Fallout 3 on XBox live

[yevinorion]

Oh dear, I remember the days when you used to get this stuff from free

As do we all. M$ pretty much single-handedly pioneered the whole next-gen microtransaction phenomenon with Xbox Live.

Bethesda knows about this more than most, as with Morrowind, they had quite a few extras and mini-expansions that were downloadable for free, yet with Oblivion being on 360, they had to charge for this content. As such, they couldn't charge the console guys and not the PC guys, so they started charging them too. Expect more of the same for Fallout 3.

 

[Nology5890]

We Xbox users still do get stuff for free, from companies that (sort of) care, like Rockstar. They released some picture packs and a theme when the second GTA IV trailer came out; the picture packs were free. Lots of Xbox users feel that we're being gipped, but we can't change the system when it's monopolized by Microsoft.

 

[smurf505]

Feel I should point out that for anyone with a usb stick or with their 360 networked to their PC its quite easy to use your own images as the background.

EDIT: Brilliant.....my first post in the years of coming here and its about xbox360 backgrounds.

 

[Brother None]

EDIT: Brilliant.....my first post in the years of coming here and its about xbox360 backgrounds.

Banned.

...

Just kidding. Welcome

 

[Vault 69er]

Feel I should point out that for anyone with a usb stick or with their 360 networked to their PC its quite easy to use your own images as the background.

EDIT: Brilliant.....my first post in the years of coming here and its about xbox360 backgrounds.

... if you jump through MS' hoops and download their software which doesn't actually work outside of the U.S. anyway unless you find specific drivers on their site.

Meanwhile the PS3 can take images from a PC with a plain old USB cable.

 

[Pope Viper]

Feel I should point out that for anyone with a usb stick or with their 360 networked to their PC its quite easy to use your own images as the background.

EDIT: Brilliant.....my first post in the years of coming here and its about xbox360 backgrounds.

Hey, least your providing information!


Welcome to the madness.

 

[LuckyOasis]

and the bethesda vault door logo.

i always thought of it as the Empire logo from StarWars.

yes, people pay for this. MS Points are like disney dollars but less useful. Non transferable. Non refundable.

that's just sad...

Get over it. 100 points cost approximately one dollar and twenty-five cents... or in this century, practically free.

You folks need to stop living in the early nineties. Also, don't blame Bethesda for the cost of downloading extra content. Bethesda has always been extremely cool about the fan modding community with Morrowind and Oblivion. If you have a PC and a copy of either of those games (which you should, because in spite of what you all seem to think, they're really great), you can have access to a rich fan community that probably surpasses what Fallout achieved.

I love Fallout, and I love Bethesda's work because they have come closer than anyone else to producing the same kind of high-quality, immersive experience that Fallout offers.

I'm happy they're producing Fallout 3, and I wish you would give them a chance rather than being so negative about the situation.

 

[Brother None]

Wow, lots of people joining telling us we're wrong with their first post, lately.

Tell you what, LuckyOasis. Stick around, read some threads, talk to some people. When you're done with your first 1000 posts, then you have a chance we'll listen when you tell us something.

 

[FeelTheRads]

and the bethesda vault door logo.

i always thought of it as the Empire logo from StarWars.

yes, people pay for this. MS Points are like disney dollars but less useful. Non transferable. Non refundable.

that's just sad...

Get over it. 100 points cost approximately one dollar and twenty-five cents... or in this century, practically free.

You folks need to stop living in the early nineties. Also, don't blame Bethesda for the cost of downloading extra content. Bethesda has always been extremely cool about the fan modding community with Morrowind and Oblivion. If you have a PC and a copy of either of those games (which you should, because in spite of what you all seem to think, they're really great), you can have access to a rich fan community that probably surpasses what Fallout achieved.

I love Fallout, and I love Bethesda's work because they have come closer than anyone else to producing the same kind of high-quality, immersive experience that Fallout offers.

I'm happy they're producing Fallout 3, and I wish you would give them a chance rather than being so negative about the situation.

You know, I just made this, and I was wondering where the hell to post it.

You, troll, gave me the perfect place and moment:

Note: I'm not Pierre Bourgeault, I just put "Bethesda" in there. It fit so well.

 

[Tannhauser]

You folks need to stop living in the early nineties.

"Early ninties?" Mini-transactions only came about in a significant way in the mid-aughts.

 

[smurf505]

Wow, lots of people joining telling us we're wrong with their first post, lately.

Difference being I didn't just join....just immensely lazy and habitual forum lurker.

