Fallout 3 : A succesful re-branding

If you sai so krysalistbut for me I try to enjoy the game at a low level for now.

...a giant world to explore,
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Not as giant as he could/should be... if you compare with rpeviuous fallout game. We "stuck" only with DC and the sourrounding area...

Anyway, Beth could have done better with less from Oblivion, but this is my opinion.

After some hours in the game I begin to hate Fallout for the same reason I hate Oblivion : :puppy-dog:

@MrCaleb; we've wait so long for this... I trying to configure F2 to work well on my vista juste to not commit suacide.
 
Yep, I think sadness describes this. Of all the topics I have been reading about FO3 recently, I think that this one is the best. It it sadness, it does not throw mud at the game, but it captures exactly what a Fallout fan feels. If they would only rename the game and either let someone finish Van Burden and release it as FO3 or create FO3.
If I focus for a second on game play and combat in particular, I don't understand why was it so hard to include the option to play out combat in RT or TB? It does not matter it would not have been balanced, it's no multi player game, so what the experiences would have been different? At least that and it would have been a bit more enjoyable.
Well... there it goes. I love Fallout, I respect and admire the original creators and I am so sad that this happened.
 
krysalist said:
I mean, I wanted them to fail, just like I wanted Rockstar to fail at bringing GTA from a top-down perspective, to a 3D openworld. I just wanted to hang on to the past, to my positive memories of the old games, and not have to contend with game developers prancing on my old favorites like bedbugs on my posturpedic.
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I know people may not agree with me and 3D GTA series actually worked well in commercial level, I played GTA IV in PS3 and after 1-2 days I was sure that the game is utterly rubbish, and totally stupid.

I tried to play other GTA 3D titles due to massive success, and same results for me.

Exact same thing happened with titles such as Postal and Worms World Party. Have you played Postal 3D, it's terrible, but original postal was an awesomely fun game.

I know it's not a good example but Prince of Persia series are executed perfectly, 3D great platform gaming, I'm not fan of the series but I can see the great implementation and great re-branding.

Bethesda did an easy choice, "Here is the engine, here is the world, everyone loves 3D shooters, we already did a FP RPG called Oblivion even though it sucked so bad there are lots of weird people who loved it, so let's do it in the same way."

They did and worked. It's not re-branding they used their own resources, and lemme tell you Fallout 4 will be. Exactly same with some interface tweaks, slightly better graphics and slightly better AI. Since people buying it, why bother to make it even better, just burn money to do marketing, there are lots of players out there I'm sure someone will like it.

P.S. I liked Fallout 3 and I do play it, however I hated 3D (it's not Bethesda's fallout), I hated graphics (IMHO it looks rubbish, look at all AAA titles in 2008, and that's enough to figure out), I hated FPS bit of it, I hated VATS, I hated that I have to use VATS. Overall it could have been so much better, and I'm pissed to Bethesda because now we won't get original Fallout back ever! They got the IP and they fu**ed it.

My only hope is a good company will buy the rights for Pocket PC, PSP, iPhone etc. and will make an isometric old school Fallout. (dreaming...)
 
sentorio said:
P.S. I liked Fallout 3 and I do play it, however I hated 3D (it's not Bethesda's fallout), I hated graphics (IMHO it looks rubbish, look at all AAA titles in 2008, and that's enough to figure out), I hated FPS bit of it, I hated VATS, I hated that I have to use VATS. Overall it could have been so much better, and I'm pissed to Bethesda because now we won't get original Fallout back ever! They got the IP and they fu**ed it.
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Lol, you play it yet you hated everything about it, it seems. Interesting.

I think what was meant by rebranding or at least what I see as rebranding is that fact that they changed the way you play Fallout. The fact Bethesda used the TES engine has nothing to do with the rebranding. In fact it is incorporated in it... I don't understand why that is so unclear.
 
Also, Bethsoft didn't "steal" Fallout. We still have Fallout 1 and 2. This Fallout 3 doesn't make those games any better or worse than they ever were. Further more, Bethesda has been doing open ended RPGs years before Fallout was conceived. If anyone were to buy the IP, I'm glad it was Bethesda. Obsidian could just as well fucked it up like they did KOTOR 2.
 
