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Fable 2
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Alphadrop
A right proper chap.
You should of played Lost Chapters rcorporon, you get to kill a dragon, noticed that popped up in your rant a bit 
I do like how in recent interviews Lionhead employees have been trashing Fable 1 which does bring a shred of hope to Fable 2. Contrasted rather nicely by Bethesda defending Oblivion as the peak of RPGs.
Loved Fable myself, didn't hear the hype before I played it and still enjoyed it when I did. Some nice PC mods for it but not many unfortunatly and it's a bugger my brother scratched my disk.
I do like how in recent interviews Lionhead employees have been trashing Fable 1 which does bring a shred of hope to Fable 2. Contrasted rather nicely by Bethesda defending Oblivion as the peak of RPGs.
Loved Fable myself, didn't hear the hype before I played it and still enjoyed it when I did. Some nice PC mods for it but not many unfortunatly and it's a bugger my brother scratched my disk.
Alphadrop said:You should of played Lost Chapters rcorporon, you get to kill a dragon, noticed that popped up in your rant a bit
I do like how in recent interviews Lionhead employees have been trashing Fable 1 which does bring a shred of hope to Fable 2. Contrasted rather nicely by Bethesda defending Oblivion as the peak of RPGs.
Loved Fable myself, didn't hear the hype before I played it and still enjoyed it when I did. Some nice PC mods for it but not many unfortunatly and it's a bugger my brother scratched my disk.
Lol... I only have my PS3 for gaming really, so unless lost chapters comes out there (which it won't) I probably won't get around to playing it.
I had also forgot that Molyneux was behind that other massive pile of garbage, Black & White.
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
rcorporon said:
Your gaming credentials have been revoked.
Black & White was an absolutely fantastic idea. The problem, as is pretty much always the case with Molyneux, was that the execution didn't live up to the ideals. I still absolutely love that game. Wish the kinks didn't get in the way so much, I'd so love to have that giant, shiny golden horse creature I always wanted...rcorporon said:
MrBumble said:I MIGHT pick it for its coop mode but certainly not because I'm searching for a kick-ass rpgThe first one was a decent action-game but nothing near a rpg.
Wrong.Fable was most certainly an RPG.If the developer says it is an RPG, and it has many RPG elements such as leveling up and learning new skills, and swords and magic and whatnot, guess what, its an RPG.
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Just like fallout 3 right?
Why are you even here if even fallout doesn't fall under your criteria of an "Rpg"? Rpgs don't always require a high fantasy setting, and just because a developer insists it's an rpg, doesn't magically make it so.
He's actually quite right about fable not being a rpg. It has elements of an rpg, but that doesn't make it a rpg. It's horribly linear, most of the time your literally going in one direction. There is pretty much no expansive dialogue whatsoever. It's more a quasi acton adventure with some rpg elements. Everything is twitched based, relying more on skill than stats. The stats themselves are redundent, as you pretty much will always become a spellwarrior.
You never have any real choice.
Just like fallout 3 right?
Why are you even here if even fallout doesn't fall under your criteria of an "Rpg"? Rpgs don't always require a high fantasy setting, and just because a developer insists it's an rpg, doesn't magically make it so.
He's actually quite right about fable not being a rpg. It has elements of an rpg, but that doesn't make it a rpg. It's horribly linear, most of the time your literally going in one direction. There is pretty much no expansive dialogue whatsoever. It's more a quasi acton adventure with some rpg elements. Everything is twitched based, relying more on skill than stats. The stats themselves are redundent, as you pretty much will always become a spellwarrior.
You never have any real choice.
jeremy202 said:
So...To sum up your idea, swords, magic and stats are what it takes to be an rpg ? Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Diablo, Demon Stone are rpgs then ! Neat ! Even friggin' Kameo is an rpg ( it has stats, skills, and magic ( but no swords unfortunately ). Didn't know that. Cool !
However...I can smell some sarcasm in your post...So...not quite sure how I should take it.
Pablosdog said:
Let me put it this way.... if the developer says its an RPG, it is.End of story.And Yes, obviously fallout 3 is an RPG.There is a thing called an ACTION RPG, you know, which most rpgs are these days.I cant even think of a D&D PnP style RPG(which you no doubt think is the only kind of RPG and there can be no other type, according to you) that has come out since like 2000(thats when baldurs gate 2 came out I think, which would be the last RPG released according to your flawed definition)
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Also if the developers say it's good then it's good.
Again, I ask: Care to think for yourself?
Just like Heretic, Rune etc. Awesome RPGs those.
lulz...
