Fallout 3 reviews round-up #71

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iafrica.com, 9.4/10.<blockquote>With a landmark release such as 'Fallout 3', we are certainly seeing evidence of a maturing art form. We might also be witnessing a growing awareness that games aren't so much a story-telling medium as a medium centred on world creation.

But the fact that everyone isn't going to love it doesn't mean it is not a great game. After all, there is often a price to pay in not simply catering for the lowest common denominator and doing things by the book.</blockquote>Press Democrat.<blockquote>In the coolest, most inventive tutorial in gaming, you'll witness your own birth and start play as a baby, when you'll take your first steps and interact with objects. (My favorite touch? Your character's baby talk when you push the A button to speak.)

The Capital Wasteland is as brilliantly realized a game world as you'll find, particularly in light of the fact that you're its lone unscripted inhabitant. From the humorous, self-appointed "democratically elected" ruler of the Republic of Dave to idealistic DJ Three Dog, many members of "Fallout 3's" supporting cast feel as fleshed out as characters from feature films. The care that obviously went into crafting each character is helped out tremendously by the game's first-rate voice acting.</blockquote>AdelaideNow, 9/10.<blockquote>Fallout 3 isn't for everyone – there's heavy reliance on inventory management and other role-playing elements. But it's unarguably one of the best games of the year.</blockquote>Suwannee Democrat.<blockquote>So is this game worth your time and hard-earned dollars? Yes, very much so. If you love RPG’s, Fallout 3 has an incredible story for you to step into and tell. If you like just shooting things, well, there’s plenty of that here. I definitely recommend this game to anyone who’s interested in it, it’ll make a great Christmas gift for any young adult!</blockquote>Barry's Rigs 'n Reviews (very long and very spoilery), 9.0.<blockquote>The dialog is well written and acted and the language is often harsh—including some of your character’s dialog responses. But it fits the context of and content of the game, and is not done simply for “shock value.” Fallout 3 does, after all, carry an M rating. Just as they did with Oblivion, Bethesda rounded up some of Hollywood’s premier actors to provide the voices for Fallout 3’s characters.

With a fascinating story that blends courage, honor, hope, humor, love and sacrifice through unforgettable characters; intelligent and challenging quests, a massive, visually stunning post-apocalyptic world to trade, explore and fight in with a wide variety of existing and user-constructed weapons, backed by an awesome soundtrack—and a near-perfect union of turn-based and real-time combat thanks to the incredibly cool and eloquently simple V.A.T.S.—if you only play one game this year, Fallout 3 should without a doubt, be it.</blockquote>Game Chronicles, 9.8.<blockquote>Fallout 3 does something that many other first person perspective role-playing games do not with its actual work to level up. You need to actually perform meaningful tasks to get anywhere and not just kill off mindless animals or run around collecting things lying around. Like in other role-playing games you cannot just go mindlessly around performing simple things or doing away with lower life forms to get easy experience.

Combat here is tough and you have to find things to kill in order to get anywhere so there is no random multitude of animals to pick off for a few easy level ups. Lock picking, bartering and quest completion will fulfill your level requirements but you actually have to work at leveling up here.</blockquote>Ramblings from the Marginalized blog.<blockquote>This game is good, real good. It deserves to be made game of the year and I consider it my favorite game of 2008. If you like post-apocalyptic gaming Fallout 3 should be on your must-play list. It is so much more than Oblivion with guns...</blockquote>PS3 News, 94/100.<blockquote>Free roaming games have been my personal favorite from the start. But Fallout 3 goes above and beyond the call of duty, making a map nearly the size of Oblivion. But not only that, they gave us guns and a first person view. Making this the first game I have ever seen that is free roaming AND a first person shooter.

