fallout 2 sex appeal trait

Discussion in 'Fallout RPG Gameplay & Tech' started by scotty, Dec 31, 2009.

  1. scotty

    scotty First time out of the vault

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    Dec 25, 2009
    just starting the game and just got a Q on this trait...my charisma is 4 and i know that means I lose 1 charisma talking to other males (im male). Does that mean I wont be able to get as many NPCs to join me if i have it? I know charisma has to be an even number or something...

    probably only good for females right, might just take something else..
     
  2. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    I think it just affects reaction (which basically doesn't matter) and bartering, not quest options* or NPCs.

    * Other than quest options that directly reference Sex Appeal.
     
  3. scotty

    scotty First time out of the vault

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    Dec 25, 2009
    but dont reactions affect quest options then? or is it mainly down to speech and INT. if it doesnt affect any quest stuff (other than sex appeal) i will take, more interesting than anything else on offer..
     
  4. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Only for less than a handful of critters in the entire game, and even then in largely insignificant ways.
     
  5. NyquilAddict

    NyquilAddict First time out of the vault

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    Oct 3, 2009
    Sex Appeal:
    +10% speech skill towards opposite sex
    -10% speech skill towards same sex
     
  6. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Citation needed.
     
  7. DGT

    DGT It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 7, 2006
    LOL. Wikipedia much, Per?
    Seriously, though, where did that 10% come from?
     
  8. Timeslip

    Timeslip Water Chip? Been There, Done That
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    Aug 15, 2007
    Sex appeal has no hardcoded effects on speech, charisma or anything else whatsoever. All you get is what's in the critter's scripts.
     
  9. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    Is there a list of critters affected by the Sex Appeal trait somewhere?
     
  10. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    There must be something, though: you get different barter prices when talking to someone for the first time with Sex Appeal on or off. I figured it was CH +1 or -1 for whichever calculation is used to set the barter level.
     
  11. Timeslip

    Timeslip Water Chip? Been There, Done That
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    Aug 15, 2007
    No, really, there's nothing. Believe me, I've spent more than enough time digging around in fallouts code. :P Any and all effects come from the scripts.

    As far as scripts are concerned, there's a check in GetReaction in modreact.h. That function is used by pretty much every critter (348 of them, according to grep,) to set up their initial reaction. The effect is to improve the critters initial reaction by 20 for opposite sex, and reduce it by 20 for the same sex. I presume that's what has an effect on the barter prices.

    There's debug messages in there too, so if you turn on debug logging you should see the sex appeal effects.
     
  12. elira-lena

    elira-lena First time out of the vault

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    Jan 16, 2010
    I don't know if it works for the game you're talking about (cause I don't know which one exactly it is...)
    All I know is that from the RPG that while also talking to the same gendered sex you loose 40 speech... which isn't cool. ultimately, unless you want to play a gigalo character it's wise not to choose that trait. actually in all honesty it's just not a very worthy trait.
     
  13. el_jefe_of_ny

    el_jefe_of_ny Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jan 6, 2010
    I couldnt get my characters to be a porn star without Kama sutra master or Sex Appeal on.

    So... not so useless. No matter how many I screwed, didnt get chosen. Had Prizefighter on them all.
     
  14. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    You need a high Endurance to be able to get Pornstar, being a Prizefighter also helps.
     
  15. el_jefe_of_ny

    el_jefe_of_ny Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jan 6, 2010
    I took buffout's, 2x and it dasn't work pa.

    I went for mega-slut traits. I had sex appeal, kama sutra, Gigolo and like 6 endurance. I didnt get sexpert yet but eventually got that too.

    Made some cash on puttin' out
     
  16. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    Can I ask this question again? Are NPCs affected by the Sex Appeal trait listed anywhere? I would like to try a playthrough taking Sex Appeal to use it properly.
     
  17. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Search my guide for "sex appeal" and it should give you all five instances or so where it matters. Phyllis, Myron and Little Jesus come to mind.
     
  18. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    Thanks Per, didn't think to check your guide. :)

    But seriously... only 5? Well, anyway, it'll be an adventure in itself trying to do a slut-run. 8-)
     
  19. Timeslip

    Timeslip Water Chip? Been There, Done That
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    Aug 15, 2007
    vcnancy is the only script that checks for it explicitly. These scripts check it as part of dude_sex_rating: (i.e. you can overcome the lack of sex_appeal with high chr etc.) dcbilly, dcfranki, dcmetzge, dcsheila, nccorbro, nclabish, ncliljes, nctray, ecravpty. So there's somewhat more than 5, but there's no cases where it's vital. (Even in vcnancy, which I assume is Phyllis's script, you can skip the check by having the kama sutra perk, >8 charisma or >75 speech)

    Of course, pretty much every critter checks it as part of setting up their initial reaction too.

    Something else I just noticed; there's no gender check in dude_sex_rating. the sex appeal trait has an effect of +2 charisma regardless of who you're after. :P
     
  20. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    LOL :lol:

    Somehow that does not surprise me.