Fallout 3 at E3 - GayGamer

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GayGamer put up their bit on Fallout 3:<blockquote>The developers told us they looked at Oblivion as a learning experience for Bethesda’s next-gen ideas, and the fruits of that process were immediately evident. While the presentation wasn’t much more than a narrated demo, essentially an extended trailer of live gameplay, it proved (to me, at least) that not only is Fallout 3 worth the years of waiting, but that Bethesda’s focus on enormous worlds with exacting details makes an amazingly well-realized fit with the Fallout legacy. And most importantly of all, the token traits of Fallout are still intact: retro-future design, radiation, stims, super mutants and the lot.

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In other atomic news, the miniature nuclear bomb launcher looked just awesome in action, and Oblivion’s rather massive inventory system has been repaired with some help from traditional Fallout skills: rather than accumulating 15 identical items, you can salvage parts from a weapon to upgrade any weapon of the same type. If your repair skill is high enough, of course.</blockquote>Link: GayGamer: E3 07: Fallout 3.

Spotted on Fallout 3: APNB.
 
Brother None said:
...the token traits of Fallout are still intact...
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Token is an apt term here.

In other atomic news, the miniature nuclear bomb launcher looked just awesome in action
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Meh, old news, I want to hear about the portable black-hole generator powered by exploding nuclear fuel rods mixed with toilet water. (has this been announced yet?)

Is it just me or are reviewers being handed a list of talking/bullet points to highlight in the reviews?

The key one being don't say anything negative about Fallout 3: Bloody Mess.
 
Any proper preview includes likes and dislikes. There is not a game in the world that everybody likes every aspect of universally. It just doesn't happen.
Thus these idiots expose themselves as pandering children who are just hap-hap-happy to get a free ride from Bethesda.

By Preston Radcliffe's big ol' nose, gaming journalism needs a major, major shakeup. The level of unprofessionalism is appalling.
 
I think the fellows over at GayGamer do a pretty good job, and that Vault 69er should recognize the difference between professional and nonprofessional previews.

Hell, we have to wrangle an invite to E3 in the future, just look at that spread.
 
Well yes, my comment on gaming journalism as a whole came from me thinking it was another professional site (and basically how annoyed I am at the mainstream magazines and sites).
A misunderstaning.

Still, whether amateur or professional media I take a dim view of this sugar filled preview approach.
 
Brother None said:
Tannhauser said:
Hell, we have to wrangle an invite to E3 in the future, just look at that spread.
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That spread was a bit wrong, actually. Take a look at this beauty. All invitees, 'cept us.
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But we're not real journalists, we don't sell advertising space or providing glowing reviews no matter what.
 
Vault 69er said:
Any proper preview includes likes and dislikes. There is not a game in the world that everybody likes every aspect of universally. It just doesn't happen.
Thus these idiots expose themselves as pandering children who are just hap-hap-happy to get a free ride from Bethesda.
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It was brief preview, not a review.

It's akin to loving everything you see in a movie trailer. It doesn't mean that the movie is flawless, it doesn't even mean that you will like the final product. All it means is that the limited bits of the finished product you saw appealed to you. Nothing more.
 
Oblique Strategy said:
Vault 69er said:
Any proper preview includes likes and dislikes. There is not a game in the world that everybody likes every aspect of universally. It just doesn't happen.
Thus these idiots expose themselves as pandering children who are just hap-hap-happy to get a free ride from Bethesda.
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It was brief preview, not a review.

It's akin to loving everything you see in a movie trailer. It doesn't mean that the movie is flawless, it doesn't even mean that you will like the final product. All it means is that the limited bits of the finished product you saw appealed to you. Nothing more.
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I've seen actual previews you know, and some can be highly critical.
How is it possible for instance that every single previewer loves the nukular catapult, when a large section of fans regard it as ridiculous at best?
 
Oblique Strategy said:
It was brief preview, not a review.

It's akin to loving everything you see in a movie trailer. It doesn't mean that the movie is flawless, it doesn't even mean that you will like the final product. All it means is that the limited bits of the finished product you saw appealed to you. Nothing more.
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They're game journalists, not game fanbois. Or at least, that's what they're supposed to be. Yet so far no one in the 'mainstream' press ('cept Desslock and Dan of PC Gamer) has been able to utter even the slightest *hint* of negativity about what they've seen. Which is completely ridiculous. Most previews even go 'Yeah, this is completely what Fallout needs' neglecting to note that many of the bits of the original are now gone or changed.

You don't see Roger Ebert praise everything about whatever newest movie trailer he sees, do you?
 
