Drakensang

Malkavian said:
It's cool man, I was just fucking with you.
This thread has way too many sexual allusions. I'm half-expecting everyone to start ripping off their clothes and spanking each other.

Oh, and Sina, do give Realms of Arkania a try. It's one of the finest CRPGs to ever come out of Europe and one of the most difficult ones in general.
 
Yep. Star Trail has got my recommendations. And it's both, excellent and hard to beat in difficulty.
 
Malkavian said:
It's cool man, I was just fucking with you.:(

You wish... anyway ...made me laugh no harm done.

I have come to find german products lack of the type of imagination and depth and sly humor and wit i expect, which is unfair and subjective, i know... but.

One project i expect might be a pleasant surprise is Witcher.

One of the most difficult ones you say eh, Ratty?

Where is my doublebladed axe....
 
I'm surprised at the reaction to my NWN comment. BG was undoubtedly the better game, but apart from the size of the world and the storyline what's really different? It's pretty much the same gameplay, just updated to 3D.
 
For me Bg ( and i mean shadows of Amn first then the first game),
was a quite a good thing. The story drawed me in although i started playing second part first, Irenicus is one of my favorite villains, and i don't remember ever wanting to finally catch up with any other villain so bad in any other game. Other characters were good with a few excellent ones (Minsc and Edwin)... And Irenicus had a sister that was the only scary sprite i saw in all the games.
I ran across the city at night, to escape the vampires that would butcher my team...had a first fight with the real Dragon man... and watched my team blown off the screen... And their little pictures from the HUD....man those moments don't come by often. And there were many many more, and then the whole first part.

And in NWN there was no story, everything looked the same, you just had waves of enemies with different loot popping out of them, no choices whatsoever, it looked uglier, henchmen are terrible, i honestly tried to play it but could not after a few hours so much so i had to uninstal it.

thats the difference. m kay?
 
Sina i couldn't disagree with your BG view more :D

BG1 was the better of the two.

. Other characters were good with a few excellent ones (Minsc and Edwin)

Wtf, those are the two coolest characters in the game.

Minsk ( and boo ) is like an icon for the BG games...
And Edwin is the most evil character seen in a game :P
 
I knoow , i knooww....BG1 is so sweet too, i just always hapen to play the second part first, if there is any, and i read all the books in series backwards without even trying to.

:lol:
 
Oh yes, Kharn...sory for derailing the topic. Ill be sure to check out this game.

If you apreciate it so much it must have a good story and believeble characters and so on....
 
Anyone here played it?

I would say that its the best CRPG since BG2.

It do have a lot of flaws but compared to what we have to choose from in this genre, this one is one of the best in a long time imo.

Check it out if you haven't http://www.drakensang.com/


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I can't believe you kept Dranor in your party. He blows the big one, epically.

Yeah, I've been playing it. Actually meant to review it somewhere this week but DAMN this game is big.

Best cRPG since BG II? Not really. It's not that great, too much of its design is flawed, whether it be the pretty f'in stupid combat system or the barefaced lack of dialogue options or the uninteresting design of many quests.

Despite the niggles, it is rock solid, and a lot of fun to play. I've always loved TDE and the game implements its setting well, and its rules well enough (not big on 4th edition anyway). The locations are good, the overarching storyline is decent and some of the quests are quite good.

[spoiler:d1896211c6]I also can't believe you went against the witches. Bastard[/spoiler:d1896211c6]
 
Man last time i wrote in this thread it was 2006, omg :crazy:

And what game is better since BG2 ?

The Witcher? NWN2? i tried booth but they where booth uninstalled after a few days.

I have the newest exp to NWN2 tho, where you can control a party. Might be something but i doubt it will be more entertaining than DS.

There are many things i don't like in this game tho:

The camera (gets better when you get used to it)
Regenerate Health during battles
Way to little indoor areas to visit
No NPC interaction within your party
More NPCs with daily routines, would make the world seem more alive
You get to much XP in general
There is to little choice and consequence
The sneak system is epic fail,
There is no day and night/weather circle


But still even with all those flaws the game is very fun to play. The level system is great, much better than the D&D ruleset imo. The quests in general are well done. There are few magic items/weapons etc, so you really feel pleased when you find new items/weapons. Another good thing is that the game seems to be long, very long.

I can't believe you kept Dranor in your party. He blows the big one, epically.

Yea i agree to some extent. I use him for locks and traps, and all social talents. I have trained him well in parry tho, he has a mean parry! So he is good for keeping a few enemy at bay while the rest of the party concentrate on the remaining enemys. But yea there are far better NPCs when it comes to fighting for sure.
 
keyser Soeze said:
And what game is better since BG2 ?

