Fallout Apocrypha - By Chris Avellone

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Proletären, Apr 10, 2022.

  1. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Knog Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Because when it boils down to it the guys that made the games are less obsessed about it than NMA is. They just did it for money and because they liked Dungeons and Dragons.
     
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  2. Millim

    Millim Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Oct 13, 2010
    I see it in comics. People aren’t going to bad mouth other comic creators because A. It’s not great to limit your employment options and B. No one deserves the smug “I told you so” hate sludge from the worst kind of People
     
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  3. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    Also, as TorontoReign said, they likely for the most of it don't really care. It makes a huge difference if you are paid to work on something or if you are a fan of something. Just look at the last video of Tim Cain and Boyarsky playing Fallout 1. At this point it's safe to say we know more about this game than they do.
     
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  4. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    Yet somehow we still hope for some undisclosed knowledge from these guys.
     
  5. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    Just a side note, because I figured my post before might sounded a bit aggressive about Tim and Leonard: I'm not hating on them for not knowing everything about the game anymore after 20 years. Just saying that this is how it is and we are the ones who need to accept that many of them have moved on a long time ago. :>
     
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  6. Lorddervish212

    Lorddervish212 First time out of the vault

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    Complainers will complain
     
  7. Eumesmopo

    Eumesmopo Learned to love the bomb

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    Dude was doing apologetics for Bethesda and admitting he didn't even bother playing F4 and F76 in the same text.
     
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  8. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Snug Rubber

    Sep 11, 2010
    We do?
     
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  9. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    I guess at this point it's just nice to see them talking about it. Doesn't really matter if it's stuff we've heard a hundred times already.

    Personally I just wish we would get our hands on all the other unreleased design documents that a few modders have access to, but not everyone.
     
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  10. Jw224

    Jw224 First time out of the vault

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    Don't really understand the people who want him to tear apart Fallout 3 on his blog tbh. He's obviously not going to do that as he'd just be making himself look weird and bitter for no reason lol.
     
  11. PlanHex

    PlanHex Legislative Senator oTO Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Nov 4, 2007
    It's because we are also weird and bitter and want validation
     
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  12. Post-War Tribal

    Post-War Tribal Chief Owslandr

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    You forgot gay, we're also gay.
     
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  13. Eumesmopo

    Eumesmopo Learned to love the bomb

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    Dec 6, 2012
    He just added a response to the whole question regarding the "Bethesda sucks" debate:

    So, yeah, he also agrees that the writing and roleplaying are worse in the Bethesda games, but thinks the series could have fallen in the hands of someone worse.

    In my opinion, it could have just as well fallen into the hands the hands of someone better though.
     
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  14. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    I wish he would have named even one... I cannot.

    This would have been a positive in my book. As it is, Fallout came back not so unlike the dead in Steven King's Pet Sematary [sic]; all the potential & appearance possible from Bethesda (you want to love it)...and yet this is —not— your beloved franchise saved/reborn/restored... it's a vile impostor with a new agenda and no respect for past tenets.

    It was a slap to the face that they exploited the remaining series' fans for publicity sake, only to then deride them, and later throw them under the bus afterward.

    It was a bit like camping out to be first in line, only to have busloads of VIPs shuttled in ahead of you at Noon the next day.... and then to find out that they were not serving up the implied product anyway, merely their old slop with a new skin applied.
    Unconscionable pricks all of them.
     
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  15. Risewild

    Risewild Carbon Dated and Proud
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    Jun 14, 2014
    It would have ended up in the original Fallout creators' hands, Troika Games.

    Troika Games was already working on a new engine for a Fallout game, that they then tried to adapt into a new post-apocalyptic game after they lost the bid for the Fallout IP because Bethesda suddenly swooped in.

    I think that even if the original creators of the IP had made a worse Fallout game than Bethesda (which I doubt since I love ALL of the games Troika released), it would have been in the right hands since they created Fallout. It would have been the right hands for the IP to have found its end.
     
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  16. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
     
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  17. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    Troika was on the brink of bankruptcy. It's pure speculation if they would have even been able to finish the game. All their games financially bombed and they were running out of potential publishers. So nobody can really say if they would have been able to pull that off.
     
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  18. Risewild

    Risewild Carbon Dated and Proud
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    Jun 14, 2014
    Yep, because they couldn't find any publisher that would want to finance their unknow post-apoc game. Would any publisher have been willing to finance Troika's Fallout 3 back then? Maybe not, but at least it would have been a known IP.

    Also, even if Troika had gone bankrupt before doing any Fallout games, I'm pretty sure the IP would have eventually passed on (or at least could be lent) to Obsidian, since most of the owners of Troika games ended up at Obsidian, including Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky (which I assume would retain the IP rights, as the creators of it and founders of Troika).
     
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  19. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    I cannot imagine Interplay not having them as contract/ work for hire, where Interplay would own the IP 100% even if the team invented the entire setting, the writing, and all of the assets.
     
  20. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    The bridge with Interplay was completely burned. Not to forget Interplay was dead in the water.