Sander said:
They're game journalists, not game fanbois. Or at least, that's what they're supposed to be. Yet so far no one in the 'mainstream' press ('cept Desslock and Dan of PC Gamer) has been able to utter even the slightest *hint* of negativity about what they've seen. Which is completely ridiculous. Most previews even go 'Yeah, this is completely what Fallout needs' neglecting to note that many of the bits of the original are now gone or changed.
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I simply see it as a case of the writers not seeing anything but snippets that Bethesda thought would be appealing to them.

Furthermore, they are likely hesitant to come to firm judgments about anything in a game that won't even be feature complete for a year.

Sander said:
You don't see Roger Ebert praise everything about whatever newest movie trailer he sees, do you?
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Of course not, I've never seen him review of a movie trailer. He waits for something more substantial before he comes to his conclusions.
 
Oblique Strategy said:
Of course not, I've never seen him review of a movie trailer. He waits for something more substantial before he comes to his conclusions.
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Stop strawmanning. Nobody is asking for a review. But one can be critical of aspects of a trailer that they might not like.
It's simply impossible that everybody likes everything in the Fallout 3 previews when real people I talk to every day have their doubts.
 
Oblique Strategy said:
I simply see it as a case of the writers not seeing anything but snippets that Bethesda thought would be appealing to them.

Furthermore, they are likely hesitant to come to firm judgments about anything in a game that won't even be feature complete for a year.
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No they aren't. They've been praising this thing to hell and back, how the hell is that 'hesistant to come to firm judgments'?

Oblique Strategy said:
Of course not, I've never seen him review of a movie trailer. He waits for something more substantial before he comes to his conclusions.
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Thank you for ignoring the point and harping on a tangential detail. The point was that actual proper reviewers, previewers and journalist have a critical eye and highlight multiple points of view of the same content, no matter how small the amount of content. Game journalists, apparently, are completely incapable of doing so.

Note, again, that we're not talking about judging the entire game based on this, but purely about judging the released content so far.
 
Vault 69er said:
Stop strawmanning. Nobody is asking for a review. But one can be critical of aspects of a trailer that they might not like.
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Absolutely. But if you're shown a few short minutes of carefully arranged gameplay and features, are you going to be more likely, or less likely to find it appealing when the person setting up the preview is being paid to make it look as nice as possible?

Vault 69er said:
It's simply impossible that everybody likes everything in the Fallout 3 previews when real people I talk to every day have their doubts.
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Several things to remember:

- The preview articles are being written by a handful of journalists. You are probably talking to a greater number of people. You are going to get more varied opinions.

- You are probably talking to people who share your views of Fallout in general, as Fallout communities tend to be rather clique-ish in that regard.
 
Oblique Strategy said:
Absolutely. But if you're shown a few short minutes of carefully arranged gameplay and features, are you going to be more likely, or less likely to find it appealing when the person setting up the preview is being paid to make it look as nice as possible?
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I do not read previews for propaganda. If I want propaganda I'll go straight to the source, the developers.
Previewers should have a far more critical stance than they do now.

- The preview articles are being written by a handful of journalists. You are probably talking to a greater number of people. You are going to get more varied opinions.
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If all journalists are so homogeneous as to all have the same opinion.. it's time to get new journalists.

- You are probably talking to people who share your views of Fallout in general, as Fallout communities tend to be rather clique-ish in that regard.
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Bull. I know people who like most of what they've seen of Fallout 3, but hate nukular catapults, or the presence of the BoS and so forth.
 
Vault 69er said:
I do not read previews for propaganda. If I want propaganda I'll go straight to the source, the developers.
Previewers should have a far more critical stance than they do now.
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I agree.

Vault 69er said:
If all journalists are so homogeneous as to all have the same opinion.. it's time to get new journalists.
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Agreed, but we're not talking about more than a few short minutes of "Wow cool!" shit that Bethesda pulled out to show them. The inevitable previews of the playable version will likely produce more varied opinions.

Bull. I know people who like most of what they've seen of Fallout 3, but hate nukular catapults, or the presence of the BoS and so forth.
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Ask yourself this question:

"How many of these journalists Fallout fans?" I don't mean the "I can quote all of the dialogue and give a verbal walkthrough at the drop of a hat" types, but the kind of people who have an established affinity for the series?

I think you'll find the answer is "Not many"

They really don't have the context to work from where they can notice something horribly, horribly out of place in the game world. Something like the nuclear cannon which Fallout fans of every stripe seem to loathe.
 
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