Fanatic for the Enclave - Glory to the Enclave

[Tagaziel]

Sorry if considered to be a necroposting, but I want just to say "Hi!" to the topic-starter. You are not alone here! We the Enclave supporters are scorned and disapproved among the Fallout community, but we still exist and stay faithful to our chosen faction. And I believe Enclave will return in further games, if not in Fo4 than later, as it's an integral part of the Fallout universe, a kind of a well-known "trademark" which will always attract gamers, and let's remember that without Enclave (pre-war government) the whole story would be impossible. They just can't die so easily, they must have other, even more powerful bases, don't forget about Chicago! Even if Raven Rock is destroyed it doesn't mean the President's death, this is not an easy killable human. In all probability Eden must have reserve copies of oneself. Lets await a great Chicago base and our President safe and sound!

The Enclave is dead. They've been destroyed five times over. First, their headquarters and primary industrial base was nuked, then Navarro was conquered by the NCR, then the Battle of Project Purity wiped out the bulk of their forces, then Raven Rock fell and with it their President and primary East Coast manufacturing base, and finally, their sole remaining stronghold, Adams AFB was conquered by El Dubya and their remaining functioning center of manufacture and command, the crawler, nuked from orbit.


It doesn't get any deader than this. Your argument reduces it to little more than Cobra, a nuisance that keeps popping up, gets defeated, and its commander runs away screaming "ENCLAVE RETREEEEEAAAAAT! DAMN YOU [insert GI Joe knock-off here]!"


By the way, Chicago base doesn't exist. If it did, ED-E wouldn't continue on patched with registration plates and scraps of metal, the hallmark of ad hoc wastelander repairs, not Enclave quality.

Concerning their "racist" ideas I don't think they are just primitive racists. Thereby they don't hate any mutants, they hate "Wasteland mentality" and "Wasteland spirit", they want to get rid of it together with all Wasteland monsters and then turn Wasteland into a normal country. What is a proof?
1) In Fo2 it was possible to serve in the Enclave for non-enclave people.
2) Frank Horrigan from Fo2 was a supermutant, but he was initially in the Enclave and was really trustworthy.
3) Anna Holt from Fo3 is a wastelander, but a gifted scientist, therefore useful.

Everything is covered in this article, with appropriate references everywhere.


But I'll indulge you. The Enclave was planning total global genocide of all humans outside of the Enclave. That is the scope of the project, based on pseudo-scientific racialist bullshit cultivated by the higher ups. Here's a few quotes:


Dick Richardson: "{244}{prs43}{To turn it into a staggeringly effective killer. Any humanoid that isn't inoculated against its effects before its release, will die. That is the Project.}"


Dick Richardson: "{236}{prs40a}{The only way for true humans, and democracy, to be safe is to cleanse the mutants from the globe. We humans will take back that which is rightfully ours.}"


Dick Richardson: "{265}{prs50}{You can't stop it. The tests are complete and the toxin is ready for release. In hours, your villagers will be the first to make the ultimate sacrifice. The other mutants will follow. An unfortunate footnote in the continuing history of the human race.}"


The racialist bullshit is evident in the argumentation:


Charles Curling: "{170}{}{Why, I thought that I had made myself perfectly clear. The conclusion that you, and all your kind, are no longer human. In order to retake the earth and to maintain the integrity of the human race, all you mutants will have to be destroyed.}"


So background radiation makes people no longer human? Gee, I guess survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are subhuman freaks.


Dick Richardson: "{291}{prs61}{So what? If your kind is allowed to flourish it'll mean the end of the human race as we know it. We can't allow radioactive freaks to squeeze humans into extinction.}"


The Chosen One: "{292}{}{I think you're overestimating things a bit.}"


Dick Richardson: "{293}{prs62}{Not at all. Look to the future. Sure muties and men could get along for a while, but before you know it, the numeric pressure of your kind would tell. No, a line must be drawn in the sand - the buck stops here.}"


The Enclave has fabricated an arbitrary criterion to make the global extermination of humanity palatable to itself. It doesn't get any more Nazi than that. Wait, scratch that, at least the Nazis expanded their definition of race to include a few more "races" than just Aryan. For the Enclave, the only requirement for being human is being a part of it:


The Project holodisk: "In either case, the F.E.V.'s toxicity levels are now sufficient to insure a "clean-sweep" of all infested (i.e. non-Enclave) locales. Current releasable levels of F.E.V. Curling-13 show a 95% probability of .00007% average saturation. While the consensus of the Chemical Corps is that this would be a sufficient level to insure the success of the Project, we believe that it is worth waiting until we can accumulate enough F.E.V. toxin to reach our .0001% saturation and 99.5% extermination level goal."






