We can haz discussions without personally insulting the guy, yes?
Fallout: Lonestar releases first development diary
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TorontoReign
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The plot thickens.
Gnarles Bronson
regular mutant
He's a willful public figure, he's fair game for criticism. I don't think anyone is just insulting him out of nowhere.
I feel like your anger made this come across in a way that you didn't intend.
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Criticism is fine. But there's a line where criticism turns into personal insults, and I'd rather we don't cross that line.
Gnarles Bronson
regular mutant
I assume you're talking about this comment:
I don't know, saying that people with deep-seeded personal flaws become outspoken to extreme critics of society seems like a pretty reasonable opinion to have--not saying I agree with it...
I don't know, saying that people with deep-seeded personal flaws become outspoken to extreme critics of society seems like a pretty reasonable opinion to have--not saying I agree with it...
It's a set of personal insults with a very, very tenuous conclusion attached. He could have made the same point without personally insulting the guy.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
What happened to the interwebz? It's full of schoolyard drama novadays.
Gnarles Bronson
regular mutant
That's all it's ever been, that and people talking about how the internet used to be better.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
What a shame that this Lonestar modification is not intended for Fallout 2. I'd use my voodoo doll to punish any naysayers horribly in such case!
CthuluIsSpy
A Smooth-Skin
Yeah, I think Fallout 2 would have been better, as you can have more than 2 companions there.
Seems to be an interesting mod, though the rumor that the devs wanted to make all of the companions women for the sake of "progress" is worrying.
Seems to be an interesting mod, though the rumor that the devs wanted to make all of the companions women for the sake of "progress" is worrying.
I hate the whole 'political correct' mindset.
Characters like Arcade Gannon and Veronica weren't designed to be homosexual and lesbian because the developers felt it was necessary to include that because otherwise they 'weren't with the times'.
These characters were written like this because the designers felt it worked well with them.
Same goes for the whole 'trying to make all companion characters women' for the sake of being gender equal.
Just decide the character's gender on what fits the best with the personality.
Characters like Arcade Gannon and Veronica weren't designed to be homosexual and lesbian because the developers felt it was necessary to include that because otherwise they 'weren't with the times'.
These characters were written like this because the designers felt it worked well with them.
Same goes for the whole 'trying to make all companion characters women' for the sake of being gender equal.
Just decide the character's gender on what fits the best with the personality.
Akratus
Bleep bloop.
Guys, come on, do we really have to do this in every thread now?
On the topic of the mod itself, it's an unfortunate truth of most fan projects that they do not get made. I'd love some quality fan content for New Vegas, but apparently for this project, there's a few issues. .
On the topic of the mod itself, it's an unfortunate truth of most fan projects that they do not get made. I'd love some quality fan content for New Vegas, but apparently for this project, there's a few issues. .
Nas92
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I didn't mean to insult him. I actually don't think gyno, or any other deformity, is laughing matter and I didn't even intend to poke fun at his chubbiness (what I meant by "unfortunate body and face"). I'm just saying that things like that have a significant effect on one's personality, so I can believe these rumors about him wanting to make women unkillable like how Bethesda makes children unkillable.
True, Arcade and Veronica weren't written homosexual because they had to fill a "gay quota". However, with Arcade, I'd say that they presented his homosexuality in a forced manner. That "lover don't make good confidantes" line felt so out of place that I just had to think that they put it there only to say "he fucks men", it was very stupid. It would have felt a lot more natural if his homosexuality was knowledge that you could only get if you had the Confirmed Bachelor perk.
Gay people only talking about homosexuality to gay people is more natural? Huh. I must be living on some alien planet.
Nas92
It Wandered In From the Wastes
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying that the line in which Arcade's homosexuality is revealed is unnatural, it feels forced.
Another thing that makes homosexuality feel forced in the entirety of the game is the fact that there are no homophobic people. Only ones mentioned are Caesar's Legion, but it's not represented in any way.
CthuluIsSpy
A Smooth-Skin
To be fair, there wasn't really any good way to represent it; you only have a glimpse of Legion society, and having a part of the camp dedicated to crucifying homosexuals would be a waste of resources.
If the Legion was a bit more fleshed out though as a faction, perhaps they could have shown their homophobia without going into sheer cartoon villain territory.
Nas92
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Yeah, I guess that makes sense, but with that in mind I think even providing that bit of lore that "Caesar's Legion is homophobic" was a mistake. They should have had just shut up about it, not mention homophobia at all, especially with how irredeemable the Legion already is.
However, I think that not having homophobia in general makes the game lose a bit of credibility. I'd even go so far as saying that they should have allowed the player to be homophobic. Sander made fun of the assumption that gay people can only talk about their sexual orientation to other gay people, and I guess that's fair enough, but think about it a little: whenever you tell someone who isn't gay that you're gay, aren't you taking a risk? A personal example would be one of the people in my circle of friends who I assume revealed that he was gay (I wasn't there when it happened, but from what I heard it's a safe bet that he did) and nobody treated him the same ever again. There wasn't any outright animosity, but they talked about him behind his back, and there was an air of awkwardness when we spoke. I didn't even see him with my circle all that much again. What if me and the rest in my group despised gay people extremely? Why can't the Courier be that? It would have added more character to the entire situation if we would have been able to make rude remarks about his sexuality afterwards. But that is not possible because the game has to be progressive, people would misunderstand. The same reason why Bethesda and Obsidian has to make immortal children. Bleh. I hate it when politics interferes with an otherwise enjoyable vidya experience.
CthuluIsSpy
A Smooth-Skin
Yeah, it does seem peculier how the Legion was singled out as homophobic, but the NCR wasn't.
Are there no homophobes in the NCR?
Perhaps they were implying that the Legion has an official stance on homosexuals, where-as the NCR simply didn't care.
Which makes sense I suppose, but it's still an odd thing to mention.
Are there no homophobes in the NCR?
Perhaps they were implying that the Legion has an official stance on homosexuals, where-as the NCR simply didn't care.
Which makes sense I suppose, but it's still an odd thing to mention.
Gnarles Bronson
regular mutant
I don't think it's all that unreasonable to suppose that three hundred years in the future homophobia is virtually non-existent.
The legion are natural to make homophobic because they are regressive on other issues as well, like women's rights. It's not much of a stretch. Though it would be much more historically accurate if they were all just really into homosexuality--you do have nothing but other dudes in skirts around for miles.
Kind of makes you think twice about--
[video=youtube;2K8_jgiNqUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc&feature=youtu.be[/video]
The legion are natural to make homophobic because they are regressive on other issues as well, like women's rights. It's not much of a stretch. Though it would be much more historically accurate if they were all just really into homosexuality--you do have nothing but other dudes in skirts around for miles.
Kind of makes you think twice about--
[video=youtube;2K8_jgiNqUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc&feature=youtu.be[/video]
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Nas92
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Why would it be non-existent? The anarchy of the bombs falling suddenly made people all accepting, with no one sticking to the old prejudices? Let's not forget that the world retained all the culture of the 50s and from what I remember 1950s US wasn't famous about its kindness to homosexual people.
However, I guess Followers of the Apocalypse would be accepting, more than likely the Fiends and the other junkie raiders, but other than that I can't think of any faction in the Fallout universe that would be accepting toward gay people.