Current state of things and solution regarding Fallout

Corvega

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Hello NMA,

I've been watching you for a long time now, and the most recent events regarding Fallout have urged me to post here and express my feelings and desires which most of you probably share with me.

TLDR: There is no TLDR, I like to believe I can actually write and I love to write, unlike some people.

So, after long period of waiting Fallout 4 finally came. I watched the trailers, early peeks and what was available.
The moment I saw they are introducing settlements and more advanced crafting, I decided I will piratise the game.
I am not endorsing piratisation, but I do know Bethesda long enough (from Daggerfall) to decide it is not worth to trust them at the way they are operating now (copying modern trends) - and immediatelly buy the game.
I knew that focusing your resources and time on crafting and building is a waste of effort and completely meaningless to Fallout universe. But I also do accept it as it is, because honestly it is not a bad thing.
It is something we all would love - but not as the cake itself, but as a cherry on top.

Fallout 4 failed to be the cake. Bethesda is following a successful trend set by Minecraft and CoD in order to maximise profits.
They do not care about the franchise, but money. This is clear.
Dumbing down the game so everyone can play it without turning on the brain and casually going through this call of duty shooting fps is obviously glorified experience that we, older fans do not understand.
It is clear that this Fallout is a copy of the current game trends of building, mindless shooting and fighting hordes of Zombies until you are swimming in blood and radiation.

Lets take a look back to F3 and FNV. Fallout 3 was a 1st Bethesda's try and in my opinion, even though they made a shit ton of mistakes, me, a die hard Fallout fan was willing to forgive them because they did deliver a fun game regarding they had no experience with Fallout world and it was their 1st attempt.
They also showed some respect towards fans because I do know, that ton of you guys, us - did bash them for those mistakes they did and they did a very humble thing - they let Obsidian do NV. And wow. Obsidian did hell of a job.
It was a valiant effort. Those guys really gave their best shot. The game felt amazing, again I was forgiving and didn't care much about retcons (I did, but I simply wanted to enjoy in the game and I knew Beth has a final say as a publisher.) and mistakes. The Fallout world was again in other developer's hand, they are giving their best shot and they clearly surpassed Beth.
That was good for both fans and Beth and new users. I believe FNV was something that launched and propelled Fallout universe to the mass audience.

But then, to us loyal fans - a knife in the back. We, who have built the game, who have been living marketeers for this game, who probably played for sleepless nights and bored our friends to death about that cool Fallout games and who in majority forgave Beth on their mistakes regarding F3 and FNV got fucking stabbed in the back.

They decided it's time to completely disregard old fans because statistically we are like 5 or maybe 10% of all the "Fallout" fans now.
They decided its MINE OF DUTY time. They want CASH! They completely simplified the game, took out all RPG elements, gave us FPS mode with 3rd person, took out skills, but left out perks which are all mostly bland and completely irrelevant to completing the game, did an awful storytelling, bad writing, awful and completely useless voice acting which I do not understand what are they bragging about (For some reason I believe Sulik was more talkative then majority of F4 buddies), they totally removed replayability from the game and packed it all in with a shitload of bugs where dogs and people fall in floor or fly in vertibirds which are miracoulously crashing in skyscrapers and force us to end every quest the way they want.

I honestly, gave my best to experience this game to the fullest. So after 70 hours of gameplay, solving every quest in the game, except the repeatable ones, I am left out there in the open with nothing smart to do.
Game simply died. I am thinking about rerolling, but then I think, I would be doing all the same things, just with different char.
Then I remember, ohh yea I can play Evil, but then I am breaking the game. The game was so badly composed that I literally broke the game by killing "Father" before I decided to join or not to, killing whole Institute, only to come there 20 minutes later with everyone alive except the "Father". No matter what you do it feels like whatever you do guides you to 1 of 2 or 3 endings with no effort about explaining whats happening with smaller towns and settlement to actually feel good about your accomplishments. Still if I had to rate the game I would decide it give it 5/10 because I am objectional and professional.
I am not bribed nor would allow myself to give this game a 10 like many of the famous reviewers did. They all lost their credibility now and are just lying filth.

