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Prone Squanderer said:
In all seriousness though, I'd have preferred to have found the submarine half marooned and everyone on board dead. And instead of finding the Captain as a ghoul you find the crew all dead and you piece together what happened from the environment.

It's like the Kid in the Fridge thing. No one can seriously expect to believe the Captain stayed down in that sub for the last 200 years, nor that Raiders attacked so often he could steal their food.
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Then there's no actual story or plot. Whereas confronting the man who murdered all your friends, family, and neighbors is actually an interesting one.

The Sole Survivor is literally the only person on the planet fit to judge the Captain for his actions.
 
CT Phipps said:
Then there's no actual story or plot. Whereas confronting the man who murdered all your friends, family, and neighbors is actually an interesting one.

The Sole Survivor is literally the only person on the planet fit to judge the Captain for his actions.
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Yea but going by how the Sole Survivor reacts to his wife getting killed (i.e. boinking everything from women and men to robots) I doubt he'd care that much. :D
 
CT Phipps said:
Then there's no actual story or plot. Whereas confronting the man who murdered all your friends, family, and neighbors is actually an interesting one.

The Sole Survivor is literally the only person on the planet fit to judge the Captain for his actions.
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There are locations in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas that don't have an obvious "here's a story!" but still tell stories. Not every location needs a plot.

I actually think it would be better not to have the Captain alive because then the Sole Survivor wouldn't be able to "get revenge".
 
Vergil said:
Yea but going by how the Sole Survivor reacts to his wife getting killed (i.e. boinking everything from women and men to robots) I doubt he'd care that much. :D
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You have to fill the hole in your heart somehow.

Prone Squanderer said:
There are locations in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas that don't have an obvious "here's a story!" but still tell stories. Not every location needs a plot.

I actually think it would be better not to have the Captain alive because then the Sole Survivor wouldn't be able to "get revenge".
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It kind of defeats the purpose of the quest to "get revenge." The point of the quest is forgiveness and working to rebuild what both sides destroyed.
 
CT Phipps said:
You have to fill the hole in your heart somehow.



It kind of defeats the purpose of the quest to "get revenge." The point of the quest is forgiveness and working to rebuild what both sides destroyed.
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Fair enough, I assumed you were talking about killing the guy, given how much you like the "pew pew".
 
Dude has one of the few excuses I buy for living alone for 200 years. He murdered X million number of people.

If there's a good reason for keeping yourself isolated and tortured by the ruins of your crime, that's a fairly good one.

Prone Squanderer said:
Fair enough, I assumed you were talking about killing the guy, given how much you like the "pew pew".
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I generally take Bethesda as satirizing 1950s right wing jingoism, conservative values, and The "Good Old Days" given I'm about as left as Alan Moore and he's gleefully batshit insane in a manner I deeply admire.
 
CT Phipps said:
Dude has one of the few excuses I buy for living alone for 200 years. He murdered X million number of people.

If there's a good reason for keeping yourself isolated and tortured by the ruins of your crime, that's a fairly good one.



I generally take Bethesda as satirizing 1950s right wing jingoism, conservative values, and The "Good Old Days" given I'm about as left as Alan Moore and he's gleefully batshit insane in a manner I deeply admire.
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I'd say it's more the fact he's a Chinese officer living in enemy territory/a hostile environment with no allies. He might feel guilt for his actions but that's not the only reason he's stayed in the sub.

That and I suppose as Captain he doesn't want to abandon his ship.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
I'd say it's more the fact he's a Chinese officer living in enemy territory/a hostile environment with no allies. He might feel guilt for his actions but that's not the only reason he's stayed in the sub.

That and I suppose as Captain he doesn't want to abandon his ship.
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Also, the only people who speak Chinese live with him until they all slowly go insane.
 
Vergil said:
Oh I'm sure bethesda was just lazy has a deep lore explanation for it.
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Probably. It has the same design as the american submarine seen in Far Harbor, too. There's probably super contrived lend-lease-whatever explanation somewhere hidden in the game files despite the actual reason being "we don't give a fuck lel"
 
CT Phipps said:
The Sole Survivor doesn't speak Norwegian?
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Then why can he read Chinese?
Also why are the terminals on the Norwegian ship in English as well?
Maybe you can make an argument that his time in the army allowed him to learn Chinese and that's why he understands the terminals and what not on the sub, but then why are the terminals and stuff on the Norwegian ship also in easily readable English?
 
Vergil said:
Then why can he read Chinese?
Also why are the terminals on the Norwegian ship in English as well?
Maybe you can make an argument that his time in the army allowed him to learn Chinese and that's why he understands the terminals and what not on the sub, but then why are the terminals and stuff on the Norwegian ship also in easily readable English?
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Yeah, that's just dumb. You win.

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