Fallout Apocrypha - By Chris Avellone

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by The_Proletarian, Apr 10, 2022.

  1. Risewild

    Risewild Antediluvian as Feck
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    Jun 14, 2014
    Apparently, it seems like Interplay only owned the Fallout rights due to a "technicality". At least that's what Leonard Boyarsky said in an interview here on NMA:
     
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  2. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Antediluvian as Feck

    Nov 26, 2007
    That's the thing though, when one is on staff work for hire, the technicality is that they did the work [for hire] instead of the owner.

    Technically HP owned the Apple 1, because Steve Wozniak was an HP engineer at the time he invented it. He had to offer it to them first; they refused for lack of vision, and Apple was created.

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  3. Norzan

    Norzan So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Apr 7, 2017
    I don't think anyone else could have made it worse (not even EA, Activision or any of the greedy companies) because Bethesda's take on it is borderline parody and it completely misses the point of the series. And anything worse would be just whatever because Bethesda did such a piss poor job.

    It's like making a car that can't do anything, but someone else makes the same car but it has no doors. Like, the car already doesn't work, making it worse doesn't do anything because the car doesn't work anyway.

    I would have taken the chance of the franchise dying and down the line maybe someone that gave a shit about the franchise could at least make something at the very least decent out of it. Atom RPG and Underrail are pretty solid games and are much more Fallout than any of the Bethesda crap, so there are companies out there that care about roleplaying elements and quest design that goes beyond "kill this or get this and you get a reward".
     
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  4. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Antediluvian as Feck

    Nov 26, 2007
    I have never believed this to be unintentional; always interpreting it as a deliberate revision for sake of a simpler elevator pitch. It is [sadly] far easier to conceptualize [and easier to sell] a future obsessed with the fifties, than a fifties prediction of the future.
     
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  5. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    The way I see it, at this point we ought to be on the exact same level on them to actually get the conversation *anywhere*. Not saying that we should, but if we could at least have a taste of their own personal experience, maybe then we can get through to them.

    Imagine VD and/or Styg sitting with these guys, holding a list of questions asked by the community, but the asking is filtered through either one of those two, who has solid experience in developing games themselves. VD/Styg might be able to get the answers we truly need, even if we don't really want them in the end. You know, seek and ye shall find, not that you'll know what you actually find until you found it.
     
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  6. JellyJman

    JellyJman First time out of the vault

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    May 6, 2022
    Reading through this stuff by Chris is very interesting. He mentions a good point about the motorcycle and horses. Why include cool scenery with them if you can't control or interact with them? While it's nice to see it will subconsciously remind the player they can't use it and ultimately be a negative experience. Wish they could have used the horses from Oblivion in NV. I guess that would have required a larger map size however and the consoles and their limited memory already held the game back.
     
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  7. Stampedo

    Stampedo First time out of the vault

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    Sounds like Avellone is applying for a job at Bethesda.
     
  8. Hardboiled Android

    Hardboiled Android Vault Fossil

    Jun 7, 2015
    Personally I like the little touch that horses are extinct. All too often it feels like not much has really been lost form the Great War aside from some of the superficial trappings of civilization.
     
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  9. I think the phrase 'silence is worth a thousand words' comes into play here. He's tiptoeing around it. He's frank that he didn't play F4 or f76, but might have to be a bit conscious of what he says because to me, it smells like Bethesda might throw them a new game to make down the road. Even if he swears he won't work on it, doesn't mean it's good to badmouth a potential future partner. Bethesda has Starfield and TES6 coming up, perfect time to throw Fallout to someone else for another spell.

    In which case I'm fine with him not splurging hate or disdain of f3 or whatever. We already do that. RPGcodex does it. He doesn't need to throw his hat into that 16+ year old ring.
     
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  10. Norzan

    Norzan So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Apr 7, 2017
    Yeah, the same man that at this point has his career pretty much dead or nigh impossible to ressurect. And that is if he wins the lawsuit.

    I wasn't asking him to go for full nerd rage and basically scream that the game is trash. I was just expecting something substantive than the crap he said.

    And last, he claimed in a tweet that he's not gonna work in another Fallout ever again. So, what does he gain here? Bethesda is not gonna ask him to come help them make a non-Fallout game they are working on (Emil is pretty much the lead writer and designer at Bethesda at this point), and he just admitted that he won't work any new Fallout game ever again.
     
  11. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Antediluvian as Feck

    Nov 26, 2007
    Both of them said that?
     
  12. Feday Of Madness

    Feday Of Madness Working Class Hero

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    I actually liked it, it was fun
     
  13. Feday Of Madness

    Feday Of Madness Working Class Hero

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    Jun 7, 2022
    I'm glad the creator himself hasn't played fallout 4, gave up after the power armor and deathclaw fight and haven't looked back. I actually got downvoted to hell after mentioning fallout 4 being bland and purposeless back when it was first released. First and last day on reddit what a crap forum.
     
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  14. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Guest

    Reddit is fine if you don't go where all the fanboys hang out. Fanboys are OCD ridden freaks that have no real life so they attach to a fake one.
     
  15. Black_Electric

    Black_Electric It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 7, 2022
    RIP.

    I'll never understand why Odd Howard chooses not to consult with the interplay folks. I feel like their quest for high sales numbers could better be accomplished with good story and level design.
     
  16. Black_Electric

    Black_Electric It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 7, 2022
    My money is on being granted power armor only a couple missions in.
     
  17. Risewild

    Risewild Antediluvian as Feck
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    Jun 14, 2014
    I doubt it. Over the years (and even now) I have seen many people say that FO3 world design and story/writing (yes story and/or writing) are better than the FNV ones.

    If they made those things be in the style of classic Fallouts, they wouldn't have sold as much. Their players would say that they're not very good.

    We have to accept that a large part of their players want things simple and "cool", instead of deep and making sense. It's weird, but it's also true.

    Bethesda is actually quite good at knowing its target audience.
     
  18. eissa

    eissa Artanis "Altáriel" Nerwen Nos Finwe

    Jan 7, 2016
    Count yourself lucky for just being downvoted and not being shadow banned. And losing 6 years account in the process. Yes, being shadow banned means it affect all over reddit, people don't see your comment and your entire history of post, comments prior are also deleted.
     
  19. Feday Of Madness

    Feday Of Madness Working Class Hero

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    Jun 7, 2022
    I don't see that as a problem since I've been banned in every community I've made or been in. A place like reddit seemed like a goldmine but turned out quite abnoxius and superficial. As caesar says it "what a waste of fucking time"
     
  20. Black_Electric

    Black_Electric It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 7, 2022
    Not arguing with you there, they definitely know how to broaden their audience. I just think that can be accomplished whilst also delivering on good story writing and not just throwing dancing emotes and legendary gear at everything.