This game is vastly huge. And deserves game of the year, just for this alone.</blockquote>VGBlogger.<blockquote>The bottom line is this: while RPG’s like Two Worlds get slammed for their stilted language and poor translations, many of those look like fine literature next to some of the blather that passes as dialogue in Fallout 3. They have fixed some of the egregious ’side banter’ you could stumble upon in Oblivion to feel more natural, but there are many times where you will have already killed an enemy but their dialogue continues until it finishes. But even in context the dialogue is just plain poorly written and provides no intrigue, humor or immersion. It isn’t even about comparing to the other Fallout games … the characters are poorly developed stereotypes, the dialogue doesn’t follow anything like a natural flow, and what people say doesn’t begin to reflect the reality of their situation or convey any sense of what is going on.</blockquote>
 
Per said:
With a fascinating story that blends courage, honor, hope, humor, love and sacrifice through unforgettable characters; intelligent and challenging quests, a massive, visually stunning post-apocalyptic world to trade, explore and fight in with a wide variety of existing and user-constructed weapons, backed by an awesome soundtrack—and a near-perfect union of turn-based and real-time combat thanks to the incredibly cool and eloquently simple V.A.T.S.—if you only play one game this year, Fallout 3 should without a doubt, be it.</blockquote>

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH :lol: :lol:

What game have they been playing, i dont remember a great story , unforggettable characters, awesome soundtrack or "eloquent VATS" that is "a near perfect union of turn-based and real-time combat" All i remember is mediocre game thats awful sequel.

To be fair, i dont think these people played the game.

And this is pretty much cheap shotting people whos reviews are the old fungae that has formed in to the bottom of the
barrel, from the ancient decaying, smelly left-over scraps of previous reviews that no-one remembered or noticed to scrape in the previous 70 review round up.
 
Where are all these sites reviewing Fallout 3 coming from?

And I really am looking upon this with wonderment. Sure, I get people liking and loving Fallout 3, why not? They don't have to hate it, and if it's a reviewer's honest opinion that it's a good/great game then fine.

But why would anyone claim the dialogue in Fallout 3 extends beyond mediocre? More insanely, how could anyone claim Fallout 3's plot is any good? I mean, that's as close to factually incorrect you can get on such a subjective topic. Does anyone honestly believe Fallout 3 has a good plot? Really?
 
This game is vastly huge. And deserves game of the year, just for this alone.

So we should give out GoTY awards simply based on the size of the game world? This doesn't even begin to make any sense to me.

By this logic, Daggerfall should be the greatest game of all time, because I'm pretty sure that it had the biggest explorable area in any game.
 
Fallout 3 isn't for everyone – there's heavy reliance on inventory management and other role-playing elements. But it's unarguably one of the best games of the year.
So the game succeeds despite even the scant faintest RPG elements?
That's great because I hate it when pesky RPG elements get in the way of me playing a Fallout game.


The way the keep saying "Capitol Wasteland" and other shit like that in caps just make me think they are all working off the same press kit.
 
I'm surprised it's getting such low scores tbh. 9.0/10! I much preferred this game to BioShock and others. It definitely deserves GOTY. 11/10.
 
maturing art form
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But the fact that everyone isn't going to love it doesn't mean it is not a great game. After all, there is often a price to pay in not simply catering for the lowest common denominator and doing things by the book.
Fallout 3 used most of Oblivion's game play, and did cater to a low denominator. Even the devs spoke of all the work they took to make it so accessible.

most inventive tutorial in gaming
It's been done before.

The care that obviously went into crafting each character is helped out tremendously by the game's first-rate voice acting.
Personally, I felt that the voice acting was significantly below Fallout 1 and 2 in terms of quality.

Fallout 3 isn't for everyone – there's heavy reliance on inventory management and other role-playing elements. But it's unarguably one of the best games of the year.
Fallout 3 is supposed to be an RPG, and is based off of RPGs. If you do not like RPGs, then do not play Fallout 3, as it is one.

and a near-perfect union of turn-based and real-time combat thanks to the incredibly cool and eloquently simple V.A.T.S.
VATS is neither turn based nor near perfect. It is a pause system designed for a real time shooter. The percentage to hit is not even governed by your weapon skill!
 
