Sigh, another Mark Morgan track bites the dust. Do we have to assume that things like Deionarra's and Annah's themes from Torment are stolen as well, we just don't know from where yet?
Fallout Music
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kirlobertz
First time out of the vault
Some stupid table.
<table border="0" cellpadding="11"><tr><td align="right">Vault City</td><td>µ-ziq — Approaching Menace</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Military Base</td><td>Autechre — Silverside</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Redding</td><td>Snuffy Walden — project blue</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Vault 13</td><td>Brian Eno — Alternaitive 3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Modoc</td><td>Aphex Twin — Lichen, Brian Eno— Discreet Music</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Necropolis</td><td>Aphex Twin — Tassels</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Desert Winds</td><td>Aphex Twin — Grey Stripe</td></tr><tr><td align="right"> Navarro</td><td>Aphex Twin — Hankie</td></tr><tr><td align="right">The Master's Lair</td><td>Aphex Twin — Spots</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Raiders</td><td>Aphex Twin — Weathered Stone</td></tr><tr><td align="right">The Hub</td><td>Aphex Twin — Tree</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Worldmap</td><td>Aphex Twin — Window Sill</td></tr></table>
Is it a part of post-modernist concept of the Fallout games, or i'm just earless paranoid?
<table border="0" cellpadding="11"><tr><td align="right">Vault City</td><td>µ-ziq — Approaching Menace</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Military Base</td><td>Autechre — Silverside</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Redding</td><td>Snuffy Walden — project blue</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Vault 13</td><td>Brian Eno — Alternaitive 3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Modoc</td><td>Aphex Twin — Lichen, Brian Eno— Discreet Music</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Necropolis</td><td>Aphex Twin — Tassels</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Desert Winds</td><td>Aphex Twin — Grey Stripe</td></tr><tr><td align="right"> Navarro</td><td>Aphex Twin — Hankie</td></tr><tr><td align="right">The Master's Lair</td><td>Aphex Twin — Spots</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Raiders</td><td>Aphex Twin — Weathered Stone</td></tr><tr><td align="right">The Hub</td><td>Aphex Twin — Tree</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Worldmap</td><td>Aphex Twin — Window Sill</td></tr></table>
Is it a part of post-modernist concept of the Fallout games, or i'm just earless paranoid?
Wounded Ronin
First time out of the vault
Per said:
Well, if it makes you feel any better, although I liked both those tracks a lot I haven't heard them anywhere else.
korko_czong
First time out of the vault
Hi everyone
Last night when I was listening to some old goa tracks I discovered something that might be interesting:
THIS psytrance track made by SynSun (Ukraine) called 'Protoplasma' contains a sample from Fallout 1 (Teh Masterer speech to be precise).
Hope you like it
Last night when I was listening to some old goa tracks I discovered something that might be interesting:
THIS psytrance track made by SynSun (Ukraine) called 'Protoplasma' contains a sample from Fallout 1 (Teh Masterer speech to be precise).
Hope you like it
Unkillable Cat
Mildly Dipped
For those interested, it's a 13MB download, and the sample can be heard 2:30 minutes into the track.
Is Mark Morgan a cheap copycat?
Seriously.
We already know how his work for FO was influenced by good ol' Aphex Twin. There's even a neat little vid comparing the two on YouTube:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=log0l7UYcR8[/youtube]
That's okay though, right?
Anyway, today I was listening to Mark Morgan's work and this one song of his, 'Follower's Credo', one of his best IMO, damn man, it suddenly struck a chord. That restrained epicness, where had I heard that before?
Just listen to the song refresh your memory:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KXSlzu1HQ[/youtube]
Well, I had to dig deep into my memory for this one, but then I suddenly remembered what it was that I was hearing: Mark Morgan is just looping and doing some variations on the opening of a very epic Alan Silvestri theme from The Abyss, "Bud On The Ledge":
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm66O75ax_w[/youtube]
It's very fucking obvious this one. I owned that Abyss soundtrack in my teens and I played it to death. It's normal that it would make the lightbulb in my head flicker eventually, mister Morgan.
Nah, seriously: is his music mayhaps not much more than putting stolen stuff together? I know it's an awfully nice soundtrack, but - personally - the tracks that appeal most to me seem to be the most unoriginal ones (except for "Dream Town" (Modoc), but in all honesty: that one has always rung a bell as well...).
