Fallout 5 Predictions Thread (with EXPLOSIONS!)

I don't know when maybe FO5 maybe 6, but it's only a matter of time before BGS jumps ahead in the timeline far enough for events of FO1,FO2, and FNV to be a distant memory and heads to the west coast. There is far too much real estate for them to respect the classics, what little they do, forever.
 
Ragemage said:
That's because it is. Fallout 4 killed the Fallout franchise. It is dead and buried.

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Later, Tim Cain of Interplay asked Todd Howard for the body of Fallout. Now Tim Cain was the creator of Fallout, but he feared the Bethestards would tarnish the body further. With Todd Howard's permission, he came and took the body away. He was accompanied by Brian Fargo, the man whose earlier game had inspired Fallout at night. taking Fallout’s body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Interplay burial customs. At the place where Fallout was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. And since the tomb was nearby, they laid Fallout there, with the help of Chris Avellone and J.E. Sawyer. - J.E. Sawyer 20:4
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Yes, I understand you don't like certain video games, but Fallout 4 killed the franchise in your opinion.
 
AccountNameM said:
Yes, I understand you don't like certain video games, but Fallout 4 killed the franchise in your opinion.
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Mine and pretty much everyone else's here. If you think anyone here likes FO4 as a Fallout game, you're on the wrong website. I hear the Fallout Reddit is a nice place this time of year for people who enjoyed FO4. This ain't one of 'em.

For that matter, I made concise arguments along with links as to how Bethesda ruined the franchise and is going to continue to ruin it. Please, Mr. Optimist, share what exactly makes you think Bethesda's going to learn any sort of lesson from FO4 and not rehash exactly what they did with their last game only worse? Because so far the facts are showing FO5's going to be the same as FO4 but somehow they'll make it even worse.
 
Ragemage said:
Mine and pretty much everyone else's here. If you think anyone here likes FO4 as a Fallout game, you're on the wrong website. I hear the Fallout Reddit is a nice place this time of year for people who enjoyed FO4. This ain't one of 'em.

For that matter, I made concise arguments along with links as to how Bethesda ruined the franchise and is going to continue to ruin it. Please, Mr. Optimist, share what exactly makes you think Bethesda's going to learn any sort of lesson from FO4 and not rehash exactly what they did with their last game only worse? Because so far the facts are showing FO5's going to be the same as FO4 but somehow they'll make it even worse.
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So, a website dedicated to Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 can't have positive discussion of the latest release?

Also, I consider what you call "dumbing down" to be something else, so, yeah.
 
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You're ignoring the question. And for that matter, go look at the Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 forums. There isn't much positive in 3, even though I happen to like 3, and there sure as Hell isn't anything positive in 4's forum. Get back to me once you've perused the forums some more and then maybe you'll be able to answer your own question.
 
You start off in a vault and your first quest is to escape and find your best friend dogmeat and drink a Nuka Cola. Before you can drink the Nuka Cola -SURPRISE- A legendary glowing super deathclaw behemoth appears and is about to kill dogmeat.
You make the tough moral decision to sacrifice the Nuka Cola by using it to power your Nuka Cola Power Armor to save Dogmeat. You pick up the first weapon (the mininuke minigun) and kill the monster without breaking a sweat.
Then Pip Boy appears out of nowhere and gives you a thumbs up for saving dogmeat. And then he tells you that your grandfather is missing and that you have to find him.
 
Ragemage said:
You're ignoring the question. And for that matter, go look at the Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 forums. There isn't much positive in 3, even though I happen to like 3, and there sure as Hell isn't anything positive in 4's forum. Get back to me once you've perused the forums some more and then maybe you'll be able to answer your own question.
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Here's the simple answer:
How can I prove to you why I'm optimistic when you'll never agree to anything I say. As I said before, what you consider bad, I might consider it good.

Also, when a website states "No Mutants Allowed is a gaming site dedicated to post nuclear role playing series - Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4", do you expect me to find a community that hates the sat two games it supposedly is dedicated to?
 
It's not a matter of agreeing or not, it's a matter of you actually stating your opinion instead of hiding behind a wall while calling my blatant facts of Bethesda dumbing down Fallout "opinions". I want to know why you think Bethesda will change their ways or what will make Fallout 5 worth a shit to you.

Site may be dedicated to all things Fallout but we have 0 love for Fallout 4. It's just our duty to mention the game since it's technically still a Fallout game. Doesn't mean we have to like it, and we don't. I'm expecting you to look at the forums for yourself and see the seething hatred for both FO3 and FO4. It isn't just me, it's 99% of the community. Only user who professes to enjoying FO4 as a whole is @Irwin John Finster and that's just because he's lobotomized his senses enough after playing it to not see it as a Fallout game but as a Borderlands clone. There's something wrong when a game's titled FALLOUT 4 and the only way one of us can appreciate it is by pretending it isn't even a Fallout game.
 
Ragemage said:
It's not a matter of agreeing or not, it's a matter of you actually stating your opinion instead of hiding behind a wall while calling my blatant facts of Bethesda dumbing down Fallout "opinions". I want to know why you think Bethesda will change their ways or what will make Fallout 5 worth a shit to you.