And I do understand the Beth fans - glorifying whatever Beth does and defending their trash to the end.
But I do not want to talk about them now. I want to mention how other casual gamers enjoy the game.
I have few colleagues at work who are playing the game and claim to be enjoying it. They are gamers with ton of experience, but not fanboys, they are simple honest realists.
I asked them why do they enjoy the game (F4) and told them how it was in Fallout 2. They both said they enjoy it because it's casual, mindless game.
They are both people who use their brains at work and when they come home they wanna hop onto something easy to relax, they build stuff, they craft a bit of weapons, do a quest or explore 2 locations, 3 hours pass and they are "wow, this game is quite fun, it's already been 3 hours". They enjoy being guided through the game and just enjoy the experience.
And honestly, their experience is not less worthy than ours. Our experience, on the other hand stands behind one and only truth.
When I asked them have they ever played Fallout 2, one said that he did try it after FNV came out, but he didn't complete the trial in Arroyo and simply uninstalled.
I asked him why, and told him it's simple, but he clearly stated: the game seems to complex and interesting, but I don't have time to devote it so I couldn't enjoy it as it was meant. - That statement means a lot to every old Fallout fan.
It is the bringer of truth. And I say old fan, because there are new and old fans. New fans don't know how it was before, hence they are new fans.
We can blame them, but it is not their fault. It is Bethesda that serves them this heartless, soulless abomination called Fallout 4.
It is their greed that they want to fuel by charging 60 eur for the game and 30 eur for the season pass for some obnoxious DLC that will further ruin the game unless they drastically change.
It is also the state of minds these new gamers have. Everyone from music and movie industry is serving them dumbed down simplified content.
School system is designed to dumb people down, and whole media is making sheep out of people.
In a such world, Fallout 4 is a perfect game because it captures that little bit of freedom they lack in real life for them and offers them fun time. I am talking in statistically major numbers.
Older, more mature, self aware and developed persons will like the game if they had not experienced originals, because like I told, the game is fun.
But a real Fallout fan will never accept it as a good game. You can never accept being lied to and treated like a lazy fuck or dumbo.

My colleague who has to listen to my banter has told me that I am stupid. I guess most of us are. I asked him why?
He told me that I'm stupid because the moment the license got sold to Beth Fallout died, but I kept on believing.
He is not even a fan, but he clearly understands that the game has died and it is stupid to expect anything from Bethesda.
It's their license, their rules. Their mine of cash. And he told me to stand up and act if I truly love the game.

NMA, it is time to save Fallout. You are a group of the most devoted Fallout fans to date, devoted to the world that truly was meant to be Fallout.
You have been with Fallout for like forever. Through good and bad. But it's time to end the bad. Corporations are the evil money grinding machines.
A corporation can not and will not define what Fallout is if we do not allow it.

Fallout is not a name - I am certain the authors created a world, characters, the soul of a universe and just gave it the name.
We are able to recreate and develop that universe because we do not need to accept that Fallout is what it's called today.
Bethesda can have it and do whatever they want with it. We need to realize that all our anger is fueled from defending the name of a jewel created in 1998.
And we need to accept it's just a name. The values we stand for are a universe which we can recapture and rename.

We can do it for all the good that exists and all the people who deserve the truth. I want everyone who feels that the change is needed to express his feelings.

I want everyone to start taking part and start acting now - to stop watching Fallout dying. The majority is with us.
We can achieve and capture that legacy and that moment and share it with the world. We won't need to buy "votes and reviews", we will exceed and impress.
It is not hard to surpass a 5.3 by user reviews on Metacritic. It just confirms that this Fallout was ultimate fail and a decisive call to action towards us.

It is time to act now, let us join forces. Let us use all this negative energy that majority of us have against Beth and their zealous fans into creating something of epic proportions.

It is time for NMA to take part, for all of us to join forces, to develop a roadmap and fight against the bad.

Give us your suggestions, your ideas and positive energy to continue the legacy.
 
I find it funny that WE're the one who are called intolerant and close minded when I see how the new fans react to any criticism of their perfect Fallout 3/4.

I think that saying that Beth games are trash is bullshit however. They do what they are trying to do quite well and have their advantages, although what they value in their games is opposed to what we (and Black Isle) value. Are they good sequels to the earlier Fallout? Not in my opinion. Yet, I would classify Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 (I only watched videos) as good games and definetely not agree with the the way you call them soulless and heartless abominations.
 
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The way I see it, it’s just another corporation using the system to their advantage. They’d have to release a serious commercial failure for them to consider relinquishing the franchise. Fallout 4, as far as I can tell, isn’t going down that route.


If we were serious about ending greedy practices, we could totally restructure our economy, but people would have to be more open minded and less pessimistic to accept that: things which mainstream education discourages.
 
What the... What the hell is up with your TLDR? It's not about you being capable of writing or enjoying it, it's about people not wanting to read 2 paragraphs before they know exactly what you're talking about. It's about people being given a summary so that they'll know if the wall of text is going to be worth reading or whether it is something that they feel will be a waste of time. I have a finite amount of time during the day and I hate spending 10-20 minutes reading something only to realize that "hey, this actually is a waste of my time" but because I had to read that much to get to that point I have now wasted 10-20 minutes which I could have spent on something that I personally find more productive. Like clamping clothing pins on nipples and yodel at the cats in the backyard.