You didn't read the forum a lot before registering/posting, did you ?
We, here at NMA, usually emphasize on the "role-playing" part in "role-playing game". If you can't influence on the game world by your decisions and actions, if you can't handcraft yourself a very unique character by messing with the stats and then act accordingly to it by being able to select between very different attitudes through dialogs, and finally if the game has a very linear outcome, on which your actions only have little effect, then the "role-playing part" of the game is not really existent and therefore we, here at NMA, usually don't consider it a RPG ( or at least not a good one ). So, no, Baldur's Gate and D&D style ( emphasis put on combat and very few choice and consequence ) is not really a good illustration of role playing because free-roaming does not count as an exemple of "choice".
However, you can call "RPG" whatever you wish, even Forza Motosport ( since it has stats ) but my point still is that Fable, according to my/our definition isn't a RPG, or it is a very, very poor one since it does not really contain choice and consequence other than being able to kill NPCs ( but, what a shock, no children ).
You didn't read the forum a lot before registering/posting, did you ?
We, here at NMA, usually emphasize on the "role-playing" part in "role-playing game". If you can't influence on the game world by your decisions and actions, if you can't handcraft yourself a very unique character by messing with the stats and then act accordingly to it by being able to select between very different attitudes through dialogs, and finally if the game has a very linear outcome, on which your actions only have little effect, then the "role-playing part" of the game is not really existent and therefore we, here at NMA, usually don't consider it a RPG ( or at least not a good one ). So, no, Baldur's Gate and D&D style ( emphasis put on combat and very few choice and consequence ) is not really a good illustration of role playing because free-roaming does not count as an exemple of "choice".
However, you can call "RPG" whatever you wish, even Forza Motosport ( since it has stats ) but my point still is that Fable, according to my/our definition isn't a RPG, or it is a very, very poor one since it does not really contain choice and consequence other than being able to kill NPCs ( but, what a shock, no children ).
cronicler
Lurksalot
jeremy202:
I think you are missing the points of definition;
A Rpg game is a game (FP,TP,Isometric or Japanese style combat sheets and 8 pixel cute dolls moving around) whose aim is to tell you a story; to make you feel you are experiencing the story and changing the world in some ways (the world portrayed in the game). The numbers/stats/Items/Bullet time/free running is there just to provide gimmicks while telling the story.
An Action game is a game that aims to deliver you a kill kill, smash smash experience. If it has the gimmicks (usually) associated with rpgs (char sheet/levels/skills that improve over time) it is called an Action RPG.
Fallout was an RPG. Planescape: Torment was an RPG. Temple of Elemental Evil was an RPG (and it is the perfect repesentation of D&D(Bleh game imo) combat system and it was based on the frigging first storyline of D&D.)
Diablo was/is an Action-Rpg. Nox was/is one. Hell every so called jrpg is an action rpg.
Mixing different play elements is not an easy task to succeed. MAny corp. suits/market analysts think Action-Rpg's are "the shit". They are bought by both action gamers and rpg gamers. How can it go wrong?... Just count how many unoriginal Diablo clones you saw and threw to the trash bin since Diablo one.
Now bethesda is tying to make a/an Action-Rpg-First Person Shooter. it may be enjoyable/it might be pile of refuse, who knows? Since they are only showing heavily edited pieces (kinda like final fantasy teasers: oh so cool characters and cgi with 3 seconds of "actual/real" game play) designed to capture ooh shiny feeling... who knows...
On Fable: Yes it "was" a unique rpg with the main story being the life of a child who took up a sword and became a warrior/mercenary/hero/villain. But oh gods please; the whole story was then transplanted and set in the kingdom of dumbed down politically correctdom, dumbed downsville. It had a idiotic hero academy for crying out loud.
because they beat the meta story so much with nerf/politically correct/bunnyland stick; there wasn't any tangible story left. They managed to take a very unique approach with tons of potentials and turn it to a diablo parody... The writer in me crys blood and pus.