The next three points deserve an individual breakdown:


1) No, it was not possible. There was no non-Enclave personnel in its ranks. The fact that the Chosen One can masquerade as an Enclave transfer is because they masquerade as a transfer from another military base on the mainland. The Enclave's racialist policies preclude this possibility.


2) Frank Horrigan was treated as a living weapon, not a human being.


3) Anna Holt was recruited, yes, because Autumn was the only Enclave leader in the series who wasn't a cartoon villain trying to wipe out the wasteland for fuck all reason.

Enclave doesn't hate all Wastelanders only because of mutations, the key is in the cultural aversion. If they want to restore the world, they need 2 things - safe space and normal citizens. Most of the wastelanders cannot be such citizens due to the absence of education and wild, cruel, obscurant mentality. BoS stands apart here, they are quite a freaky organization, but I'd like to unite them with the Enclave. Except BoS and some civilized oasises like Vegas the Wasteland is a real hell full of dreadful violence, slavery, cannibalism and all sort of disgusting things.

What. Now you're just inventing things. The Enclave seeks to exterminate humanity worldwide because they consider them mutants. There is no other reason. There is no cultural aversion, indeed, the Enclave is far more savage and primitive in its obscurantism and hatred than most of the wasteland.


Your argument that the wasteland is hell with no safe space or normal citizens is laughable. Did you miss the New California Republic? A true nation of 700,000 citizens that has brought prosperity, political franchise, stability, and safety to New California? That achieved everything without committing genocide? Which has achieved everything the Enclave claims it will, but without being cheap Nazi knock-offs?


And the Brotherhood standing out? For M'Atra's sake, they're tech raiders with a xenophobic mentality. It is also pretty telling that you ignore the fact that the Enclave is responsible for lots of dreadful violence and slavery in the wastes: Executions, enslaving people for forced labor, providing guns to mobsters, and so on and so forth.

Enclave is technically advanced but small faction, they cant' control all the Wasteland to provide an order everywhere. What will they do with the bulk of primitive and aggressive tribes? Send them to the school and teach good manners? They have no resources for it. So they choose an evil but the most effective way of clearing the Wasteland of savages and raiders.

Your ridiculous false dichotomy is, well, ridiculous. The Enclave doesn't have to control all of the wasteland to achieve its goals, nor does it have to exterminate anyone. It's not a binary situation. Without the bullshit Nazi racism they could integrate themselves into New California like the Brotherhood did after 2161: As a major research and development house, living in isolated communities outside the power structure, but without killing people for shits and giggles.


You know, become an actual enclave in the wasteland.

Releasing the virus they kill 3 birds with one stone:
1) All monsters, including aggressive supermutants and ghouls are eliminated.
2) They get rid of savages, raiders - communities than cannot be civilized quickly.
3) All other enemies like BoS and NCR army are killed.

It seems you fail to realize that the Enclave wants to kill every human outside its own organization, world-fucking-wide. That's what people take issue with: You defending a completely and utterly monstrous plan to murder humanity on a global scale.


Then again, a million is a statistic, right?

I don't approve all their previous actions and would also change this plan a bit, initiating some kind of a "talent search" program in order to find more scientists and skilled, educated people, and give the fev-cure to the civilized communities. Anyway it would be more logically correct to hire wastelanders instead of risking their own lives.

Kind of like the Nazis allowed Jews with usable skills to live a while longer in concentration camps, eh?

 

[Visajala]

It's all about the Enclave... when someone is going to be LegionFoverer?

Have already seen such gamers on other forums. To my mind Supporting Legion is useless in the long term for civilization.

What is this goddamn obsession with having the Enclave all over North America?!

Not all of us are from the USA. The Enclave is worldwide

3) There is a very thick line between roleplaying and actually believing that a faction is real

I don't think someone believes Fallout world to be real.

4) What is there to admire in a corrupted and fascistic faction?

Enclave is the most technically advanced faction, most capable of restoring the civilization and developing the science, even though their means are not too kind. Fascism is more about the Legion.

The Enclave is dead. They've been destroyed five times over. First, their headquarters and primary industrial base was nuked, then Navarro was conquered by the NCR, then the Battle of Project Purity wiped out the bulk of their forces, then Raven Rock fell and with it their President and primary East Coast manufacturing base, and finally, their sole remaining stronghold, Adams AFB was conquered by El Dubya and their remaining functioning center of manufacture and command, the crawler, nuked from orbit.