Arcanum. Bloodlines. Gothic. Gothic II. Probably the Witcher, though I haven't had the time to really get into it.

keyser Soeze said:
You get to much XP in general

Hell, compared to the system it's based on (though I should note I'm a TDE 2nd/3rd edition player, not that familiar with 4th) all the progress goes too fast. There's no way you can get a magic item before level 10 in TDE as I was used to it, they're too rare. Not to mention the heaps of gold ducats you get, ridiculous.

But it's typical for pen-and-paper-to-cRPG conversions. Developers feel the reward has to be more immediate.

keyser Soeze said:
The level system is great, much better than the D&D ruleset imo.

TDE is superior to D&D. From what I can tell, I still prefer 3rd edition to 4th edition. 3rd edition was used in the previous TDE cRPGs, the Realms of Arkania games

keyser Soeze said:
The quests in general are well done.

No they're not. As a rule, they're "go here and punch" quests. The game restricts your freedom of independent thinking way too much. I think the Thieves Guild quest and the Treasure Search quest are the only ones with real independent action involved. The quest markers might be unobtrusive, but they're still there.

Drakensang is one of those games where you don't even really need to understand the quest, you can just follow the quest marker and then kill whatever is at the end of it. Game doesn't really allow you to screw it up that way.

It's a bit better than that, thanks to some creative quests (the leprechaun puzzle, defeating the undead necromancer, "For a Fistful of Ducats"), but for the most part, the quest design is inferior to - say - Fallout 3.

keyser Soeze said:
There are few magic items/weapons etc, so you really feel pleased when you find new items/weapons.

This is the rule of the TDE setting. Because to create an item permanently imbued with magic, you have to put part of your own Astral Energy in there. You can see why most wizards don't like that prospect, so magic items are hella rare.

keyser Soeze said:
Another good thing is that the game seems to be long, very long.

Good for you, maybe, I'm trying desperately to get to the end so I can review the damn thing.

A lot of its length is artificial, caused not by a superfluity of gameplay but by how FUCKING SLOW walking is and how FUCKING MUCH of it you have to do. Major, major flaw.

But it's not really flaws that pull this game down, it's more that - besides being TDE - it has little going for it, it's just not particularly great at anything. The combat isn't great, quest design isn't great, dialogue system and writing aren't great, storyline isn't great. The only thing great about it is the p&p license they used.

keyser Soeze said:
Yea i agree to some extent. I use him for locks and traps, and all social talents. I have trained him well in parry tho, he has a mean parry! So he is good for keeping a few enemy at bay while the rest of the party concentrate on the remaining enemys. But yea there are far better NPCs when it comes to fighting for sure.

Far better? Some are way, way overpowered, like that knight-dude you meet later on. Forgot his name.

Anyway, I have a social/sneak character as well, but I figured it'd be a bit of a waste for it to be Dranor, so I took along Gladys instead. I've always loved the Charlatan class, and she's great at it. Fantastic social skills, can easily lockpick the most difficult locks (I play a dwarf sapper m'self so I take care of traps) and in combat she stays back with the combat mage, casting spells or throwing knives as me and knight-dude go and hack 'n slash up front.

Man, this game is easy.

Party


Friggin'


Hard
 
I'm kinda-sorta interested in this game, but I don't think I could bear another NWN2-style clunk-fest. Tell me, how are performance and interface design/responsiveness when compared to NWN2?
 
Black said:
keyser Soeze said:
And what game is better since BG2 ?
Arcanum

Yo brosef, the unpatched version of Arcanum bit the big one, you had to force yourself through the bugs and impossibly crappy combat (real-time or turn-based).
The combat was never actually fixed, but combined with the heinous amount of bugs it was almost impossible to enjoy without the issues destroying your soul.
Ugh, I stayed off of that game for three years when I encountered a game killing bug near the end, when a quest NPC wouldn't register that I had actually destroyed an item (I think it was a sword or something), so I couldn't get on his boat and advance the game.

I think I destroyed the item improperly, but you can't blame me, the journal entry was so vague and unspecific and I really did expect that the developers were above such an oversight.

Anyways, after liberal patching Arcanum is definitely worth playing, but at release? I don't know man, it was almost as bad as ToEE 1.0.
 
Played the demo.

Game sucks. It may be solid, but damn, it's nothing more than a fantasy RPG with a diffrent ruleset. Absolutlely nothing is this game caught my eye, sorry.
 
The Demo kept crashing on me. Constantly.
I hope the retail version isnt as buggy ?
And the combat feels..clunky. I hate the combat regeneration, it simply lengthens the fights too much. Camera tends to be as user friendly as a rapid hungry wolf on crystal meth.
Still, it seems better than oblivion, and certainly will not feel as annoying as fallout 3 did.
i am going to buy it.
Sure, it might not be BG or Planescape (fan patched), but atleast it seems okay.
 
Downloading the demo.
Never heard of TDE before Drakensang, mostly play D&D games and my knowledge of other roleplaying systems is a bit limited, but it seems interesting so gonna give it a try.
At least the armour looks cool which is more than I can say for the NWN games :P
 
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