Edit: Since when do people belive in Press Releases? The official job of a PR spokesman is to lie and cover the parent company's mistakes (or sell you a product at inflated prices). Unless someone who is not a suit in the creation process comes forward and shows you things asks your opinion and then tells you i will consider or go to hell, we are doing it this was because this this this. (Age of decadence and Diablo 3 respectively)
Edit 2: I cant understand why do people go fanboy over companies. yes i am a fanboy for fallout, warcraft, starcraft and diablo universes ( also albion, last days of gaia, monkey island and a lot more i get the urge to write here.). This doesn't make me a Blizzard fanboi. Yes i am curious what other troubles Jimmy will face, but this doesn't stop me from saying: The rts game looks/feels meh compared to recent releases or WTF is it with with female barbarians ffs? They are human and they are as bad scenario writers as you and me (just with more experience
). As it is known the good writers are only named Naomi Novik
I think you are missing the points of definition;
A Rpg game is a game (FP,TP,Isometric or Japanese style combat sheets and 8 pixel cute dolls moving around) whose aim is to tell you a story; to make you feel you are experiencing the story and changing the world in some ways (the world portrayed in the game). The numbers/stats/Items/Bullet time/free running is there just to provide gimmicks while telling the story.
An Action game is a game that aims to deliver you a kill kill, smash smash experience. If it has the gimmicks (usually) associated with rpgs (char sheet/levels/skills that improve over time) it is called an Action RPG.
Fallout was an RPG. Planescape: Torment was an RPG. Temple of Elemental Evil was an RPG (and it is the perfect repesentation of D&D(Bleh game imo) combat system and it was based on the frigging first storyline of D&D.)
Diablo was/is an Action-Rpg. Nox was/is one. Hell every so called jrpg is an action rpg.
Mixing different play elements is not an easy task to succeed. MAny corp. suits/market analysts think Action-Rpg's are "the shit". They are bought by both action gamers and rpg gamers. How can it go wrong?... Just count how many unoriginal Diablo clones you saw and threw to the trash bin since Diablo one.
Now bethesda is tying to make a/an Action-Rpg-First Person Shooter. it may be enjoyable/it might be pile of refuse, who knows? Since they are only showing heavily edited pieces (kinda like final fantasy teasers: oh so cool characters and cgi with 3 seconds of "actual/real" game play) designed to capture ooh shiny feeling... who knows...
On Fable: Yes it "was" a unique rpg with the main story being the life of a child who took up a sword and became a warrior/mercenary/hero/villain. But oh gods please; the whole story was then transplanted and set in the kingdom of dumbed down politically correctdom, dumbed downsville. It had a idiotic hero academy for crying out loud.
because they beat the meta story so much with nerf/politically correct/bunnyland stick; there wasn't any tangible story left. They managed to take a very unique approach with tons of potentials and turn it to a diablo parody... The writer in me crys blood and pus.
Edit: Since when do people belive in Press Releases? The official job of a PR spokesman is to lie and cover the parent company's mistakes (or sell you a product at inflated prices). Unless someone who is not a suit in the creation process comes forward and shows you things asks your opinion and then tells you i will consider or go to hell, we are doing it this was because this this this. (Age of decadence and Diablo 3 respectively)
Edit 2: I cant understand why do people go fanboy over companies. yes i am a fanboy for fallout, warcraft, starcraft and diablo universes ( also albion, last days of gaia, monkey island and a lot more i get the urge to write here.). This doesn't make me a Blizzard fanboi. Yes i am curious what other troubles Jimmy will face, but this doesn't stop me from saying: The rts game looks/feels meh compared to recent releases or WTF is it with with female barbarians ffs? They are human and they are as bad scenario writers as you and me (just with more experience
). As it is known the good writers are only named Naomi Novik 
I thought jeremy202 was being sarcastic.
cronicler
Lurksalot
And the bonehead award goes to "Cronicler"
All hail "Cronicler". I present you with my apology that in a fit of "argh" moment (I had come from beth forums at the time) i assaulted the first post i saw i guess.
Bloodlust is a bad thing people, try to keep a clear head not to make my mistake
All hail "Cronicler". I present you with my apology that in a fit of "argh" moment (I had come from beth forums at the time) i assaulted the first post i saw i guess.
Bloodlust is a bad thing people, try to keep a clear head not to make my mistake
TheWesDude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
when/if fable 2 hits the pc, im 99% gonna buy it. the first one was an enjoyable action game jaunt, with some exploits and its save mechanisim really felt like a console game that led to more exploits, but it was a fun game.
KillerJoe123
First time out of the vault
I agree with wesdude. Fable 1 was very entertaining the first and second time I played it through. It may not be an rpg in the NMA since of being but it had a lot of qualities that made it a great game. Of course it needed some improvements and fixes but what game doesn't. Even in fallout, there was some shortcommings but we all still love it despite them. I believe that fable 2 will address many of the problems from the first game and will be an exellent game to waiste several hours on.
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TorontoReign
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Funny I discovered "Magic Carpet" when I was 16, but it soon lost it's magicness and now its just carpet a.k.a bush....or pussy.