Fallout 3's commercial success

Throwing money at it doesn't necessarily result in genuine accomplishments. It doesn't mean Bethesda will hire better writers, though it is possible, it is no guarantee.

Personally, I don't care about the massive popularity that Bethesda brought to the Fallout franchise if all it did was to bring in masses of clueless idiots who have little or no appreciation of the first two games, and if all the new gamers had for an introduction to the franchise is this craptastic piece of software Betty made.

But you did make a point that at least it might somehow lead these gamers into playing these old games and bringing in fresh new appreciation for a lost art form. I just hope they don't ignore it for the shallowest of reasons like TEH GRAFIX SUX!1!!11! but I'm not inclined to think so
 
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Fallouts 1 and 2 didn't have any television or internet advertising. For months I saw the game advertised every time I watched the Colbert Report online.

Plus, I think that it's a rare occurrence when anything artful in any medium convenes with profitability. Perhaps the more generally appealing you make a work of art the less it becomes art and the more it becomes 'product'.

High sales obviously don't mean it's a great game. Unless your definition of 'great' is 'makes lots of money for the company that owns the concept'. The difference between Bethesda and Black Isle is that Black Isle was doing it with love: thoughtful scripting, endless possibilities, humor!, quirkiness, and uniqueness.

To use a meat analogy, FO3 is a bare skeleton of FPS gameplay upon which a few meager nuggets of RPG gristle are stuck.
 
Ozymandias said:
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Fallouts 1 and 2 didn't have any television or internet advertising. For months I saw the game advertised every time I watched the Colbert Report online.
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F1/F2 were released before their was a thing called "napster". It was a different time.
 
Since when does sales figures translate into quality?

Celine Dion has millions of albums sold, but her music is still shit. Same goes for Ms. Spears.

I lump FO3 with mainstream, mass produced garbage... plain and simple.
 
... and you've got a Trotsky quote up.

;)

The development teams that might've done something different didn't get the property. Sure, some of that is a factor of Bethesda being in the right place at the right time... some of the rest is a factor of cold, hard, cash.
 
Fallout 1/2 are somewhere this

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Fallout 3 is this
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Only cause its sold in Millions and much more consumed doesnt mean its inherently "better". No?

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TyloniusFunk said:
Do you still hold out hope for a truer Fallout game?
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To this question. No. Definetly not. Not as long Bethesda holds the IP. Why? This is not against Bethesda in particular. They might have tried their best with the dialogues, writting and plot (gameplay aside).

And to say that ... I dont know whats more frightening. That they either had not the skill to do it or they just not cared enough about to do it right (talking about the quality of dialogues here only). Though I somewhat hope its the first one ..., that they "tried" it really but just could not come up with anything better.

I doubt we ever will see a "real" Fallout game. Bethesda could not come up with what it takes to make the game a good Fallout sequel if theiy lifes would be depending up on it.
 
José Cruz said:
Between the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC versions of Fallout 3, sales of the game have earned more than $300 million worldwide in its first week of availability, according to creator Bethesda Softworks.
"Approximately 4.7 million units" have been shipped since the title's October 28 release, a figure that Bethesda characterizes as "record sales."
Continuing, the official announcement cites a number of critics who lavished the title with praise, while pointing out that the game topped sales charts in nearly every region it was available. Notably absent is Japan, where the game goes on sale December 4.
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Think people! With this kind of money Bethesta will be able to pay decent writers to make a better fallout 4. There is always hope!

Also, with the massive popularity of a thing with the word "Fallout" in its box means that the classic fallout's will have increased attention and the demand for a decent postapocaliptic CRPG will increase!
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pff! they already had that kind of money from oblivion... still didnt help much did it?
 
Honestly, I hope there will be no more Fallout games, because no one is capable of pulling it off and I have a bad aftertaste from playing F3.
 
AthasPrime said:
I wrote somethign similar on another post before I saw this post, so I'll cut to the chase.

Are the gaming industry incapable of supporting the hardcore RPG gamers without going bankrupt or at the very least losing money? Are there no means of satisfying the mainstream audience and yet at the same time delivering something more for the geeky masses yearning to breath free?

I say hardcore RPG gamer, because it doesnt seem to apply to other hardcore genre players. If a hardcore FPS/adventure/stratedgy/sports gamer wants to enjoy a game its not a big deal to alter the setting of the game in some minor way at very little additional cost to the game designers.

However for a hardcore RPG gamer, its not simply a tweak of the resource allocation, mouse timing or damage formula. Hardcore RPG gamer want smart dialogues, intricate plots, and a means to resolve a problem in a multitude of creative ways. That's not something game designer can simply provide in the difficult setting menu without changing the game in some fundamental ways.

So then are Hardcore RPG gamers simply too cost prohibitive to the gaming industry?
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Hardcore RPG gamers no, if the games are fun.

Hardcore TBS/spreadsheet-freaks/stats-whores/electronic warboard gamers yes.
 
Ausdoerrt said:
Ravager69 said:
"Hey people! From now on let's eat shit, because billions of flies can't be wrong!!!"
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And they're majority! :lol:
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I suppose the minority is right eh?

I like it when people say the majority are wrong, when they forget that they're a minority, that only a few other people share their ideas. The world reacts according to the majority, if something is universally liked then it will sell, because most people liked it.