KOTOR2 was rushed, it had to be finished within a year.
Its not Obsidian's lack of talent, and for all their mistakes you may mention they came up with a very interesting story.

Bethesda, well lack of talent is all I need to say.
We could have waiting longer without Bethesda buying the Fallout franchise.
 
Of course it's up to taste. I think Bethesda does what they do very well. They make huge sandbox worlds and let you play in them. I was excited when I first heard they had bought the franchise, because Fallout seemed right up there alley. I was skeptical about the questing and dialogue, but they seem to have done really well in that regard. And they didn't do first person just because it's the "in" thing. They've been doing it since 1993 with Arena. That's just how they see RPGs as being best conveyed, not because they are catering to the lowest common denominator. That award goes to Spore.
 
chaosapiant said:
Of course it's up to taste. I think Bethesda does what they do very well. They make huge sandbox worlds and let you play in them. I was excited when I first heard they had bought the franchise, because Fallout seemed right up there alley. I was skeptical about the questing and dialogue, but they seem to have done really well in that regard. And they didn't do first person just because it's the "in" thing. They've been doing it since 1993 with Arena. That's just how they see RPGs as being best conveyed, not because they are catering to the lowest common denominator. That award goes to Spore.
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Yeah if you want lame, play spore for an hour, you'll love Fallout 3 afterwards.

I agree though. The amount of detail in DC is amazing, I found. I don't get it...I suppose, is what it comes down to...
 
I am really looking forward to the DLC and inevitable expansions this game will get. I do wish you could continue after the main quest ends, but from what I understand, that might not be possible anyway.
 
The biggest complaint I have regarding Beths' treatment of the game is how broken and/or simplistic the dialogs are.

It's hard to care for a lot of the characters and you can tell that they TRIED to come up with some unique ones. And how hard could it be to have properly branching alternate dialog?

Yesterday I assassinated Tenpenny, then afterward attempted a peaceful solution to the ghoul/human tension. Talking to the captain of the guard (Gustavo I think?) netted the information that with Tenpenny dead he was taking charge of the settlement. Awesome, a realistic cause and effect for my actions.

The very next response to one of my ghoul comments was along the lines of "Until Tenpenny says otherwise this is how things are."

The whole dialog tree was filled with Tennpennys is alive/Tennpenny is dead contradictions. That conversation alone was what pushed me over the edge to "fuck it, I'm letting the ghouls in the basement."

FO3 is a good game, but it keeps beating me over the head with instances where a little more playtesting and polish could have made it a GREAT game.
 
Ihniwid said:
sentorio said:
P.S. I liked Fallout 3 and I do play it, however I hated 3D (it's not Bethesda's fallout), I hated graphics (IMHO it looks rubbish, look at all AAA titles in 2008, and that's enough to figure out), I hated FPS bit of it, I hated VATS, I hated that I have to use VATS. Overall it could have been so much better, and I'm pissed to Bethesda because now we won't get original Fallout back ever! They got the IP and they fu**ed it.
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Lol, you play it yet you hated everything about it, it seems. Interesting.
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What else we can do?
I'm even forcing myself to play this game, just to finish almost everything in it, so then I can say I played FO3, finished it and I can talk about it (in this case, how it is not a true sequal).

It's a pain, I've been waiting for years just to get another failure. They stabbed me very deep...
 
Public said:
Ihniwid said:
sentorio said:
P.S. I liked Fallout 3 and I do play it, however I hated 3D (it's not Bethesda's fallout), I hated graphics (IMHO it looks rubbish, look at all AAA titles in 2008, and that's enough to figure out), I hated FPS bit of it, I hated VATS, I hated that I have to use VATS. Overall it could have been so much better, and I'm pissed to Bethesda because now we won't get original Fallout back ever! They got the IP and they fu**ed it.
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Lol, you play it yet you hated everything about it, it seems. Interesting.
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What else we can do?
I'm even forcing myself to play this game, just to finish almost everything in it, so then I can say I played FO3, finished it and I can talk about it (in this case, how it is not a true sequal).