Time will show if they are really dead, i still hold the opinion about the Enclave being alive and having more bases. It's just the matter of attitude. I've only replied to the topicstarter's thread in order put myself onto the list of the Enclave supporters. My answer wasn't aimed to kindle a fire of the strife. I'm not trying to convince anyone of the Enclave survival. Other people may think whatever they want - that Enclave is fascist, dead, stupid and everything else, this won't prevent me from supporting the Enclave as well as my views won't affect your opinion. Lets everyone keep ones beliefs.

I've read all the same arguments against Enclave in the thread, there is no need to dispute once more. I also agree with some of them. But no one is perfect, there's no perfect and entirely good factions in Fallout. If I side with the faction I admit its minuses, though I can criticize its policies and actions.
If I were an Enclave's President I'd change our plans a bit but there's no such option in the game, so I must put up with what is available.

The Enclave has fabricated an arbitrary criterion to make the global extermination of humanity palatable to itself. It doesn't get any more Nazi than that.

Psychological trick called "the dehumanization of enemy". If their ideology sounded "all over the wasteland there are raiders and wild tribes which must be exterminated", there would be a chance that not all people would agree with it due to humanistic reasons. But if wastelanders are called mutants it sounds really scary and excludes them out of the human race, leaving no chance of sympathy for them. And this is even not a lie, they actually are mutants.
If people don't say something openly, it doesn't mean nothing else is hidden behind the words.

The next three points deserve an individual breakdown:
1) No, it was not possible. There was no non-Enclave personnel in its ranks. The fact that the Chosen One can masquerade as an Enclave transfer is because they masquerade as a transfer from another military base on the mainland. The Enclave's racialist policies preclude this possibility.
2) Frank Horrigan was treated as a living weapon, not a human being.
3) Anna Holt was recruited, yes, because Autumn was the only Enclave leader in the series who wasn't a cartoon villain trying to wipe out the wasteland for fuck all reason.

At least it shows examples of mutants and wastelanders serving in the Enclave. Maybe in the future games we'll see more collaboration.

Please, don't forget all what I'm speaking about is based Fallout 3 events (with the Enclave ending, I've nuked the Bos put virus into the water). F3 has an open ending, it's possible to fulfill the President's order. I did it and in my game the Capital wasteland belongs to the Enclave. But even destruction of the Raven rock doesn't mean the death of the Enclave for me, as I stated before.

Your argument that the wasteland is hell with no safe space or normal citizens is laughable.

I wrote "except civilized places". To my mind It would be a good deal to ally with the NCR. But I'm not the President... NCR is a decent faction but it degraded much in the FoNV, being hardly able to oppose the technically and socially restarted Roman-cosplayers.

It is also pretty telling that you ignore the fact that the Enclave is responsible for lots of dreadful violence and slavery in the wastes: Executions, enslaving people for forced labor, providing guns to mobsters, and so on and so forth.

I don't deny Enclave's responsibility for the bad deeds. I think they did it because there was no place for the wastelanders in their future plans, so they just didn't care.

Enclave is technically advanced but small faction, they cant' control all the Wasteland to provide an order everywhere. What will they do with the bulk of primitive and aggressive tribes? Send them to the school and teach good manners? They have no resources for it. So they choose an evil but the most effective way of clearing the Wasteland of savages and raiders.

Your ridiculous false dichotomy is, well, ridiculous. The Enclave doesn't have to control all of the wasteland to achieve its goals, nor does it have to exterminate anyone. It's not a binary situation. Without the bullshit Nazi racism they could integrate themselves into New California like the Brotherhood did after 2161: As a major research and development house, living in isolated communities outside the power structure, but without killing people for shits and giggles.

Enclave's plan is the quickest and easiest way. It also prevents the very probable fight for power between factions inside the big community.

I can compare the whole situation with the vile computer virus that had stroke your Windows system including all the files and made it awfully glitchy. There are 2 ways of coping with it. 1) Trying to restore the system, which will demand a great amount of time, effort and maybe money to hire a specialist, but there won't be a guarantee of a stable work in the future. 2) Saving the most important files (though they are infected), formating the disc and installing the fresh system - easy and quickly.

You defending a completely and utterly monstrous plan to murder humanity on a global scale.

Yes I do.