TheRatKing said:
maturing art form
fallout-3-20070713102448474_640w.jpg


But the fact that everyone isn't going to love it doesn't mean it is not a great game. After all, there is often a price to pay in not simply catering for the lowest common denominator and doing things by the book.
Fallout 3 used most of Oblivion's game play, and did cater to a low denominator. Even the devs spoke of all the work they took to make it so accessible.

most inventive tutorial in gaming
It's been done before.

The care that obviously went into crafting each character is helped out tremendously by the game's first-rate voice acting.
Personally, I felt that the voice acting was significantly below Fallout 1 and 2 in terms of quality.

Fallout 3 isn't for everyone – there's heavy reliance on inventory management and other role-playing elements. But it's unarguably one of the best games of the year.
Fallout 3 is supposed to be an RPG, and is based off of RPGs. If you do not like RPGs, then do not play Fallout 3, as it is one.

and a near-perfect union of turn-based and real-time combat thanks to the incredibly cool and eloquently simple V.A.T.S.
VATS is neither turn based nor near perfect. It is a pause system designed for a real time shooter. The percentage to hit is not even governed by your weapon skill!

It's the first time I've seen such a tutorial. It sure beats Temple Of Trials tedium.

Fallout 3 doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator - maybe it's a bit too dumbed-down (like Morrowind vs Oblivion) but I wouldn't go that far.

I really like VATS but I wish the combat was slower outside VATS so that was more viable and that VATS had better accuracy. (and as you say, was linked to skill points, although I hadn't noticed it wasn't.)
 
Brother None said:

I honestly am getting the idea that review kit handed to most of these people consisted of a wad of money and several documents with instructions what they are suppose to say in their reviews.

Honestly, that a couple of people might like the story is somewhat possible, but so many of them, and the dialog too?

'F' change so easily into 'B's Bethesda, but you got greedy.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
Brother None said:

I honestly am getting the idea that review kit handed to most of these people consisted of a wad of money and several documents with instructions what they are suppose to say in their reviews.

Honestly, that a couple of people might like the story is somewhat possible, but so many of them, and the dialog too?

'F' change so easily into 'B's Bethesda, but you got greedy.

What? I think Fallout 3 is an incredible game - just because you don't agree doesn't mean you can accuse them of bribery!

It's one of the best games I've ever played in fact.
 
Aah, the classic misunderstanding that I really give a damn about about someone's, in this case, your opinion.

I honestly don't care if other people like it, I don't like it and I have waited for a Fallout sequel for quite some time, playing Tactics (which I somewhat like) and even the horrible Fallout BOS (which I would like to shove down Herve's throat).
 
After all, there is often a price to pay in not simply catering for the lowest common denominator and doing things by the book.

Uh huh. They certaintly did things by their book; that much is true. Copy and paste.
 
jamesmcm said:
What? I think Fallout 3 is an incredible game - just because you don't agree doesn't mean you can accuse them of bribery!

That wasn't really the point though; as I explicitly said (and DG quoted), what is so weird here (and no, these guys aren't bribed, don't be stupid DG, it's just weird) is how they state stuff that even the biggest fans would not hold true if they hold it up to scrutiny; the plot isn't any good. Fallout 3 doesn't innovate anything, especially not compared to Oblivion. Dialogue isn't anything special. The world design (note: not art/look, but design) isn't very convincing. You could content to and weaken some of these points, but to call any of these 4 elements "great" is - as I said - as close as you can get to bald-faced lying on a subjective topic.
 
and no, these guys aren't bribed, don't be stupid DG, it's just weird

I was just kidding BN.
Of course its retarded to think that these people were paid.

What I find so strange is that a lot of the reviewers speak about the main plotline as if it is very involving, deep and complex, while to me it seems like a very weak rip off of Fallout 1 and 2.

Even the whole father thing.