And if you're not going to give a summary of your lengthy post then what the hell is up with that smug TLDR comment?

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If you ain't interested in doing a proper TLDR then don't even mention anything about TLDR's in your post. To me that comment just comes across as condescending and smug. Like you're somehow better than others because you won't 'stoop down to our levels' by giving a summary of your post because --"unlike some people"-- you love to write. Apparently you don't love typing enough to write an additional sentence or two for a proper TLDR though. Either provide a real TLDR or don't, and if you choose not to then don't even mention a TLDR.

I quite frankly find the inclusion TLDR's for walls/paragraphs of text to be part of forum etiquette.
 
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Huzzah! Huzzah!

Seriously, modding is our last hope.

You can't mod out the shitty story.

It's like total biscuit once enstated. "Everything i want fixed, can't be fixed with mods."

You can't mod out the shitty story.

It's like total biscuit once enstated. "Everything i want fixed, can't be fixed with mods."

Actually it can! By total conversion mods which are rare and far between.

I mean on creating a whole game, everything from scratch by using one of the popular free engines like Unity and building up and continuing the Fallout 2 legacy.

I find it funny that WE're the one who are called intolerant and close minded when I see how the new fans react to any criticism of their perfect Fallout 3/4.

I think that saying that Beth games are trash is bullshit however. They do what they are trying to do quite well and have their advantages, although what they value in their games is opposed to what we (and Black Isle) value. Are they good sequels to the earlier Fallout? Not in my opinion. Yet, I would classify Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 (I only watched videos) as good games and definetely not agree with the the way you call them soulless and heartless abominations.

Sorry, I went a bit to hard. Like I said the games they do are good enough and do provide fun, but becoming more and more simplified, dumbed down, rendering them heartless simply because they care more about profits and market than their game. If you are a creator of a game and you love it, you generally don't ruin it nor take out parts like skills, karma, humour, deep story out of them. As their own creation TES is becoming worse and worse, they did the same with Fallout. I loved Daggerfall and Morrowing like I mentioned. Oblivios was good enough, Skyrim basically put them on a commercial train.

The way I see it, it’s just another corporation using the system to their advantage. They’d have to release a serious commercial failure for them to consider relinquishing the franchise. Fallout 4, as far as I can tell, isn’t going down that route.


If we were serious about ending greedy practices, we could totally restructure our economy, but people would have to be more open minded and less pessimistic to accept that: things which mainstream education discourages.
That is why we have the right to fight back and succeed.

What the... What the hell is up with your TLDR? It's not about you being capable of writing or enjoying it, it's about people not wanting to read 2 paragraphs before they know exactly what you're talking about. It's about people being given a summary so that they'll know if the wall of text is going to be worth reading or whether it is something that they feel will be a waste of time. I have a finite amount of time during the day and I hate spending 10-20 minutes reading something only to realize that "hey, this actually is a waste of my time" but because I had to read that much to get to that point I have now wasted 10-20 minutes which I could have spent on something that I personally find more productive. Like clamping clothing pins on nipples and yodel at the cats in the backyard.

And if you're not going to give a summary of your lengthy post then what the hell is up with that smug TLDR comment?

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If you ain't interested in doing a proper TLDR then don't even mention anything about TLDR's in your post. To me that comment just comes across as condescending and smug. Like you're somehow better than others because you won't 'stoop down to our levels' by giving a summary of your post because --"unlike some people"-- you love to write. Apparently you don't love typing enough to write an additional sentence or two for a proper TLDR though. Either provide a real TLDR or don't, and if you choose not to then don't even mention a TLDR.

I quite frankly find the inclusion TLDR's for walls/paragraphs of text to be part of forum etiquette.

My TLDR was sarcastic for most of people, for others like you it was cringe. I referenced on poor story telling by Bethesda in Fallout 4. But I am pretty sure if you take a better look, re-read it a couple of times, and play a bit of F4 you will notice the "sarcastic" option, usually in the lower left part of the dialog wheel. You acted over defensive, you felt attacked over a simple Beth ref. Don't think to much bro. No need to over-analyze.
 
My TLDR was sarcastic for most of people, for others like you it was cringe. I referenced on poor story telling by Bethesda in Fallout 4. But I am pretty sure if you take a better look, re-read it a couple of times, and play a bit of F4 you will notice the "sarcastic" option, usually in the lower left part of the dialog wheel. You acted over defensive, you felt attacked over a simple Beth ref. Don't think to much bro. No need to over-analyze.
[REDACTED] Whatever.
 