 

[Languorous_Maiar]

I'll repeat my supposition that if they were "scattered across the planet and the continent" it would be inconvenient to gather all of them in one time: too many people, too dangerous etc. Acting this way they might have invited people from other places by turn or just inoculate the population of closely set places and send the inoculation via ships/planes to the distant ones. It would be easier, sparing and safer.

This phrase "scattered across the planet and the continent" also can serve as kind of a proof of the Enclave further existence.

Future predictions hardly can be made without assumptions

Do you realize that phrase is about non-enclave factions having same origin? You can't say. "Enclave still exists, because some other factions like Enclave (remnants of government) exists." Absurd.

Maybe I'm mistaken in this point. People who played Fo2 convinced me this is true and I read in the gameplay description the same. I wonder why doesn't anyone from the Enclave stuff ask the ChosenOne where is he/she from? Why don't they suspect someone is able to kill an Enclave soldier and acquire an armor this way? It would be rationally to check every new recruit for not being a spy or saboteur.

And they're checking you. Chris is doing it.

His words:
"Damn. Sorry for the hassles. I'm supposed to clear a bunch of newbies coming through here but I got to weed out the trash. Anyway, just go up to the gate, through the woods there, and give 'em the password. It's 'sheepshead.' Oh, and stay on the path!"

And killing Enclave soldier? Are you kidding yes? As far as I remember, the only case when someone got killed, was in Mariposa, when super mutants rebelled against them...

(btw. how do you want to kill Enclave soldier, without destroying his power armor first? And then having ability to use it? Uh.)

Btw. I would recommend you to read entire Fallout Bible. Chris Avellone repeats a lot of times that "Enclave got destroyed" and only Navarro is mentioned in the context of the possible remants, but it's nevery antything more than Navarro, obviously indicating that besides Oil Rig and Navarro itself, there was no personel in other outposts. Also he mentions that Enclave may be active only in northern california, what entire situation in-game proves.

It's really mad and ridiculous, that for you, your assumptions are more "right" than quotes from games/developrs.

Not only we have in entire fallout fandom ignorants praising f3 over everything, but people like you, going full enclavefan saying- I LIKE THEM, SO THEY ARE NOT DEFEATED. gosh

 

[Harken]

It's all about the Enclave... when someone is going to be LegionFoverer?

The Enclave did get really popular after their reprise in New Vegas. If the Legion had some more interesting or likable characters a similar response could be had. Part of it might be aesthetic too. Even back in the day, the Enclave had this badass, menacing power armor that made them genuinely dangerous at that. Legion? Repurposed football armor. Borderline narm. Enclave were also supremacist omnicidal maniacs, whereas the Legion came off as sexist tiny super mutants in silly outfits with spears. The latter does come off as inferior, ineffective, and alienates potential fans.

I guess some people are just into evil sometimes. I mean, Vulpes Inculta managed to somehow garner a fanbase among some communities despite all of his... problems. Among some groups, he was the ensemble Darkhorse like the Remnants in most others, so once all of them are cool and creepy, we'll see something happen, I think.

 

[naossano]

whereas the Legion came off as sexist tiny super mutants in silly outfits with spears.

What do you mean by tiny super-mutants ?

 

[Tagaziel]

Time will show if they are really dead, i still hold the opinion about the Enclave being alive and having more bases. It's just the matter of attitude. I've only replied to the topicstarter's thread in order put myself onto the list of the Enclave supporters. My answer wasn't aimed to kindle a fire of the strife. I'm not trying to convince anyone of the Enclave survival. Other people may think whatever they want - that Enclave is fascist, dead, stupid and everything else, this won't prevent me from supporting the Enclave as well as my views won't affect your opinion. Lets everyone keep ones beliefs.

Don't expect anyone to respect your views or opinions if you put yourself firmly in the camp of people supporting a group of totally-not-Nazis who planned to murder people worldwide just so that they can implement their vision of world order. Fictional or not, supporting such a faction will annoy people, myself included.

I've read all the same arguments against Enclave in the thread, there is no need to dispute once more. I also agree with some of them. But no one is perfect, there's no perfect and entirely good factions in Fallout. If I side with the faction I admit its minuses, though I can criticize its policies and actions.
If I were an Enclave's President I'd change our plans a bit but there's no such option in the game, so I must put up with what is available.

The minus being wiping out humanity. The Enclave isn't grey by any stretch of the word. They were ready to murder millions just so a thousand, maybe a few hundred more, would rule to inherit the world. Their plan wasn't even going to work.

