Election time in Canada, yay...

Ilosar

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Dunno if there are many Canadian NMAers, but what the hell, I feel like politics focus too much on the international around here.

As title says, ol' Steph got ousted, and off to a useless 300mil $ election we go. Since Ignatieff has as much political flair as a spoon, it's probable we will see yet another Conservative government, possibly with a majority if the Liberal debacle continues. Think I am going to vote Bloc Québécois this time for the lulz of it.
 
Until the resource wars begin anyway. Then we get annexed. :cry:

The Conservatives will likely win again, and we'll have another robot for a Prime Minister. Who knows what I shall end up voting, nobody is that impressive currently, but I shant vote Conservative - that is a definite.
 
Dirk Magirk said:
Until the resource wars begin anyway. Then we get annexed. :cry:

Exactly! I've always advocated annexing mexico and canada instead of invading muslim countries all over the world. It'd be much cheaper to just invade our closest neighbors.

The United States of North America has nice ring to it.
 
Guerilla war in the frozen north against evil US troopers? Sounds good to me. We could copy the Finnish from WW2 and charge the enemy in skis, and maybe some ice hockey soldiers and bear cavalry for extra lulz. Come to think of it, that would be a great setting for a game. Not like any US studio owned by a ''respectable'' publisher would back it anyhow.

I guess we can ditch the election talk and focus on the invasion of Canada, then?
 
I think Americans are more fearful of their brown neighbors down south...it will be funny when California and Texas succeed back to Mexico in about 50 years. :mrgreen: "We're coming home friendo"...

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nah. we don't want none of that. Maybe if we went all Egypt and Libya on their asses, and destabilized their government, they would have their semi-bicentennial revolution
 
Huh, we actually have Canadians here? I thought me and Ugly John are the only 2 around, and he ain't around much no more.

As for actual politics..., well, that's a tough nut. We ain't voting for presidents, but everyone seems to forget that. Of course, Harper has tried hard to run his PM office like the American White House. I don't know..., because I think some people might be happier with that. The Conservatives seem to represent the silent "minority" in Canada. One that's neophobic, xenophobic, and one that favours protectionism and big government. Of course, no Canadians would actually admit this in your face. Harper and the Big C did indeed accomplish a great thing that has never been done before in all Common Wealth countries - they are found to be in contempt of parliament. I mean, that basically says that we did what we want in this country and there is nothing you can do about it.

Of course, giving them more lip time only give them more press, so I should stop that. Canadian politics is pretty much done for in my opinion. Unless, of course, if and when they change it, which is highly improbable. Ontario and Quebec has too many seats. (What the hell does a provincial nationalistic party doing in a federal government is beyond me) Quebec just asked for another 6 billion dollars, so you know, they won't do that thing again. Province has been given the hodge podge of power and responsibilities that doesn't match well with the Federal framework. (Why the hell does provinces have to deal with education and health care?) Cities are getting screwed over by both the provincial level and federal level while taking on more and more services. (Why the hell are cities collecting property taxes?) Most provinces are home to minor kings and queens that govern their fiefdom like they control serfs in the old days.

Anyway, as for the actual campaign, Liberal's Mike is likeable, but he better get a platform other than just mouthing off Harper. Harper pays other people to mouth off Mike (it's funny how they keep saying Mike spent all these times abroad and the US, but in my pov, Harper was the biggest US arse kisser in 20 yrs), and looks better in brain dead moron's eyes because of that. NDP's Jack hasn't got anything new, and that's fine for some I guess. I don't know that's enough to run a country or get a majority. (Senate reform is good, but I doubt anyone has the balls to actually abolish the Senate. Maybe we should get a 6 year Senate election in Canada too, who knows?) I don't know what the hell the Bloc is doing except asking for money and playing the victim of some sort of cultural bashing. (And no, I didn't bother to learn French) As for the Green, well......., getting 1 seat would be nice. You know, just ONE seat. As for Harper, well, he used to be an accountant. I don't have anything against accountants, but I do know personally many of them has something in common. A lot of them never had to get a "job" except as an accountant. So if he says he speaks for the common men, I seriously wonder how brainwashed some CBC radio interviewees has to be to believe that.

As for the big issues.., well, over the last couple elections, the only sensible economic policy discussion I've ever heard (in my pov) from the recollection of the last few years was actually from Mae, the Green. Shocking, I know. Liberal (Federal, not provincial) 's gas tax idea was a brilliant test of 2 face Canadian mentality. We somehow like to think we are all peta or environmentalists or some kind of morally more enlightened people up here, but when push comes to shove? Don't you dare touch my SUV or Truck, or hell, tell me to pay for a negative externality charge for my convenience. In the end, voter blocks got consolidated and the rest kept getting apathetic.

Voting behaviour is also a very interesting study in the social psychology. One thing will be fairly major at this point - if something in this campaign triggered the sense of loss aversion in some voting blocks, then expect votes for the Liberal to fracture and Conservative to get another minority.
 
You don't think the federal government has enough power as it is? Education and health care are pretty much the only things provinces have going for them. What's the use of provinces if they don't have any powers.

