Traeger91
Still Mildly Glowing
I have the uncanny ability to spot a furry based off their art style.
EFAP on Fallout
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Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
What? Rags? The dog? Yeah he's a furry, kind of, so what?
Traeger91
Still Mildly Glowing
Nothing, I was just saying I can tell.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
He's got rule34 if you're into that kinda stuff.
Traeger91
Still Mildly Glowing
Why is that the thing you reply to me with?
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
funniWhy is that the thing you reply to me with?
Norzan
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Of course Jim Sterling likes the TV show. Same person who defended Fallout 3 from reasonable criticism, basically calling fans of the first two games babies and close-minded, and defended Fallout 4 as well.
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
It's fucking wild how Sterling builds a whole career off of highlighting all the cynical business practices in the gaming industry, but when it comes to a thing they like suddenly none of that matters. At the beginning of Sterling's Fallout TV review they have a little aside where they complain about incestuously interpersonal storytelling where everything relates to each other, but then doesn't acknowledge it in Fallout TV, a show where some guy we've never seen before just so happens to have been responsible for the t-45 rollout, and the pip-boys, and the actionable plan for the apocalypse, and he personally knows the main character, and he's running the secret evil experiment which is what Fallout was really about all along.
Saint_Proverbius
Vault Senior Citizen
Which is what makes it really odd when you watch his Fallout TV show review. Right there at the beginning, you have a tranny. Then you start to notice that every single couple is interracial. The only exception would be Lucy's parents in the flashbacks, but hey, at least she has the good sense to leave the white guy for the off-white lesbian. Oh, wait, how about that Cooper Howard guy in the flashbacks? He's preached to a diverse crew of communists, and once he starts to figure out they're right, he's rewarded by getting to lose his white skin. And then there's the nonstop communist anti-capitalist messaging stuff, which is brought to you by two of the largest corporations in the actual world.
And "THE MESSAGE" guy completely commented on none of this.
I would like to give the writers of the show a little bit of the benefit of the doubt and hope the intention wasn't to cast a black guy as Maximus because he was such an awful character. If they wrote that character with the intention of casting a black guy, then it's kind of hard not to question how racist the writers actually are. Maximus is pretty much an amoral character, not immoral, amoral. He's also extremely dimwitted. Creetosis's videos on the show pretty much nailed it saying his character "tard rages". As a character, he was just awful.
I think you're giving the writers way too much credit.
The angle I've heard recently is that Critical Drinker is trying to get in to show business, but I don't recall what aspect of it, but other people have commented on how he's changed lately with his reviews. His review was very out of character. He had a show shortly afterwards with Archcast and a few others who dressed him down for his review and he let them crap all over the show without really commenting on any of it. I haven't seen Sterling's review of the Fallout TV show, but I'm replying about how interestingly out of character some of the positive reviews of the show are.
I think "THE MESSAGE" guy didn't comment on it because it all didn't feel that much on the nose. He mostly comments on this sort of stuff when it feels it's forced in and makes the story worse. Here it doesn't really add or detract anything since it's all in there without specific purpose. Like, sure, you can see it as "Cooper gets to shed his white skin after agreeing with the communists", but really, that's trying to see layers where there are none. All the characters are interchangeable and there isn't really any "THE MESSAGE" to complain about because nothing hinges on the gender or race of any character, and nothing is ever mentioned.
As such I'm not surprised he didn't really complain about that, he usually doesn't dig deep into that and mostly just complains when it's shoved down your throat.
I can see how people not invested in Fallout or fans of Fallout 3 and 4 would like the show on first watch, since its perfectly dumb fun. However, I think we'll see people's reactions get more lukewarm on rewatch. I'm already seeing people tell me they're rewatching it and how they forgot all about Maximus, and now they're just skipping all his scenes because he's just so awful. The novelty wears off, and people start to see more of the flaws.
As such I'm not surprised he didn't really complain about that, he usually doesn't dig deep into that and mostly just complains when it's shoved down your throat.
I can see how people not invested in Fallout or fans of Fallout 3 and 4 would like the show on first watch, since its perfectly dumb fun. However, I think we'll see people's reactions get more lukewarm on rewatch. I'm already seeing people tell me they're rewatching it and how they forgot all about Maximus, and now they're just skipping all his scenes because he's just so awful. The novelty wears off, and people start to see more of the flaws.
Maybe it's because you have a cat avatar?Why is that the thing you reply to me with?
TheKingofVault14
Fallout Fan For Life!
Just like Fallout 3, over time people will be more critical of it & realize its flaws, yet another example of history repeating itself huh?
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Apparently Piers Morgan really likes Critical Drinker and has had him on his show recently. Critical Drinker has been catching on with the moderate conservative/liberal right segment of media consumers, so he's probably moderating his own opinions for more mainstream appeal.
Intentional or not the outcome is the same, which is why it's so ironic. It's a literal example of liberal color blindness reproducing racist tropes despite its anti-racist assumptions. It also ties in to why making the ghouls a cannibal ticking time bomb is racist: the writers simply don't understand the material.
It DOES hinge on ideology though, but the actually existing ideologies which fomented the apocalypse are irrelevant in favor of a goofy nonsense ideology that only makes sense if you're familiar with the "Professional Managerial Class" theory that was popular among left liberals within the last decade.
Cooper never actually agrees with the "communists" and the communists aren't even communist, they're simply "sane." The division of the world is therefore between the sane rationalists and the insane idealists; which leads directly into the anti-political stance the show has on factions and their mere existence.
The limits of rationality are one of Fallout's major themes. A rational system of belief is worthless if it has false priors, like the Master's vision of Unity or the genocidal worldview of the Enclave. China & The United States were both rational actors driven by material interests, and yet they destroyed the world. Cynical realism and vulgar materialism aren't enough to form the basis of a just society, there's a necessary ideological component to even conceive of any standard of "justice" which is not on some level a kind of social darwinism.