A main quest based on something personal that evolves into bigger than one person isn't bad, but it is forced on the player and not something he or she decides to do themselves.

Someone has said on the forum that once you find James that your speech options basically only consist of you leaving the Vault because you missed Dad, but no mention is made at all that the Overseer was willing to shoot you became James had disappeared.
 
jamesmcm said:
It's the first time I've seen such a tutorial. It sure beats Temple Of Trials tedium.

Fallout 3 doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator - maybe it's a bit too dumbed-down (like Morrowind vs Oblivion) but I wouldn't go that far.

I really like VATS but I wish the combat was slower outside VATS so that was more viable and that VATS had better accuracy. (and as you say, was linked to skill points, although I hadn't noticed it wasn't.)

For shits and giggles I fired up FO2, and started a new game. The ToT took me less than 5 mins. I don't get why you're hating on it so much. It beats the "awesome" birthday party, and being yanked out of your mom's glory hole, that's for sure.

The tutorial in FO3 is quite contrived, and devoid of any real "tutorial" aspects.
 
rcorporon said:
jamesmcm said:
It's the first time I've seen such a tutorial. It sure beats Temple Of Trials tedium.

Fallout 3 doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator - maybe it's a bit too dumbed-down (like Morrowind vs Oblivion) but I wouldn't go that far.

I really like VATS but I wish the combat was slower outside VATS so that was more viable and that VATS had better accuracy. (and as you say, was linked to skill points, although I hadn't noticed it wasn't.)

For shits and giggles I fired up FO2, and started a new game. The ToT took me less than 5 mins. I don't get why you're hating on it so much. It beats the "awesome" birthday party, and being yanked out of your mom's glory hole, that's for sure.

The tutorial in FO3 is quite contrived, and devoid of any real "tutorial" aspects.
I'm not sure why we need a tutorial in a game that uses completely conventional control.
 
iafrica.com said:
With a landmark release such as 'Fallout 3', we are certainly seeing evidence of a maturing art form. We might also be witnessing a growing awareness that games aren't so much a story-telling medium as a medium centred on world creation.
While I disagree with many people in the game industry and in Hollywood that think the pinnacle of the gaming is a slightly interactive movie, I would say that games are great as a non-linear story-telling medium. Furthermore games as a medium for world exploration is pointless unless there is some kind of meaningful interaction with the world and its inhabitants.
 
rcorporon said:
For shits and giggles I fired up FO2, and started a new game. The ToT took me less than 5 mins. I don't get why you're hating on it so much. It beats the "awesome" birthday party, and being yanked out of your mom's glory hole, that's for sure.

While the birth scene is indeed laughably bad, the Temple of Trials is both conceptually stupid and badly executed. Obligatory tutorial areas are stupid, especially in games that don't necessarily need them (and neither Fallout 2 nor Fallout 3 did - in Fallout 2 ToT was a decision made by PR, note)
 
Brother None said:
While the birth scene is indeed laughably bad, the Temple of Trials is both conceptually stupid and badly executed. Obligatory tutorial areas are stupid, especially in games that don't necessarily need them (and neither Fallout 2 nor Fallout 3 did - in Fallout 2 ToT was a decision made by PR, note)

I found the ToT didn't fit the style / setting very well in FO2, it did offer a very safe into to the combat and dialogue system in FO2, which was needed for new players.

Although, that could have easily been done in the village with the pot smoking medicine man and the killer plants.

If you hate the ToT, just do what I do. Make a save game right after it's done, and keep it. That way, when you want to start again, you can just fire up that save game (although, you don't get to tinker with the stats of that particular character).
 
Really, the ToT does not take very long. I used to loath it but now it is simply a couple of minutes killing time until the game starts. It could have been made better with less enemies and more NPCs to talk to, maybe prisoners of some sort?

The temple did introduce critical gameplay elements, especially breaking down doors with explosives. I agree with BN however that it could have easily been an optional option instead of one that even veterans have to choose.
 
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