 

[IMissLark]

Get over it. 100 points cost approximately one dollar and twenty-five cents... or in this century, practically free.

It doesn't matter that it doesn't cost much money, it shouldn't cost any money. It takes zero dollars to reformat an image and crop it to fit the X-Box boundaries, and can probably be done in five seconds. So why charge for it? If you want to foster a community then demanding them to buy in to experience it is a good way to fail. Giving them something for free as a way of saying "thanks for caring", though, that's what actually makes fans. The thing is, MS doesn't care about fostering a community, they are a ruthless, discompassionate business. They assume that because they run charitable outlets it entitles them to monopolize and lobotomize the general public and destroy the underdogs with lawsuits and general harassment and, in some cases, straight up theft. Bethesda may just be playing ball, but "I'm just following orders" has never been an excuse for wrongdoing and nor will it ever be.

You folks need to stop living in the early nineties. Also, don't blame Bethesda for the cost of downloading extra content. Bethesda has always been extremely cool about the fan modding community with Morrowind and Oblivion. If you have a PC and a copy of either of those games (which you should, because in spite of what you all seem to think, they're really great), you can have access to a rich fan community that probably surpasses what Fallout achieved.

Wow, you mean a company that releases the editors for their games with their games would have more depth of fan created products then one that only released a buggy and incomplete toolkit a half decade later? Where did you graduate, Obvious Tec?

I love Fallout, and I love Bethesda's work because they have come closer than anyone else to producing the same kind of high-quality, immersive experience that Fallout offers.

I'm happy they're producing Fallout 3, and I wish you would give them a chance rather than being so negative about the situation.

Good for you. We're happy that you're happy. But if you're so happy, why are you so hostile? It's not healthy.[/quote]

 

[SuAside]

Get over it. 100 points cost approximately one dollar and twenty-five cents... or in this century, practically free.

just like the minor mods sold for The Empty Scrolls: Oblivious, right? they also costed nearly nothing, right?

well, a lot of nearly nothing does add up. especially since this stuff is basically just publicity for Fallout 3, why the fuck would anyone want to pay for it? hell, you could make better stuff yourself.

You folks need to stop living in the early nineties.

euhm, what?

Also, don't blame Bethesda for the cost of downloading extra content. Bethesda has always been extremely cool about the fan modding community with Morrowind and Oblivion. If you have a PC and a copy of either of those games (which you should, because in spite of what you all seem to think, they're really great), you can have access to a rich fan community that probably surpasses what Fallout achieved.

except all this 'great content' is fanmade and is of higher quality than the paying stuff Bethesda offers?

as for blaming Beth for the cost, of course i can blame them for charging money for what other developers would give for free. as said, what they are offering now is merely viral marketing. and they actually make you pay for it. haha, enjoy being a corporate stooge mr Oasis.

I love Fallout, and I love Bethesda's work because they have come closer than anyone else to producing the same kind of high-quality, immersive experience that Fallout offers.

no, sorry, just no.

hell, even KOTOR has more immersion than Oblivion as far as i'm concerned. (and i aint no KOTOR fan)

I'm happy they're producing Fallout 3, and I wish you would give them a chance rather than being so negative about the situation.

we actually offered to lend them a hand, you know. make sure they get the lore right etc. they declined.

now we're hearing one clusterfuck after the other and we should 'give them a chance'? no... eventhough i doubt we have a lot of influence on the dev process, if you wait with reacting to stuff until the game is released, it is too late to change anything.

sorry, but VATS, the favored first person POV, the nucular catapultz, supermutants, taking away groin and eyeshots, etc etc are dead giveaways...

 

[yevinorion]

sorry, but VATS, the favored first person POV, the nucular catapultz, supermutants, taking away groin and eyeshots, etc etc are dead giveaways...

*sigh* Everytime someone posts a list like this, I almost get a tear in my eye....

As a relatively new Fallout fan, I held out hope that Beth might really get it right, and hoped that the majority of the Fallout fanbase was just being bitter. Well, since these previews, I can say I totally understand where you guys are coming from, and why you were as concerned as you were.

With a year to go in development, I can only hope that they look at the backlash these previews have caused and use that to tweak the game. Well, that's what I would do if I was in their position...

 

[Pope Viper]

With a year to go in development, I can only hope that they look at the backlash these previews have caused and use that to tweak the game. Well, that's what I would do if I was in their position...