Site may be dedicated to all things Fallout but we have 0 love for Fallout 4. It's just our duty to mention the game since it's technically still a Fallout game. Doesn't mean we have to like it, and we don't. I'm expecting you to look at the forums for yourself and see the seething hatred for both FO3 and FO4. It isn't just me, it's 99% of the community. Only user who professes to enjoying FO4 as a whole is @Irwin John Finster and that's just because he's lobotomized his senses enough to not see it as a Fallout game but as a Borderlands clone.
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My opinion?
I liked Fallout 4, and I'm hopeful the next Fallout game will be even better, and as I said before, what you consider fact ("dumbing down" etc) others might view it differently ("streamlining" etc).

If you think it's a fact that Bethesda is dumbing down the series, then how am I supposed to tell you my thoughts when they're what you consider them as dumbing down?

I can't argue with you because you think "dumbing down" is objective, not subjective.

For instance, you think the WW trailer is another example as to why Bethesda is ruining Fallout, while I don't fucking care they're using one voice, and feel the dlc is only adding to the game.
 
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Fair enough, that's your opinion. And it's not the fact they're using one voice, it's the fact they're flaunting the voiced protagonist when they know lots of people hate the voiced protagonist aspect, particularly the male one.

What exactly DO you consider dumbing down then? Give a game example.
 
Ragemage said:
Fair enough, that's your opinion. And it's not the fact they're using one voice, it's the fact they're flaunting the voiced protagonist when they know lots of people hate the voiced protagonist aspect, particularly the male one.

What exactly DO you consider dumbing down then? Give a game example.
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Here is the definition of "dumbing-down" from Wikipedia (I hate citing Wikipedia, but it's the only definition I can find):

  1. "Dumbing down is the deliberate oversimplification of intellectual content within education, literature, cinema, news, video games and culture in order to relate to those unable to assimilate more sophisticated information."
The word "simplication" doesn't mean "make more accessible", it means "lose complexity", or in other words, loss of features.

Does the dialogue wheel feature less spoken words by an npc? That is what I consider "dumbing-down", and if you can answer that question, then yes, the dialogue wheel isn't just a fresh coat of paint, but limits the amount of questions that can be asked.

Still, Bethesda chose to use terminals more significantly for backstory than from spoken word, so there isn't really a loss there.
 
AccountNameM said:
or in other words, loss of features.
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Loss of features you say? How about your SPECIAL actually affecting dialogue? The old perk system? Your skills affecting dialogue? The karma system? The fact you had to get Power Armor training in every single Fallout game but this one to actually use it? The ability to be evil? And so so so much more. All you're doing is proving that me calling the game dumbed down is absolutely right, with the official definition to boot. So thanks pal.
 
AccountNameM said:
Do you consider less backstory through speech, and more through terminals, as "dumbing down"?
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FNV was able to accomplish both as was FO3 to a lesser extent. You want great writing through holotapes and terminals run through Vault 11 in New Vegas. FO4 has no well written NPC that you can talk with like Chief Hanlon everyone is hostile or on a dialogue loop. Also exactly what did those terminals accomplish? Tower Tom and Red are hostile even if you killed the other one, they never ask you to get involved or negotiate, no option to let Kellogg live, all player agency outside of which faction you play the last act with is gone. So yes I consider FO4 to be dumbed down and also the worst Fallout game I've ever played and the worst BGS game I've ever played.
 
Ragemage said:
Loss of features you say? How about your SPECIAL actually affecting dialogue? The old perk system? Your skills affecting dialogue? The karma system? The fact you had to get Power Armor training in every single Fallout game but this one to actually use it? The ability to be evil? And so so so much more. All you're doing is proving that me calling the game dumbed down is absolutely right, with the official definition to boot. So thanks pal.
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To be more specific on the definition, "loss of substantial features".

Do all those features make a Fallout game?

Karma is still there, with a fresh coat of paint.

Skills are perks now, another coat of paint.

The ability to be evil is still there, so..

Special and skills affecting dialogue were just quest shortcuts, so there isn't any loss of information. Also, it isn't entirely gone, as charisma affects dialogue.

Having a perk to use power armour isn't that necessary.

For me, Fallout is about story telling, which special checks don't do.

Overall, this is an example of what you consider "dumb-down" vs what I think is "dumbing-down".
 
AccountNameM said:
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Lmao now you're just resulting to calling things they removed and replaced with something worse a "fresh coat of paint". We're done here. I'm moving on to greener pastures, but for the record, it's hilarious at how hard you're trying to defend this piece of shit. I applaud your efforts. :clap:
 
Ragemage said:
Lmao now you're just resulting to calling things they removed and replaced with something worse a "fresh coat of paint". We're done here. I'm moving on to greener pastures, but for the record, it's hilarious at how hard you're trying to defend this piece of shit. I applaud your efforts. :clap:
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Yes, because your opinion of what makes Fallout is the be-all-end-all for the series.

No need to act all high and mighty just because I have a different opinion.

EDIT: Do you never want the Fallout series to change?
 
AccountNameM said:
EDIT: Do you never want the Fallout series to change?
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And no, I don't want the series to change. Not in the way Bethesda's pushing it. They're pushing it into open world Call of Duty + Minecraft Ripoff territory, as already stated. I'll take Obsidian's changes any day however, they actually know how to make an RPG. It's not an RPG anymore thanks to Bethesda.
 
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