It's a pain, I've been waiting for years just to get another failure. They stabbed me very deep...
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That bad eh?

Sorry to hear that Public. Maybe Fallout 4 will make you happier someday... Or just go play the first two again and again. Seems the world is moving on though.
 
I don't want to play first two Fallouts. I want another, better and prettier Fallout!

Probably I will not even notice the existance of FO4, but there is noo damn chances that Bethesda will suddenly change the whole game's mechanics. They will be sucking from their new Fallout game untill it drains up (the franchise expires)
 
Public said:
I don't want to play first two Fallouts. I want another, better and prettier Fallout!

Probably I will not even notice the existance of FO4, but there is noo damn chances that Bethesda will suddenly change the whole game's mechanics. They will be sucking from their new Fallout game untill it drains up (the franchise expires)
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Nah I disagree. I felt Oblivion was decent but then The Shiver Isles expansion blew me away. They have it in them, if you look at that expansion. They have the ability to turn over a well known idea and make it vibrant.

Wait to see what happens with Fallout 3... Thats all we can do.
 
Maybe they can turn its stupidity into something more stupid, but they will not turn the mechanics and technical side of the game.
 
The more I hear the more I dread the fact that I will have to try it out sooner or later.

Boring characters, bad quests, poor design locations, horrible ending.

Well I beat FOPOS, I should be able to survive this too.
 
Ihniwid said:
Public said:
I don't want to play first two Fallouts. I want another, better and prettier Fallout!

Probably I will not even notice the existance of FO4, but there is noo damn chances that Bethesda will suddenly change the whole game's mechanics. They will be sucking from their new Fallout game untill it drains up (the franchise expires)
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Nah I disagree. I felt Oblivion was decent but then The Shiver Isles expansion blew me away. They have it in them, if you look at that expansion. They have the ability to turn over a well known idea and make it vibrant.

Wait to see what happens with Fallout 3... Thats all we can do.
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This post made me stop and think for a bit. I think you're right, I think Shivering Isle was a much more atmospheric and more cohesive experience than Oblivion as a whole. It HAD choose and lose scenarios where you could not experience every aspect without a replay, it had some of the best dialog in the game. Maybe Bethesdas problem is that they're biting off more than they can chew? That the desire to make it big and sandboxy just dilutes it?

Now I'm more curious to see what FO3 expansions will offer than I previously was.
 
TheLastOutlaw said:
Ihniwid said:
Public said:
I don't want to play first two Fallouts. I want another, better and prettier Fallout!

Probably I will not even notice the existance of FO4, but there is noo damn chances that Bethesda will suddenly change the whole game's mechanics. They will be sucking from their new Fallout game untill it drains up (the franchise expires)
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Nah I disagree. I felt Oblivion was decent but then The Shiver Isles expansion blew me away. They have it in them, if you look at that expansion. They have the ability to turn over a well known idea and make it vibrant.

Wait to see what happens with Fallout 3... Thats all we can do.
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This post made me stop and think for a bit. I think you're right, I think Shivering Isle was a much more atmospheric and more cohesive experience than Oblivion as a whole. It HAD choose and lose scenarios where you could not experience every aspect without a replay, it had some of the best dialog in the game. Maybe Bethesdas problem is that they're biting off more than they can chew? That the desire to make it big and sandboxy just dilutes it?

Now I'm more curious to see what FO3 expansions will offer than I previously was.
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Yeah for sure Outlaw. They tend to get way out of control on the size of their projects and it tends to look sterile when its finished. Todd Howard has even admitted to starting the game (Fallout) out as a small piece but it kept getting bigger and bigger.

Same sort of deal happened with Oblivion. There was a game you could either admire for its attempt at scale or just complain about all its faults. But it had a glimmer which came through very well once The Shivering Isles was completed.

I think the same thing could happen here. It might not...but its very possible. We can only wait and see.
 
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