Psychological trick called "the dehumanization of enemy". If their ideology sounded "all over the wasteland there are raiders and wild tribes which must be exterminated", there would be a chance that not all people would agree with it due to humanistic reasons. But if wastelanders are called mutants it sounds really scary and excludes them out of the human race, leaving no chance of sympathy for them. And this is even not a lie, they actually are mutants.
If people don't say something openly, it doesn't mean nothing else is hidden behind the words.

It is a lie, because every human being is a mutant. We aren't simple remixes of our parents' genes, our DNA mutates spontaneously due to environmental factors (and sometimes, even without them), meaning that the Enclave's justification for extermination is non-scientific, like the Nazis' definition of race. Hell, the Enclave, by its own definition, is subhuman, because there's no way in hell there's no genetic deterioration creeping into their very limited genepool.

It's funny that you support the Enclave, when in all probability, you'd be born outside of it and sentenced to die.

At least it shows examples of mutants and wastelanders serving in the Enclave. Maybe in the future games we'll see more collaboration.

Please, don't forget all what I'm speaking about is based Fallout 3 events (with the Enclave ending, I've nuked the Bos put virus into the water). F3 has an open ending, it's possible to fulfill the President's order. I did it and in my game the Capital wasteland belongs to the Enclave. But even destruction of the Raven rock doesn't mean the death of the Enclave for me, as I stated before.

Fallout 3 doesn't have an open ending. You're railroaded into destroying the Enclave and supporting the Brotherhood. It is impossible for your game to have the Enclave rule the Capital Wasteland, because to complete it, it's mandatory to destroy the Enclave's presence and cripple its ability to project power. Without Raven Rock and Adams, they have nowhere to manufacture new weapons, new ammo, robots, Vertibirds, train personnel, do research, treat their wounded, nothing. And you destroy them yourself.

Putting the virus in the water doesn't make you an Enclave member or supporter, it just makes you an asshole. Same for nuking the Citadel (though I'd debate that, given how useless Lyons is).

I wrote "except civilized places". To my mind It would be a good deal to ally with the NCR. But I'm not the President... NCR is a decent faction but it degraded much in the FoNV, being hardly able to oppose the technically and socially restarted Roman-cosplayers.

Degraded? The New California Republic developed in FNV. They are capable of projecting military power into Nevada, they have carved out a mighty nation with safety and prosperity for hundreds of thousands of people, up to a million, and control the entirety of New California. They have done far more in less than a century than the Enclave ever did in close to two hundred years.

The fact that you refer to the Legion as Roman cosplayers shows that you know fuck all about what the Legion is, how it operates, or what its goals are.

I don't deny Enclave's responsibility for the bad deeds. I think they did it because there was no place for the wastelanders in their future plans, so they just didn't care.

Too bad "not caring" doesn't abrogate responsibility for their actions. The Enclave got destroyed and hunted down for good reason, much like the Allies and the Soviet Union chased down the Nazis after World War II (of course, the Soviets should've been hunted down as well, but you do what you can, not what you want to do).

Enclave's plan is the quickest and easiest way. It also prevents the very probable fight for power between factions inside the big community.

I can compare the whole situation with the vile computer virus that had stroke your Windows system including all the files and made it awfully glitchy. There are 2 ways of coping with it. 1) Trying to restore the system, which will demand a great amount of time, effort and maybe money to hire a specialist, but there won't be a guarantee of a stable work in the future. 2) Saving the most important files (though they are infected), formating the disc and installing the fresh system - easy and quickly.

No, it is not. Have you stopped to think about it? The Republic has done more than the Enclave did, without their advantage of having high technology and unparalleled military weaponry and armor, in less time. The Republic was born in 2186. By 2281 it is a mighty nation with hundreds of thousands of free citizens. The Enclave, between 2077 and 2241, remained a small group of prejudiced assholes twiddling their thumbs, doing nothing as their own country fell apart around them. They betrayed the United States and let it burn.

Now, when the people are finally rebuilding civilization and are far successful at it than the Enclave ever was, it wants to wipe out humanity because they're better than them. Your absolutely ridiculous explanation that it's like formatting a drive and reinstalling the system is not only completely baseless (the world isn't a computer), but there's also no reason to reinstall the system, because the world is fixing itself without outside intervention You know, the nation of hundreds of thousands of citizens? The one that controls New California and has brought safety, prosperity, political franchise, and simple stability to hundreds of thousands of human beings?

I'll give you one thing, though: There's one point where the comparison with a computer virus is valid. The Enclave is a virus, seeking to wipe the wasteland, destroy everything that's in it, and institute its own order. Hey, kind of like a computer virus that wipes drives, destroys files, and slaves the computer to a botnet!

