically zenimax owes fallout's name and rights. even if make you're own Van Buren they'll sue you

TRADEMARK LICENSE AGREEMENT

THIS TRADEMARK LICENSE AGREEMENT (this "AGREEMENT") is made and entered
into as of April 4, 2007 (the "EFFECTIVE DATE") by and between (i) BETHESDA
SOFTWORKS LLC, a Delaware limited liability company, wholly owned by ZeniMax
Media Inc., a Delaware corporation, having its principal place of business
located at 1370 Piccard Drive, Suite 120, Rockville, MD 20850 ("BETHESDA") and
(ii) INTERPLAY ENTERTAINMENT CORP., a Delaware corporation having its principal
place of business located at 100 North Crescent Drive, Suite 324, Beverly Hills,
CA 90210 ("INTERPLAY"). Bethesda and Interplay are collectively referred to
herein as the "PARTIES" or individually as a "PARTY".

RECITALS

A. Bethesda acquired all right, title and interest in the FALLOUT
trademarks specified in Schedule l hereto (collectively the "LICENSED MARKS")
from Interplay under an Asset Purchase Agreement between Bethesda and Interplay,
dated as of April 4, 2007 ("APA").

B. Interplay wishes to use the Licensed Marks solely in connection with
the development and implementation of a Massively Multiplayer Online Game (as
defined below).

C. Bethesda, as the owner of the Licensed Marks, is willing to grant
Interplay a license strictly limited in duration and scope to use the Licensed
Marks in compliance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

There is no need to use Fallout as a name. The most fitting name would be chosen and marketing campaign would label it as a true successor. All in all, not much marketing would be needed because the aimed consumers are the Interplay's Fallout fans and they mostly reside here. The game would be donation crowdfunded to cover the costs of human work needed to produce it. So no one would become a rich dude, but the community would be pleased as a main goal to deliver satisfying and believable successor.

 

[Hassknecht]

I'd recommend compiling a proper Pen&Paper sourcebook first before diving head first into video game design.
Start with deciding on the rules (GURPS, d20 Modern/Future, BRP, some other AD&D-variant, simplified SPECIAL, homebrew), then write a campaign. Make that sourcebook freely available, gather feedback from people, play it a few times.
I think it's important to develop such a game in physical P&P sessions because P&P is the most unrestricted form of role-playing and will give you the best idea on how a problem can be solved. Mix up the GMs, too.
Then you can go and turn it into a video game and try to translate all your experiences into game code.
Or don't, because it's a lot of fun to play P&P with some friends.

 

[Mr Fish]

Well, the Fallout Van Buren fan project can be contacted through their facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/f3vanburen/?fref=nf

 

[thenightgaunt]

So, anyone enjoying fallout 4 is a dreg in your eyes? Seems someone has a high opinion of himself, best becareful because the fall from your high chair is going to be near fatal if you continue adding planks to pad your bottom.

Just as as I loved ultima, so do I enjoy fallout and that includes the isometric ones and the first person ones. Who are you to dictate anything, when your not even a brick in the wall, but the dust that accumulates in the space in between them.

As they years go by I do feel more and more of the attitude you speak of has infiltrated NMA. It's gotten to the point where I can't come here for an interesting discussion about the franchise or the new games. More and more the site's become a joke to the fan base, which is still growing. Which is a shame because this site held the embers of the fandom for so long while the series languished.

Look at it now. Kotaku posts more Fallout news than NMA now and other sites have started hosting the fans. Heck. I used to hate, HATE redit, but now it's the only real source of fun Fallout related dialogue, arguments and images. That's a cryin' shame.

 

[TorontoReign]

So, anyone enjoying fallout 4 is a dreg in your eyes? Seems someone has a high opinion of himself, best becareful because the fall from your high chair is going to be near fatal if you continue adding planks to pad your bottom.

Just as as I loved ultima, so do I enjoy fallout and that includes the isometric ones and the first person ones. Who are you to dictate anything, when your not even a brick in the wall, but the dust that accumulates in the space in between them.

As they years go by I do feel more and more of the attitude you speak of has infiltrated NMA. It's gotten to the point where I can't come here for an interesting discussion about the franchise or the new games. More and more the site's become a joke to the fan base, which is still growing. Which is a shame because this site held the embers of the fandom for so long while the series languished.