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Saint_Proverbius
Vault Senior Citizen
Fallout 4 has taken a harder nose dive than Fallout 3 has taken. When Fallout 4 came out, it was racking up rave reviews right and left. Around the time Fallout 76 came out and was a disaster, you started to see a lot of people bringing up how lackluster Fallout 4 was while slamming Fallout 76. Which is really odd, because I've noticed articles on gaming sites after the Fallout TV show saying things like, "Fallout 76 was always good." Huh?
I think it's fairly obvious they don't know what Ghouls are. Even from episode to episode, they're not consistent on Ghouls. The Ghoul serum that the squire gets injected with instantly healing his foot and the arrow in the neck not being fatal just doesn't mesh with any lore established at all. You have one episode where Cooper is a bullet sponge and then later on, they're mowing down feral ghouls with a pistol. People play it off as "It's just like the games!", but it's not. Not at all, because you have that supposed "game logic" in one episode, and then something more realistic in a similar situation the next episode. It's horribly inconsistent in so many areas.
I'd argue he does, and if you want to ignore exactly how stupid that meeting scene was and take it's events on their face, it's hard to blame him. He's processing the events of that meeting and having trouble focusing on the world around him. That's acceptance in action.
The really big problem with that scene, other than the glaringly obvious ones, is that we're expected to stop thinking about that right then and there. But in light of the fact that he knows that his wife wants to nuke the world, how does he manage to go home and pretend to have a normal life with her after that? Knowing that she's going to nuke the world, why does he go through the motions of his daily grind as opposed to snatching up his daughter and fleeing somewhere? If nothing else that extreme, you'd think he'd be at least parking himself and his kid near a vault at all times. Something like that should have a much greater impact on Cooper and his life than a few moments of stunned revelation.
Also, yes, they're communists. The not very subtle insinuation is that only communists are sane.
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
If Cooper had agreed with Moldaver's group he would have joined them instead of taking Janey to work birthday parties for rich people. Obviously they're going to reveal more about the past in the next season but it's hard to see how there could possibly be any more meaningful reveals that don't involve either Janey or Moldaver. The Vault-Tec mystery is more or less resolved.
Cooper learns the truth about America but it doesn't really change his politics or his values, and after the great war he's gone over fully to his nihilistic impulses. His reaction to the conspiracy is just bizarre when his plan seems to be to just wait for the world to end.
Moldaver literally says they're not communists, and the group doesn't express any actual communist politics. Moldaver says that they have more in common with the people they're at war with than the people sending them to war, and while that's typical communist rhetoric it's not an exclusively communist viewpoint. You're denying the Liberal understanding of McCarthyism, which is that the victims were all innocent of what they were accused of instead of the fact that being a communist isn't a crime. This show was written by liberals with educations in elite academies given a task to perform by Amazon, not by starving artists with Marxist sympathies. As farr as the show is concerned, communists aren't a "real" thing, they're a stand-in for "America's adversaries" in more of a War on Terror sense and less a Cold War sense.
Traeger91
Still Mildly Glowing
His names Murray, and he's my pet cat. It's not just some random furry image.Maybe it's because you have a cat avatar?
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Oh and by the way, what a tremendous misstep to make Fallout a GWOT parody after it's already over, as the United States is attempting to do the China Pivot, and is supporting a proxy war against Russia, and is backing Israel full to the hilt in Gaza. The Cold War parallels are more relevant than they've ever been, and the West Coast line of Fallout games have never been more relevant than they are now. Fallout had a perfect historical moment to seize on and touch the cultural zeitgeist, and instead we get turgid dogshit.
TheKingofVault14
Fallout Fan For Life!
True true, Fallout 4 is definitely a perfect example of people's perception of the game changing as time went on. But the reason why I picked Fallout 3 as an example, it's because we as a Fallout Fandom, have reached an even BIGGER, MORE MAINSTREAM Audience/ have gotten newcomers to the series than we ever have before. With Fallout 3, the franchise got the attention from the mainstream gaming spotlight, and now with The TV Show we've got the attention from uh what do I call them? Mainstream Entertainment? Like Hollywood, TV Consumers? Well yeah, anyways you know what I mean.
Also, are sure Fallout 3 is doing a lot better than 4? Because I thought it was the other way around, because not only has the game's popularity dwindled, but I've seen people say that it's the weakest one out of the three Fallout games in the Bethesda Era.
Alphons
National Beholder
Fallout 3 is barely played these days, it's the least popular 3D Fallout (on Steam it's 24 hours peak is barely 1600 players vs 18 000 for NV, 22 000 for 76 and over 50 000 for 4; on consoles it's probably even more skewed in 4's direction), so I think that's why it's doing better than 4.
Almost everyone who was critical of it when it came out has already forgotten about it, while most people who loved it don't tarnish their nostalgic memories by replaying.
Similarly with Oblivion vs Skyrim (600 vs 30 000 players).
Almost everyone who was critical of it when it came out has already forgotten about it, while most people who loved it don't tarnish their nostalgic memories by replaying.
Similarly with Oblivion vs Skyrim (600 vs 30 000 players).
Norzan
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Whatever novelty Fallout 3 had is long gone at this point, so what's left is a pretty bad game with horrid gameplay. New Vegas being played by many more people makes sense since it's the much better game that has far better content.
Fallout 4 might just have even worse writing than Fallout 3, but the not complete shit gameplay mixed with the settlement building pleases the casual players much more than whatever Fallout 3 does.
Fallout 4 might just have even worse writing than Fallout 3, but the not complete shit gameplay mixed with the settlement building pleases the casual players much more than whatever Fallout 3 does.