Discuss.
Seriously.
We already know how his work for FO was influenced by good ol' Aphex Twin. There's even a neat little vid comparing the two on YouTube:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=log0l7UYcR8[/youtube]
That's okay though, right?
Anyway, today I was listening to Mark Morgan's work and this one song of his, 'Follower's Credo', one of his best IMO, damn man, it suddenly struck a chord. That restrained epicness, where had I heard that before?
Just listen to the song refresh your memory:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KXSlzu1HQ[/youtube]
Well, I had to dig deep into my memory for this one, but then I suddenly remembered what it was that I was hearing: Mark Morgan is just looping and doing some variations on the opening of a very epic Alan Silvestri theme from The Abyss, "Bud On The Ledge":
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm66O75ax_w[/youtube]
It's very fucking obvious this one. I owned that Abyss soundtrack in my teens and I played it to death. It's normal that it would make the lightbulb in my head flicker eventually, mister Morgan.
Nah, seriously: is his music mayhaps not much more than putting stolen stuff together? I know it's an awfully nice soundtrack, but - personally - the tracks that appeal most to me seem to be the most unoriginal ones (except for "Dream Town" (Modoc), but in all honesty: that one has always rung a bell as well...).
Discuss.
This is very peculiar.
Bud on the Ledge and Followers' Credo only sound similar in some places, but I really don't think Morgan copied that one (if he copied his songs at all).
I don't think the songs are close enough to say they're copied, but inspired - maybe. Or he could have just done it unconsciously without knowing that he was basing it off another song he heard.
If he did copy songs, however - who knows - maybe the reason Bethesda/Obsidian don't want him for new Fallout games could be because of stuff like this. Afraid of copyright infringement that was previously gotten away with, and with Fallout 3 and New Vegas being more mainstream games, more people would hear the soundtrack. Bear in mind, this is just a minor possibility, even I don't believe it.
Bud on the Ledge and Followers' Credo only sound similar in some places, but I really don't think Morgan copied that one (if he copied his songs at all).
I don't think the songs are close enough to say they're copied, but inspired - maybe. Or he could have just done it unconsciously without knowing that he was basing it off another song he heard.
If he did copy songs, however - who knows - maybe the reason Bethesda/Obsidian don't want him for new Fallout games could be because of stuff like this. Afraid of copyright infringement that was previously gotten away with, and with Fallout 3 and New Vegas being more mainstream games, more people would hear the soundtrack. Bear in mind, this is just a minor possibility, even I don't believe it.
Reconite said:
Seriously?
Sorry mods/admins: maybe you should merge my post with this famous Mark Morgan thread (I couldn't find it at first):
http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9511&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40
It's just another Mark Morgan composition that bites the dust, Reconite. Nothing new. Sure: he added a lot of new stuff, but that opening is so so stolen.
What makes it even more likely that Morgan ripped off Alan Silvestri is this: "Follower's Credo" is used for The Enclave. They are located on a drilling platform in the middle of the ocean.
The Abyss is about people on a (submerged) drilling platform in the middle of the ocean.
I are so smart!
The Abyss is about people on a (submerged) drilling platform in the middle of the ocean.
I are so smart!
No fucking way, I can't believe this fucking thread, that Mark fucking Morgan is such a big fat fucking fuck !
I've never been a fan of ambient music so I never had the tools to uncover that big fat fucking weasel fuck, even if I've loved the FO OST ever since I played the game for hundreds of hours, but this is so blatantly obvious and insulting, all this time I thought he was a genius.
My heart is a little broken now.
At least have the decency, respect and dignity to quote your fucking sources big fat fucking Mark fucking Morgan, I know I do ! No fucking way is that just inspiration, it's flat-out theft !
No wonder he claims the music was done in two weeks, no wonder he's not very visible around anywhere, no wonder FO3 was without him and no wonder he's going to publish his fucking shit on some shady Russian label/website...
At least now I feel better about my work, even if I modify and twist everything I use a lot more, I do quote every singe bit of heterogeneous work I've used....
I can't believe this shit...
(sorry for going a bit south park on the issue but I'm shaking in disgust!
)
I've never been a fan of ambient music so I never had the tools to uncover that big fat fucking weasel fuck, even if I've loved the FO OST ever since I played the game for hundreds of hours, but this is so blatantly obvious and insulting, all this time I thought he was a genius.