While hope is a good thing, I believe in this case it's not going to help. Bethesda has so far proven that they are makin gthe game for themselves, and the konsole kiddies. They indicated right after they got the license, that they're not going to do an isometric/turn based game, because "that's not what we do".

What they've been shown so far is that they also can't do a Fallout game.

It's not what they do.

 

[Forhekset]

While hope is a good thing, I believe in this case it's not going to help. Bethesda has so far proven that they are makin gthe game for themselves, and the konsole kiddies. They indicated right after they got the license, that they're not going to do an isometric/turn based game, because "that's not what we do".

Don't forget that on top of all of that, they don't feel like they owe anything to either the Fallout fans or the original developers. But since they're not making this game for me, the Fallout fan, it will only make my eventual decision to not buy Fallout 3 even easier. I say eventual because I haven't quite given up all hope yet. I think the combat is going to suck. In fact, I really wish Fallout 3's combat was going to be that of a straightforward shooter, because what Beth has come up with sounds convoluted and stupid. I'm not much of a FPS fan, but at least I know what I'm getting into. Other than the combat, I have some small glimmer of hope for the storyline and the roleplaying aspects of the game. Sort of.

Anyway, aside from the conversation about microtransactions (not a fan, but who is?)- the "every minute is a fight for survival against the terrors of the outside world" line really sticks with me. That line sounds like it's describing a balls to the wall, guns a' blazin' FPS, does it not? Doesn't really sound like a Fallout game aside from the throwaway comments about Super Mutants and whatnot. As someone else mentioned, sounds more like Resident Evil , i.e. shoot everything that moves. That ain't what Fallout is supposed to be.

 

[Vault 69er]

Such was the beauty of Fallout, you could run in and beat up those radscorpions or blow up their cave. You could storm Mariposa and kill every mutie inside, or turn yourself in and have a cosy chat with the Lieutenant before messing up his day.. or getting dipped. You could fight the Master or convince him to commit suicide.

But no, Bethesda want to live up to the spirit of their Terminator games. Yay! Run n' gun! Fight for survival from start to finish!

Then again, this may be hyperbole and maybe you can play the entire game without firing a shot.. but let's just say that if it's just a shootfest survival horror game.. I won't be surprised at all.

 

[Forhekset]

Such was the beauty of Fallout, you could run in and beat up those radscorpions or blow up their cave. You could storm Mariposa and kill every mutie inside, or turn yourself in and have a cosy chat with the Lieutenant before messing up his day.. or getting dipped. You could fight the Master or convince him to commit suicide.

But no, Bethesda want to live up to the spirit of their Terminator games. Yay! Run n' gun! Fight for survival from start to finish!

Then again, this may be hyperbole and maybe you can play the entire game without firing a shot.. but let's just say that if it's just a shootfest survival horror game.. I won't be surprised at all.

I'm thinking that the "fight for survival" line was simply thrown in there by some marketroid who thought it sounded good to help sell Beth's crap over Xbox Live. But like you, I won't be surprised if this game plays like a FPS either.

Like most of you, I'm sure, the real appeal of Fallout for me (aside from the combat system, which I absolutely loved - Fallout is what turned me on to true turn-based combat in games) was the open-endedness and freedom of choice. If you've never played a game as open-ended as Fallout, it can be a little disarming at first, but it's really an incredible thing. I had never played an RPG before Fallout where I could kill NPCs at my discretion (the first RPGs I ever played were the early Final Fantasy games) and basically just do whatever the hell I wanted, without the game leading me around by the hand.

Anyway, it seems like Beth is at least trying to make Fallout 3 as open-ended as possible, although stuff like unkillable children bugs me (is this fallout, no pun intended, from Hot Coffee, Manhunt 2 etc.?). Then again, statements like "so we don't want you to be able to say, piss off your dad and ruin the plot", I mean WTF? I say let the player piss off his or her dad and ruin part of the plot, or screw up an entire branch of quests. Otherwise, it's contradictory to the whole freedom of choice thing that made the original game so great.

 

[Narayan]

The article makes it seem like we'll always be banding together as humans to fight off the super mutant menace when in the originals you had to worry about your own kind as much as the mutations in the wasteland. I just keep seeing more and more signs that Bethesda is missing the point entirely.

 

[radnan]

actually this seems more and more possible:
i havent seen any emphasis in any article on fighting humans .. raiders ... slavers whatever ...

also
i cant wait to pay 10$ for turn based mode - ooh beth you are a clever one

now would any of you guys be good and help friends in need by posting that 360 swag ? (i apologize if this request isnt proper)