Fallout 3 at PAX: RPGamer

[Texas Renegade]

I will say this for American youth today, they are statistically less likely to drink alcohol, die in a car wreck, do drugs, drop out of school, or become a teenage parent then any group in the last 50 or so years.

 

[Brother None]

Quit discussing the quality/behaviour on another forum, guys. We generally discourage it outside of cursory notes, as it edges towards cross-site trolling. Call us insular, but we're not one for the "mock the other guy" game.

so i see every day how dumber this generation has become.

Almost as precious as the article quoted.

Seeing such statements badly misspelled is always funny, but remember Jesus is an ESL speaker (his first language is Aramaic, no? I dunno. Ask Mel Gibson)

People are more or less exactly like they have always been, including a tendency it seems to think thing are going downhill.

Yeah no kidding. As a historian with quite a few points in social sciences (anthropology mostly, sadly, since I like sociology better), it never ceases to amaze me how much this keeps cycling in. It's like people never learn.

I'm also surprised by the market attitude, guys like Ken Levine who think that somehow gamers are different now from 10 years back and who thinks the SS2-dumbed-down-game that is BioShock can serve to "educate people". That's not really how it works, K-K-K-Ken.

Call me naive, but I think there's a sizeable market of intelligent gamers on consoles as well as on PCs - though kind of per definition the market share of intelligent gamers is higher on PC. It's just publishers that keep ignoring their existence, and that just means the console kiddies stereotype becomes easier to uphold.

 

[Public]

It's easier to sell a simple game to stupid masses, than to an intelligent person.

 

[Ar.Pi]

K-K-K-Ken.

Haha! Loved that!

 

[thefalloutfan]

It's easier to sell a simple game to stupid masses, than to an intelligent person.

Are you implying you're the intelligent guy and the other gamers are stupid?

 

[syllogz]

@4too:

Yeah, "Turn on, tune in, drop out"

(and I refer to it's original meaning, see wiki, not the other connotations.)

 

[Gauss Pistol]

the P.C. VS console intelligence debate is pointless. it cost more money to make a game for consoles; licenses, certifications, learning the new architecture and so on. Thus Making more complex, less consumer friendly games like fallout and some space sim type games
is only economically viable on PC where there is less overhead. I play games across all platforms and the biggest difference is the smug sense of satisfaction PC only gamers get saying the phrase Console Kiddies.

 

[Brother None]

the P.C. VS console intelligence debate is pointless.

Uh, thanks, but notice how nobody was really engaging in a PC vs console intelligence debate. So, uh, where did that come from?

 

[Gauss Pistol]

Call me naive, but I think there's a sizeable market of intelligent gamers on consoles as well as on PCs - though kind of per definition the market share of intelligent gamers is higher on PC. It's just publishers that keep ignoring their existence, and that just means the console kiddies stereotype becomes easier to uphold.

 

[Brother None]

Yes, that's me pointing out there are intelligent gamers on consoles and pointing out "console kiddie" is a stereotype.

So I repeat: Huh?

 

[Gauss Pistol]

A backhanded compliment at best seeing as you state in the same post that a higher percentage of PC gamers are intelligent just wondering where that info is located

 

[Brother None]

"Intelligent gamers" is not the same thing as "gamers who are intelligent".

PC has a tradition of a platform for more intelligent games. This is a choice of publishers. The fact that intelligent games get published more on PCs than consoles does kind of mean that by definition intelligent gamers are a bigger part of the market for PCs.

Not to mention the market differences due to the way the platform bases are built up, PCs being a multifunctional tool while consoles tend to be generational graphic-focused tools.

Backhanded compliment? I specifically point out the problem with the console market is due to publisher perspective and not due to the inherent structure of the market itself and you want to pretend I'm playing the arrogant PC gamer? What?

 

[Gauss Pistol]

I'm not calling you out in particular, but i still see it as a backhanded compliment. Just to put this out there I am a PC guy myself.

But saying there is a lack of intelligent games on console due to publishers, then saying that them publishing these "intelligent" games on PC demonstrates a higher amount of gamers who are intelligent on PC doesn't say anything because the lower overhead for the publishers on PC let them profit off the Small intelligent audience.

 

[Brother None]

Sure, that's one of the base motivations, but it's a cause-and-effect thing. It doesn't matter what caused the intelligent gamer audience to flock to PC, the fact is that they have. I mean, it doesn't make much sense of intelligent gamers to stick purely to console when it doesn't offer what they want.

And it really is about the type of game you're playing, not what kind of person you are. Plenty of intelligent people only like shooters, they don't like their brains challenged by games. It doesn't say anything about their intelligence, just about whether or not they like intelligent games.