My heart is a little broken now.
At least have the decency, respect and dignity to quote your fucking sources big fat fucking Mark fucking Morgan, I know I do ! No fucking way is that just inspiration, it's flat-out theft !
No wonder he claims the music was done in two weeks, no wonder he's not very visible around anywhere, no wonder FO3 was without him and no wonder he's going to publish his fucking shit on some shady Russian label/website...
At least now I feel better about my work, even if I modify and twist everything I use a lot more, I do quote every singe bit of heterogeneous work I've used....
I can't believe this shit...
(sorry for going a bit south park on the issue but I'm shaking in disgust!
)PainlessDocM
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi6FdN64mck[/youtube]
I'm no doctor
First time out of the vault
Wow, I'm surprised this thread is still alive after six years...sort of.
I got here by googling "fallout the stand." It was on today while I was in the kitchen making dinner. I immediately recognized it and was like, "what the fuck?" I felt so...so...betrayed. *Sob*
I got here by googling "fallout the stand." It was on today while I was in the kitchen making dinner. I immediately recognized it and was like, "what the fuck?" I felt so...so...betrayed. *Sob*
coliphorbs
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
PainlessDocM said:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi6FdN64mck[/youtube]
...This is hands down the most depressing one. It is the definitive Fallout mood setter, and it turns out it is a complete plagiarism.
Didn't Mark Morgan said that he got music examples from the dev team back in the days and based on this, he should made the soundtrack?
G-OST: We have the information, that Tim Cain in one of his interviews told, that he likes dark gloomy kind of music and is a big fan of Aphex Twin. Some Fallout compositions are VERY similar to Aphex works… Is there any connection, Mr. Morgan? Or, maybe, you intend to say you don’t know neither Tim nor Aphex ?
Mark: When Interplay was thinking of using me for the game, they sent over some music that they liked and wanted me to do something similar as a demo. The CD they sent me had no titles or artists’ names, just a few pieces of unidentified music. I gave Interplay what they wanted and I think they must have used some of my demo in the final game. At the time, I wasn’t familiar with the work of Aphex Twin. To me, it was just my interpretation of what Interplay asked for.
?Mark: When Interplay was thinking of using me for the game, they sent over some music that they liked and wanted me to do something similar as a demo. The CD they sent me had no titles or artists’ names, just a few pieces of unidentified music. I gave Interplay what they wanted and I think they must have used some of my demo in the final game. At the time, I wasn’t familiar with the work of Aphex Twin. To me, it was just my interpretation of what Interplay asked for.
Only "Vault 13" (though it's really the 'Military Base' theme) and 'Worldmap' are correct.kirlobertz said:Some stupid table.
<table border="0" cellpadding="11"><tr><td align="right">Vault City</td><td>µ-ziq — Approaching Menace</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Military Base</td><td>Autechre — Silverside</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Redding</td><td>Snuffy Walden — project blue</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Vault 13</td><td>Brian Eno — Alternaitive 3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Modoc</td><td>Aphex Twin — Lichen, Brian Eno— Discreet Music</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Necropolis</td><td>Aphex Twin — Tassels</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Desert Winds</td><td>Aphex Twin — Grey Stripe</td></tr><tr><td align="right"> Navarro</td><td>Aphex Twin — Hankie</td></tr><tr><td align="right">The Master's Lair</td><td>Aphex Twin — Spots</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Raiders</td><td>Aphex Twin — Weathered Stone</td></tr><tr><td align="right">The Hub</td><td>Aphex Twin — Tree</td></tr><tr><td align="right">Worldmap</td><td>Aphex Twin — Window Sill</td></tr></table>
Is it a part of post-modernist concept of the Fallout games, or i'm just earless paranoid?
The rest is bullshit.
I personally think Desert Wind and City of Lost Angels are masterpieces by Mark Morgan. And I like them both better than Aphex 's work.
My favorite works by Aphex Twin are tracks like Rhubarb, Stone in Focus, and Quino-phec.
Heck, all five of those tracks share some similarities, that's why I love them, the monotonous wave-like sound.
My favorite works by Aphex Twin are tracks like Rhubarb, Stone in Focus, and Quino-phec.
Heck, all five of those tracks share some similarities, that's why I love them, the monotonous wave-like sound.