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Basil Zen said:
(actually, I'm not really following the whole bustling city scenario here...as I haven't seen any in FO:T).

And Baldur's Gate goes steampunk? Help me with that one. Technology's pretty much the same between all three games.
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You're missing my point, which I accept as I should have made myself clearer. I wasn't making a literal analogy - the things I wrote weren't meant to be literally compared to the changes from FO 1/2 to FOT. I'm suggesting that the changes in setting, story, and detail that I wrote for ID3 and BG3 would be recieved by fans of those series of games the same way that Fallout fans recieved the changes in FOT. If BIS made these games this way, the outcry from BG and ID fans would reach the same level that Fallout fans reached when FOT came out.

Needlessly changing, altering, or eliminating details that to a casual gamer don't seem that important, but to a fan of the series are exactly the things that hold their interest and give the game that aura that keeps them playing it again and again, is what kills a game for fans. It can be things as small as the music, the color scheme, graphical uniqueness, minor characters, little quirks, or as large as the combat system or overall storyline. The details are what makes a game special, and FOT got rid of a lot the details that made Fallout appealing.

Now, I have a question for you: Why do so many people have such a hard time understanding this?
 
Basil Zen said:
And spy/counterspy isn't a copout. Hannity and Colmes/Crossfire/McClaughlin Group. Sometimes giving a balanced view requires taking both sides of the conflict in order to hold contradictory readers' attentions (note how no one is attacking the side they agree with).
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Yeh, it's a copout. The spy/counterspy means that the journalist doesn't need to give a balanced view. It does allow them to balance their arguments with counterpoints on each side to reach a stalemate. However it means that they never discuss the middle ground and find the real balance point between the arguments.

Take for example if he had used the same approach to discuss the US's actions in Iraq. He would have used two opposite and extreme opinions on the issue. ie Let's blow them up and let God sort em out, and, Peace man, give them a flower instead...
Exagerated, of course, but the point is it ignores the important discussion of exactly at what point we should be using force to push our sense of values and righteousness and whether the immorality of the deposed regime calls for such degree of action or not. The spy/counterspy argument simply provides two extreme points of view of which neither is worth listening to because they are both without moderation.

Plus, and most importantly, the spy/counterspy thing allows a journalist to insult people and then claim that it was only the rantings of a fictional extremist and not the opinion of the journalist. If that aint a copout, then he better not show up at my local pub and act that way if he wants to keep his teeth.

And yes, I disagree with both sides. You cannot listen to and follow what the fans say to the letter. Likewise you cannot afford to ignore what the fans say. What I believe you should do is listen and then make up your own mind on what you are going to do. In the end it comes down to the judgement of the team leaders. This seems to be what Rauche is missing and what has upset most people.

Plus, from what I can tell, there are fuck all FO fans that don't actually like FOT as it's own game.
 
haha I just got here after reading this thread and I find it hilarious how that idiot just changed his article
I bet he probably found this forum and freaked out because people were nailing him for a stupid statement.
serves him right, sadly, his blind idiot followers don't realize shit

I hope someone posted on the comments that he change it without notice... see how people respond
 
Excuse me, but what exactly did he change in the article.

I looked it over, but I didn't see what you guys were talking about.

Can you elaborate please?
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Here's what I found in the article's comments...

Here's the author replying to a reply to Ratty's first post.
Dumbass said:
No need to apologize to me, I don't take the flames of the Fallout die-hards all that seriously, and I knew that by mentioning them in the article, I'd be sure to get at least a few hate mails (I got a beaut this morning and had a blast reading it out loud to my office-mate).

I played all the Fallout games, loved them - still haul them out of mothballs every now and then to play them again, but the reason I picked the Fallout fans was because the lunatic Fallout fan community is the one I, as a PC/strategy/RPG gamer, know best.I could just as easily have picked on Final Fantasy fans, Mega Man fans, Tribes fans or a few other fan communities that represent the worst of the so-called "fan-feedback" process.

These are communities that are so angry, so hostile, so insanely proprietary over a particular franchise that they literally "love it to death". The signal-to-noise ratio in their commentary is so low, I can't imagine any developer wanting to wade through pages and pages of their vitriol to get at the one or two good suggestions that are probably in there.
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Ozrat said:
Excuse me, but what exactly did he change in the article.

I looked it over, but I didn't see what you guys were talking about.

Can you elaborate please?
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Here's what I found in the article's comments...

Here's the author replying to a reply to Ratty's first post.
Dumbass said:
No need to apologize to me, I don't take the flames of the Fallout die-hards all that seriously, and I knew that by mentioning them in the article, I'd be sure to get at least a few hate mails (I got a beaut this morning and had a blast reading it out loud to my office-mate).

I played all the Fallout games, loved them - still haul them out of mothballs every now and then to play them again, but the reason I picked the Fallout fans was because the lunatic Fallout fan community is the one I, as a PC/strategy/RPG gamer, know best.I could just as easily have picked on Final Fantasy fans, Mega Man fans, Tribes fans or a few other fan communities that represent the worst of the so-called "fan-feedback" process.

These are communities that are so angry, so hostile, so insanely proprietary over a particular franchise that they literally "love it to death". The signal-to-noise ratio in their commentary is so low, I can't imagine any developer wanting to wade through pages and pages of their vitriol to get at the one or two good suggestions that are probably in there.
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he changed "small team" to "team" so as to prevent himself from looking like a dumbass... and cover up his trail of stupidity
 
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