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My TLDR was sarcastic for most of people, for others like you it was cringe. I referenced on poor story telling by Bethesda in Fallout 4. But I am pretty sure if you take a better look, re-read it a couple of times, and play a bit of F4 you will notice the "sarcastic" option, usually in the lower left part of the dialog wheel. You acted over defensive, you felt attacked over a simple Beth ref. Don't think to much bro. No need to over-analyze.
[REDACTED] Whatever.
There is no need to be angry. All I ask is some unity from the community and to start a project for a game we love.
 
My TLDR was sarcastic for most of people, for others like you it was cringe. I referenced on poor story telling by Bethesda in Fallout 4. But I am pretty sure if you take a better look, re-read it a couple of times, and play a bit of F4 you will notice the "sarcastic" option, usually in the lower left part of the dialog wheel. You acted over defensive, you felt attacked over a simple Beth ref. Don't think to much bro. No need to over-analyze.
[REDACTED] Whatever.
There is no need to be angry. All I ask is some unity from the community and to start a project for a game we love.
I'm not angry, I'm annoyed. And I'm not annoyed about what the rest of your text is saying (because I didn't read it and nor do I care to [edit: read all of it]), I'm just annoyed that your "TLDR" mislead me into wasting my time criticizing it because you tried to reference the sarcastic option in Fallout 4 and (IMO) failed miserably as even with context I still don't see how it is a reference. All I can see is a smug condescending commentary on TLDR's. And now I've wasted my time yet again typing this fucking thing out so yeah... Still annoyed.
 
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Yeah I read from here "NMA, it is time to save Fallout." and down to the end of the thread post. OP, what specifically is it that you're asking for?
 
Hey Mr Corvega what are you plans for this project of yours

Gather a few people 10-20 who would want to start a kickstarter, gather some resources and develop a worthy sequel to Fallout 2.

Yeah I read from here "NMA, it is time to save Fallout." and down to the end of the thread post. OP, what specifically is it that you're asking for?

Your attitude is of an immature child and your hostility can only be measured with Bethesda's inability. Your failure to deduce basic sarcasm is only surpassed by Bethesda's definiton of sarcasm.

Simply walk along and spit your poison on the other areas of this forum if you are not capable of productive thoughts.
 
Yeah I didn't read this because it's too long but if you can make a good little post-apocalyptic RPG that's pretty cool. I'd probably trust Obsidian more with that kind of stuff and it's plausible they'll make one some day but if you have it planned out and have some good ideas then go for it. For me Fallout was all about the setting and characters/factions as well as a bit of cool worldbuilding so if you focus on that it would be extra nice.

Also woah that was a total fucking overreaction. All he wanted was a TL;DR. He doesn't fucking care if it's sarcasm, clearly. I completely agree with Mr Fish that TL;DRs should be basic forum etiquette with long posts pretty much. It's not a thing to joke about.
 
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Yeah I didn't read this because it's too long but if you can make a good little post-apocalyptic RPG that's pretty cool. I'd probably trust Obsidian more with that kind of stuff and it's plausible they'll make one some day but if you have it planned out and have some good ideas then go for it. For me Fallout was all about the setting and characters/factions as well as a bit of cool worldbuilding so if you focus on that it would be extra nice.

Also woah that was a total fucking overreaction. All he wanted was a TL;DR. He doesn't fucking care if it's sarcasm, clearly. I completely agree with Mr Fish that TL;DRs should be basic forum etiquette with long posts pretty much. It's not a thing to joke about.

I don't think Bethesda will give anyone else work on new Fallout after this fiasco with F4. It would be their complete affirmation of defeat, which they will not be giving anymore. Expect Fallout 5 to be even dumber than the 4.
 
Hey Mr Corvega what are you plans for this project of yours

Gather a few people 10-20 who would want to start a kickstarter, gather some resources and develop a worthy sequel to Fallout 2.

Yeah I read from here "NMA, it is time to save Fallout." and down to the end of the thread post. OP, what specifically is it that you're asking for?

Your attitude is of an immature child and your hostility can only be measured with Bethesda's inability. Your failure to deduce basic sarcasm is only surpassed by Bethesda's definiton of sarcasm.

Simply walk along and spit your poison on the other areas of this forum if you are not capable of productive thoughts.

To be fair, I didn't see any reference either. You are terrible at sarcasm. I also saw your little TLDR as condescending and smug.
 
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