The problem with Harper is that is he a master at putting the 3 party of the opposition against each other. Before the campaign even began he immediately pulled out that stupid ''omg coalition!!'' card and he knows, not only will people buy it, but the opposition will scramble to become as distant as possible from each other in order to prove him wrong. Win-win for our dear old G.W.Bush copycat. It would not matter that much if the Liberals were strong, but the Party faces a crisis right now and simply can't govern, so we are stuck. The only question is if the Conservatives will have a majority or not (and I hope not, we kiss enough US arse as it is).

As for the Bloc, Harper would probably have a majority if not for them, because the Liberals won't get any seat in Québec for sure, Iggy is at 10% popularity over here, and yes people do vote for leaders and not policies which is a bit sad. Also, Duceppe is the only interesting Federal politician (well, Layton is OK too, but I do not agree with his views).
 
I'm a Canadian citizen, so I wouldn't really care if he does.

I'd rather put more tax money into education and healthcare than the (pretty much non existent) military. Harper doesn't represent what I'd support, therefore, I wouldn't want him winning a majority.
 
Yeah, apparently we lack money and need to be careful with the economy.

So let's buy top-of-the-line attack jets that will cost us 35 billions to buy, not counting the enormous (as much as double IIRC) amount needed for maintenance. I mean, more boats is OK with our massive coast, more money for infantry is all fine and dandy, but really? fighter planes whose only use is to shoot down other planes? Yeah that will really aid us against the Talibans or whatever other crazies we must keep from killing each other. Ridiculous.
 
Ilosar said:
Yeah, apparently we lack money and need to be careful with the economy.

So let's buy top-of-the-line attack jets that will cost us 35 billions to buy, not counting the enormous (as much as double IIRC) amount needed for maintenance. I mean, more boats is OK with our massive coast, more money for infantry is all fine and dandy, but really? fighter planes whose only use is to shoot down other planes? Yeah that will really aid us against the Talibans or whatever other crazies we must keep from killing each other. Ridiculous.

Why do you guys need any military when the USA does all your fighting for you?
 
That's actually a pretty good question. It's completely not needed. We had kind of a good boy reputation because of Blue Helmets and such before, but now that Harper decided we must be mini-US, our forces only serve as a show-off and a money sink.
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

Something fun for Canadians to do.

I am not a supporter for the Green party, since quite of few of them lean too far into the environmental extremism like those in green peace, alp or peta. I just thought that Mae had a nice economic message during her 08 campaigns. Of course, since Harper was sucking on American teat so much back then, maybe that was just the thing I was looking for.

I wasn't asking for more federal power. I just felt the checks and balances between provinces and the federal government is somehow all wrong. All I see is a massive inefficiency between taxes and programs on the ground.

One thing always makes me laugh is our liquor laws. For some reason, it's cheaper to buy wines from California, Australia or Spain than from Ontario or elsewhere in Canada. I am not much of a wine drinker per se, but that's just ridiculous to me.

The funny thing about this province is that our liberals are like the federal conservatives, and a federal conservative is getting the leadership in the provincial conservative party. Go figure.

I would recommend an interesting book if anyone is interested in Canadian economy, it's called "Why Mexicans don't drink Molson". Of course, a titbit from the book makes me laugh and shake my head is the fact that none of the beer brands that Canadians created are Canadians' any longer.
 
Says I am Liberal, which isn't that far off from the truth at the Federal level (but so help me, provincial Liberals in Quebec can go f themselves), if only the Liberal leadership weren't a complete and utter joke these days. I am no hardcore 'separatist', but the NDP is too left-wing and the Conservatives are an absolute no-go, so the Bloc will probably be my choice.

Or maybe it'll be an symbolic, empty vote this time around. I wish lots of people would do this to send the message that we can't take those idiotic games over at Ottawa anymore, we want real leadership damnit.
 
DammitBoy said:
Why do you guys need any military when the USA does all your fighting for you?
Canadian forces are present in Afghanistan. They had also a small force present in Iraq and took active part in education of some Iraq forces. Obviously not some huge size or forces with millions of men. But considering Canada's size and population that is not surprising. They do not even have 1/3 of the German population. Leave alone compared with the US. 2011 estimate - 34,409,000
 
Starseeker said:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

Something fun for Canadians to do.

I am not a supporter for the Green party, since quite of few of them lean too far into the environmental extremism like those in green peace, alp or peta. I just thought that Mae had a nice economic message during her 08 campaigns. Of course, since Harper was sucking on American teat so much back then, maybe that was just the thing I was looking for.

I wasn't asking for more federal power. I just felt the checks and balances between provinces and the federal government is somehow all wrong. All I see is a massive inefficiency between taxes and programs on the ground.

One thing always makes me laugh is our liquor laws. For some reason, it's cheaper to buy wines from California, Australia or Spain than from Ontario or elsewhere in Canada. I am not much of a wine drinker per se, but that's just ridiculous to me.

The funny thing about this province is that our liberals are like the federal conservatives, and a federal conservative is getting the leadership in the provincial conservative party. Go figure.

I would recommend an interesting book if anyone is interested in Canadian economy, it's called "Why Mexicans don't drink Molson". Of course, a titbit from the book makes me laugh and shake my head is the fact that none of the beer brands that Canadians created are Canadians' any longer.

Right in between Liberals and Conservatives. =\
 
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