Yes I do.

Then expect to have your position torn apart.

 

[No Man]

There were only two things good about the Enclave IMO. One was the APA, which was fucking sweet (and replaced with the Midwestern BoS armour coloured dark gray in FO3, sadly) and made the person wearing it look like a walking tank - really intimidating. The best translation into 3D Fallouts was probably done here. The other thing was the Remnants in FNV, who were actual likable characters.

In FO2 they were just cartoonishly evil, which was the point, but it was a point I didn't really like. A matter of preference, I guess, but Richardson ain't no Grey.

In FO3 we have the Enclave that has been decimated, but are back stronger than ever. Apparently, they have traded their logic for manpower. The side effect was a Colonel born and raised on the Oil Rig gaining a southern accent. And while going through the Midwest, they stole a bunch of PAs from the local BoS chapter, painted them gray (wouldn't want to have any colours outside of the GameBoy palette, would we?) and thought 'Well, they offer much less protection and intimidation value, but let's toss the old APAs away and call this one APAs, shall we?' - again, logic for manpower.

 

[Harken]

whereas the Legion came off as sexist tiny super mutants in silly outfits with spears.

What do you mean by tiny super-mutants ?

Well, like how the Unity tried to assimilate all humans, the Legion assimilated many tribes. I suppose that was a bit far-fetched in hindsight.

 

[No Man]

Well, Sallow's 'Pax Romana' speech is a bit similar to Grey's 'Master Race' speech.

I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempts to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the in-fighting, the corruption. Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. In Rome I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana."

The Unity will bring about the master race. Master! Master! One able to survive, or even thrive, in the wasteland. As long as there are differences, we will tear ourselves apart fighting each other. We need one race. Race! Race! One goal. Goal! Goal! One people . . . to move forward to our destiny. Destiny.

But then again, how many Fallout antagonists didn't want to 'unify the wastes' in some way. Grey, Richardson, Autumn, Eden, Sallow, Kimball, Elijah - all wanted to 'get rid of the fractured, corrupt wasteland and start anew'.

 

[Tagaziel]

But then again, how many Fallout antagonists didn't want to 'unify the wastes' in some way. Grey, Richardson, Autumn, Eden, Sallow, Kimball, Elijah - all wanted to 'get rid of the fractured, corrupt wasteland and start anew'.

Not really, no.

 

[No Man]

It is a stretch to say they all want the same, but on the most basic level their agendas end with 'X controls the wasteland'.

• Grey and Sallow are obvious and I've already posted their respectable quotes that say so outright
• Richardson and Eden (listed together because the latter is practically a copy of the former stuffed in a computer) want the Enclave to retake USA with only the Enclave alive - thus leaving only one faction in the wasteland
• Autumn wants the Enclave to control the wasteland and use the purifier as a way to get the people to follow
• Kimball leads the NCR - a constantly expanding nation
• Elijah wants to make his own nation - even though it's twisted and probably doomed to fail

Make a nation. The Cloud allows me to wipe the slate clean. Collars ensure cooperation. Holograms - defense. The Vending Machines provide... everything else. The Sierra Madre can kill nations and build them, using its technology with the right applications."

Look, I've screwed up the choice of words here, but I'm not saying they wanted to 'stop antagonisms, unite the wasteland under their rule and remove all diversity' (it is what I said, isn't it? Dammit). All I'm saying here is that if they succeeded the wasteland (or at least a significant part of it) would be controlled by one group/person.

 

[Languorous_Maiar]

I was always wondering.
Elijah wanted to kill everybody besides BoS and if not, how he wanted to populate wasteland? With what people?
He was not only one man, but elder and kinda sickly. Using collars on some part of population wasn't the option, because after his death out of nowhere, it would be doomed as No Man said.

And you did not posted other antagonists:
Big MT - doing experiments on all wasteland (cut from the game after all)
Ulysses - nuking NCR

 

[No Man]

I didn't mention them, because the Think Tank doesn't give a crap about the wasteland as a place or the people in it - they just want to use it as a testing ground, not take it over. And Ulysses is so cryptic, I don't really know what he wants.

I think Elijah is so focused on technology, he no longer even notices people. He's the Brotherhood's self-destructive attitude taken to the extreme. He got so obsessed with Sierra Madre and his vision, that he couldn't even see that it wasn't viable anymore. His 'nation' would be as doomed as the BoS is, gathering heaps of tech, thinking it will save them from dying out.