Dove way of life

I hate Goths. They talk about early Christian (ie Gnostic, some herectical Medival stuff), but they completely rape it, tear off its legs and throw it in a dumpster. GOTHS! ANGER! DIE! KILL! DESTROY! ARGHH!
 
No, CC, they don't. You've just never met a real goth. Probably just see little slipknot kids running around...
 
Elissar said:
Not everybody ratty, UJ knew he was guy... although DID hit on him..
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Make no mistake.... if it moves... i'd hit hit!

i don't care what and who you are if i like you i just do and if don't like you i just don't, nothing else to it.

Or as i've heard many times : "There are only two types of people in this world : the ones that think i'm a prick and those who don't know it yet!"
 
Elissar, I have had a couple of friends who were gay here, and none were lispy 12 year old girl-types. In fact, I think these guys generally looked down on those types of homosexuals.

One was an African-American guy- probably the most down to earth and genuine person in my program.

Another was a closet case republican christian who was really fucked up by being in the closet and did his best to hid it.

The third was an openly promiscuous gay male who was very into gay rights and the gay community but rapidly disliked the 12 year old girl, speaks with a lisp, flaming "fags" as he called them.

And the fourth you wouldn't know was gay if you were sitting down, drinking with him at a bar. Genuinely cool guy.

Gays come in all shapes and sizes and most of them you wouldn't spot.

Interestingly, one of the big divides in the gay community is between those who want to be seen as "just like anyone else" conformists, and those who flaunt as distinct the "gay culture" as a sign of uniqueness. Even within the gay community there are divisions.
 
Thanks for enlightening me welsh.

S far in life i've really only had a conversation with 1 gay guy. He was cool. Although it was kinda creepy the way he looked at me a few times... I guess i'm just attractive for a walking skeleton.
 
Malkavian said:
No, CC, they don't. You've just never met a real goth. Probably just see little slipknot kids running around...
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Probably them or the "spooky kids". basically you can call them posers, or noobs. Besides I'm more glam than "goth". Exactly what the difference between all those different "tags" I really don't know. All I know is they are all sub-culture things.

And found out there's no way for me to post songs on the internet without paying royalties to the original artist, and I am SO FUCKIN broke right now. If you want a copy just IM me and I'll find a way to send it to you.

Related subject, band broke up so I'm kinda bummed. Everything happens for a reason, and I think I'll find a better group of people that will fit in to my outlook on where I want to go musically.
 
Dove said:
Probably them or the "spooky kids". basically you can call them posers, or noobs. Besides I'm more glam than "goth". Exactly what the difference between all those different "tags" I really don't know. All I know is they are all sub-culture things.
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I don't differentiate between the tags either. Hell, everyone has a different opinion on "goth" (even the people who call themselves goth often can't agree on what it is). And Punk is even worse with the label thing.

What pisses me off is that there's no innovation to it anymore. They're selling pre-torn fishnet shirts in the goth stores here. Pre-torn?! Whenever I wore any torn fishnets, they were only torn because I overwore them. And I had a creative flare to my style - I would even make some of my own clothing, or buy items from thrift stores and alter them.

You can spend $70 and become InstaGoth and then claim you've been that way your entire life. Goth is a trend - there are goths in all the kiddie cartoons now (X-Men: Evolutions and TMNT for instance), and I've seen quite a few kids under 10 wearing black lipstick and such.

I'm probably just a bit bitter because I have no style anymore - I'm very plain. Too shy to try to even remotely stand out.

Talking publically about my gothy days eventually gets kind of awkward for me so I'll stop with that. :P
 
Kat wrote:
And Punk is even worse with the label thing.
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Aye, second that.


They're selling pre-torn fishnet shirts in the goth stores here. Pre-torn?!
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Well, actually, it began happening a loooong time ago. When punk first emerged in the late 70's in the UK, they started sellink punk-style clothes in the most expensive/snazzy shops in town. Anyways, look at the stuf nowadays in your basic diesel/gap/ whatever store. A picture of some sexy gaylike dude with a diesel coat, a lousy mohawk and a stupid smile. Ugh. (pesudo-punk phenomenon)

"punk ain't a religious cult, punk is thinking for yourself/ you ain't hardcores when you spike your hair, if a jock still lives inside your head"
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I mean look at the whole idea of selling "punk"/goth/whatever clothes, with their bands ( from whom they didn't even ask permission to sell their band logo) T shirts and the like...
IMO it's the complete antithesis of the original idea. Selling something because it is "cool". It's even more "cool" to "look like" than to "be". (poser/n00b phenomenon)

Yet another classical example of our society's consumerism.
 
I put goth, punk and all those other weird styles in to one big category that has taken over Peoria AZ (god knows where else) its the 'wanna be different' trend.
I think it's pretty gay if you dress up all crazy just to stand out or get attension or because everyone else dresses normally. Thats why i don't get most of these kids. Why would you put on a spiked dog collar? It's not comfortable. It makes you look like someones gimp more than it makes you look tough.
 
Speaking of this "being different thing" and the like going against the mainstream style, well...i find it EXTREMEMLY ironic (its almost laughable) that at a mall near where I live, there's a Hot Topic directly across the hall from an Abercrombie and Fitch. Shallow people come in HORDES to this section of the mall, then stream into their respective stores.
Now, I have no problem with Goths, or any style group for that matter. In fact, i'm friends with a bunch. But these are real goths, not poser 13 year olds wearing t-shirts that say things like "the voices in my head tell me what to do". You DON'T have voices in your head, and you're a jackass for wearing that shirt. Those kind of things anger me.
 
My problem with trends is the one about boxing boots. Now every store in the mall has them, it just created an artificial overpricing.
The problem is that i box, so now i need new boots, but they are all more expensive than usual and the salespeople in the store look at me all weird when i ask them if they have it in my size, since that trend is for woman.

Torn- clothes ah! i bouth pre-torn jeans in the 80's can you say Miami Vice?
 
80's you say


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