My point is, billions of flies can be wrong, but so can 15 blue tigers. Did you expect Fallout 3 (and the next) to conform with the tastes of a few people, and not the majority? The gaming industry is just like every other industry, the primary aim is money. Fallout 1 and 2 were no different.

Myself, I was enjoying fallout 3 up until the later part of the main quest, and the ending. Boy did it suck. Urgh.
 
Well, the thing about Fallout 3 was that you could tell that Bethesda was desperately trying. Even if it wasn't anywhere the quality of Fallout, it was, as one person said, 'A swell cover band'.

I don't hold out much hope for Fallout 4, because honestly, the only thing Bethesda might decide to change that would be in line with FO Veterans' dreams would be their writing, and that could go either way. However, I do hold out much hope for The Elder Scrolls V. Maybe lessons regarding multiple-path quest resolutions and more consistent, interesting gameworlds will rub off?

Maybe?
 
Profit said:
I don't hold out much hope for Fallout 4, because honestly, the only thing Bethesda might decide to change that would be in line with FO Veterans' dreams would be their writing, and that could go either way. However, I do hold out much hope for The Elder Scrolls V. Maybe lessons regarding multiple-path quest resolutions and more consistent, interesting gameworlds will rub off?

Maybe?
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Whatever you're smoking, please share. :)

In my opinion, Bethesda will only get worse in those aspects.
 
thefalloutfan said:
I suppose the minority is right eh?

I like it when people say the majority are wrong, when they forget that they're a minority, that only a few other people share their ideas. The world reacts according to the majority, if something is universally liked then it will sell, because most people liked it.
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But the question is. Did it sold well cause they [Bethesda] have somewhat almost the best Marketing one can get or cause Fallout 3 really has big qualities as RPG?

Look at the promotions and the E3 videos. Letz say that you never heard about Fallout before and dont know that Bethesda want to make RPGs. Would you have identified Fallout 3 as RPG or as shooter by just looking at the promotions and the videos?

Remember. Almost nothing Bethesda has shown in the past indicated in any way that their game was a "real" RPG. You almost never have seen dialogues, writting or choices & consequences in actions. And to me its clear why. The target audience of Bethesda doesnt really either like or care about this things all to much (see Oblivion). What they have shown particularly on the E3 ... heads. Lots of lots of exploding heads. Bodies. And enclave blazing in with vetbirds. Shoting. Explosions. Fatman. ANd the Fatman. Not a everyday item. But in every video. Right.
 
thefalloutfan said:
Ausdoerrt said:
Ravager69 said:
"Hey people! From now on let's eat shit, because billions of flies can't be wrong!!!"
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And they're majority! :lol:
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I suppose the minority is right eh?

I like it when people say the majority are wrong, when they forget that they're a minority, that only a few other people share their ideas. The world reacts according to the majority, if something is universally liked then it will sell, because most people liked it.
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Never said that :P

Simply commenting on the "majority is always right" part... Also, # sold does not equal quality. Just like the comment I made awhile ago about Britney Spears, or someone else about Celine Dion. I mean, they sure sold well :lol:

Also, watch this anime excerpt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkrTI-BaOoQ (bad English dub, but ohwell).
 
thefalloutfan said:
Did you expect Fallout 3 (and the next) to conform with the tastes of a few people, and not the majority? The gaming industry is just like every other industry, the primary aim is money. Fallout 1 and 2 were no different.
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All I expected of Fallout 3 was for it to live up to its name.

It failed miserably in this.
 
I would expect a Fallout 4. They'll keep making sequels as long as it remains profitable. And it's easier, too - you don't have to create much new material and you've got a built-in fanbase.

Since Fallout 3 sold so well, I would expect more of the same. The feedback they listen to will be from the reviews that gave the game 9/10 rather than 10/10. So, you'll probably be able to continue playing after you finish the main storyline, and they might remove the level cap. Some cosmetic changes, the obligatory new gear, that sort of thing.

Personally, I don't even care all that much about the canon and consistency with the previous games. I mean, that sort of thing just isn't going to happen when you have a new developer at the helm. My biggest disappointment (after the main storyline) was that it repeated all of the biggest flaws in Oblivion.

But Oblivion sold well, so those issues weren't a big deal; even though I was disappointed, I wasn't surprised to see them again.

A "truer" Fallout isn't going to happen. Fortunately, there are plenty of dedicated modders who will do their best to turn shit into gold, so be glad for what you can get. No point in being bitter about it, really; just watch for the next spiritual successor. All franchises must turn to shit eventually.
 
Still its wired i mean Fallout 3 fails in story line and in gameplay to old grumy members but its not bugged you got to admit it...

Idident have any crash and i can play on full details most games released now are unplayable until you see at least 3 patches or more...

So generaly speaking Bethesda just made product for majority most of us would do it except some fanatics...

For example i buyed Guild 2 Venice and well i know i will never buy another game from JoWoo it crashes,saves dont work,only 4 new small maps and old ones dont work,i think only 2 new things and thats about it...

So id Bethesda would make Fallout hm 5-10 years earlier it would have a lot better story and gameplay...

Lets just say Bethesda is adjusting to console market and i dont blame them its Profit...
 
gregor_y said:
Still its wired i mean Fallout 3 fails in story line and in gameplay to old grumy members but its not bugged you got to admit it...
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If you torture me for a very long time I might do that
 
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