Look at it now. Kotaku posts more Fallout news than NMA now and other sites have started hosting the fans. Heck. I used to hate, HATE redit, but now it's the only real source of fun Fallout related dialogue, arguments and images. That's a cryin' shame.

Yeah, but those sites post somewhat pointless Fallout news usually. Stuff like this:

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4s-syringer-rifle-is-hilarious-1748124821

http://kotaku.com/the-mystery-of-what-fallout-4-hides-underwater-1747942881

http://kotaku.com/heres-the-world-record-for-beating-fallout-4-as-fast-as-1747827676

http://kotaku.com/someone-built-a-giant-at-at-house-in-fallout-4-1747875425


Which I am perfectly fine with posting to the news section but I'm not sure how interested our readers are in those articles.

 

[Aaron Burr]

- Piracy is bad because beth's marketing counts that as potential sales. Don't give them the fodder, give them the finger. Buy a boxed version, return it shortly afterwards citing misleading marketing. You thought it was a Fallout RPG, you're gonna say.

I don't believe FO4's marketing materials ever referred to it as an RPG. All I ever saw was "Open World."

 

[Crni Vuk]

- Piracy is bad because beth's marketing counts that as potential sales. Don't give them the fodder, give them the finger. Buy a boxed version, return it shortly afterwards citing misleading marketing. You thought it was a Fallout RPG, you're gonna say.

I don't believe FO4's marketing materials ever referred to it as an RPG. All I ever saw was "Open World."

Fallout 4 doesn’t shy away from statistics and dice-rolling —it remains an RPG first and foremost, says Howard
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gaming/w...hesda-todd-howard-on-building-the-apocalypse/

I am sure there are more informations out there. The game was marketed as open world RPG and action RPG. There is no doubt about that.

 

[khain]

He has a point about the direct marketing material, though.

I had a look around on the official site of the game, and on Bethesdurr's site, and indeed it doesn't seem to say "RPG" anywhere.

Don't get me wrong, it's still full of misleading marketing speak, but I'm really, really struggling to find an actual mention of RPG or role playing.

 

[thenightgaunt]

Yeah, but those sites post somewhat pointless Fallout news usually. Stuff like this:

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4s-syringer-rifle-is-hilarious-1748124821

http://kotaku.com/the-mystery-of-what-fallout-4-hides-underwater-1747942881

http://kotaku.com/heres-the-world-record-for-beating-fallout-4-as-fast-as-1747827676

http://kotaku.com/someone-built-a-giant-at-at-house-in-fallout-4-1747875425


Which I am perfectly fine with posting to the news section but I'm not sure how interested our readers are in those articles.

Absolutely true. There's a good amount of fluff over there. And the news here on NMA is good, posting the Nexus hack is a HUGE bit of news for PC gamers. When I saw that here I immediately changed my password over there. But it's not keeping up. Some articles that caught my eye over on Kotaku (and I'm mostly using them to compare here) were actually interesting.

http://kotaku.com/hidden-audio-files-seem-to-show-a-cut-and-way-better-1746643448

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4s-diamond-city-has-a-hidden-glitchy-area-1746259833

http://kotaku.com/the-mystery-of-what-fallout-4-hides-underwater-1747942881

And there were a few op-ed pieces that talk about fan disappointment.

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4s-brotherhood-of-steel-are-giant-dicks-1745963953

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4-is-not-the-fallout-fans-fell-in-love-with-1745651992

But it's more the community here that has scared away Fallout fans. It's not that the topics posted on the forums aren't fun or interesting, but there's a certain amount of toxic-ness to them that I know pushes me away.

I'd compare it to having that aunt/uncle on Facebook who you love, but every now and then shares radically out there and kinda creepy political posts that worry you (conservative or liberal, we all have that relative). It doesn't happen all the time, but it's enough that you maybe don't linger too long on his/her feed, and aren't surprised to learn that other family members just selected "hide" so they don't have to see anything he/she posts.

 

[khain]

Synchronicity is a beautiful thing.

A few posts on Kotaku's fluffy articles, and boom, their latest masterpiece of journalism, fresh out of the oven:

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4-companions-ranked-1748307650

It's a thing of beauty.

 

[Askorti]

Here is the definite ranking of Fallout 4 companions, from worst to best.

I wonder what data was this definite ranking based on. I would really like to see the bibliography and references to scientific papers they used as the base of this article.