zioburosky13
Vault Senior Citizen
Question is: will Fallout 3 come with its game editor?
Feels like Oblivion
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zioburosky13 said:
Not confirmed. As far as I can remember, they are not sure about releasing modding tools.
Lexx said:
Not confirmed, but Emil sounded fairly positive about the idea in the lastest interview/ Q&A.
We'll see. I certainly hope they release the tools, instead of downloadable content or add-ons. I doubt it, though.
It'll have a lot to do with the game's sales and reception.
Okay...they have confirmed it themselves...the game sucks !
Sebastian of the Wastes
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I'm ... lost about Fallout 3 .... I want to give it it's fair shake ... I really do .... but I don't want Fallout Oblivion ... I want Fallout 3 ... it didn't have to be isometric or even turn based, frankly, though I would have preferred those things.
In the end, my only real requirement has been that it NOT be Oblivion with guns ... and while I always tried to delude myself that it would be something more then that (cause I actually liked Oblivion) I can't help but think that it's time to start facing the facts. It's Oblivion with guns. And if it is .. if it does end up being that way, then it's a shame that Bethesda sold this game short and didn't try something better then what they already had.
Bah, why did I look at this news post. Damnit.
In the end, my only real requirement has been that it NOT be Oblivion with guns ... and while I always tried to delude myself that it would be something more then that (cause I actually liked Oblivion) I can't help but think that it's time to start facing the facts. It's Oblivion with guns. And if it is .. if it does end up being that way, then it's a shame that Bethesda sold this game short and didn't try something better then what they already had.
Bah, why did I look at this news post. Damnit.
Goddamnit why do they have to compare it to Oblivion ALL THE TIME?!
How many times did they compare it to the original games? Once? Twice?
They should really start to talk about it as a Fallout sequel (which it is suppose to be) instead of saying how much it differs from or is the same as Oblivion if they want people stop calling it Oblivion with Guns.
How many times did they compare it to the original games? Once? Twice?
They should really start to talk about it as a Fallout sequel (which it is suppose to be) instead of saying how much it differs from or is the same as Oblivion if they want people stop calling it Oblivion with Guns.
zioburosky13 said:
In my, unsupported by any recent press releases opinion - no way in hell. The Horse Armor Incident showed that the last thing Todd and Pete want us to do is to upgrade the game for free. New skins for them nukular cars, anyone? Then again I really want to be wrong about this and see them giving 'the angry mob at NMA' a chance. And if that optimistic thinking fails, we still have the Russians and their innate ability to laugh at the impossible.
Mord_Sith
Mildly Dipped
Woo! Go Russians!
One counterpoint though Maszin, I've heard countless times that Oblivion is terrible in it's Vanilla state, and that the modders actually made the game as viable as it was, if they take away that function, what's left for the game, a romp, stomp, & dump cycle that'll leave the fans disenchanted and disillusioned.
Although I do hope that Bethsoft falls flat on their faces for their design choices, I'm not going to make the mistake of believing that they're daft, they're in the business to make money, and they wouldn't bastardize the series if they thought they couldn't make money out of it, and part of that is catering to the Bethdrone crowd, and a large part of that crowd is the modders or mod enjoyers.
One counterpoint though Maszin, I've heard countless times that Oblivion is terrible in it's Vanilla state, and that the modders actually made the game as viable as it was, if they take away that function, what's left for the game, a romp, stomp, & dump cycle that'll leave the fans disenchanted and disillusioned.
Although I do hope that Bethsoft falls flat on their faces for their design choices, I'm not going to make the mistake of believing that they're daft, they're in the business to make money, and they wouldn't bastardize the series if they thought they couldn't make money out of it, and part of that is catering to the Bethdrone crowd, and a large part of that crowd is the modders or mod enjoyers.
Ravager69 said:
This also really bugs the shit out of me. You never see them comparing the game to Fallout games, just their own games. I don't want Fallout 3: Oblivion Terminator, I want Fallout 3.
For me personally I wouldn't be bothered by this game if it weren't for that "3" at the end. I expect a 3rd game to be a continuation of the first 2. It's clear they aren't doing that in any way.
Seymour the spore plant
Still Mildly Glowing
Well, I'd say that Sellout 3 had more than its fair share already. NMA had a "wait and see" policy for years, developers were well-received in the forums, and even Beth's official forum was a place of discussion and suggestions in its early days.
Seriously, no need to buy the internet double-standard Fallout fans are so often judged by that any criticism made previous to release is invalid and/or nit-picking. You can look at a trashcan behind a hospital dripping organic matter and safely presume that it contains medical waste; that is where we stand now, with the added bonus of The Todd proudly telling us the contents of said can. Bethesda's staunch defenders still won't admit to any flaws in the game post-release (as done for Oblivion), so it is pointless to give them the reverent silence they would like as a reception to the game.
Yeah, they're obviously selling something, in this case to PS3 fans, using Oblivion as a frame of reference. I'm beginning to notice a trend:
To Console Gamers: "It's going to be exactly like Oblivion! Except without the stuff you didn't like!"
To PC Gamers: "The perspective has changed, but we're staying true to everything else Fallout stands for!"
Could it be that they're full of horseshit lies and will say whatever they think will sell their product? It's funny, I think that would actually be a better scenario than what I suspect - that they truly believe they're serving the desires of a couple of polarised audiences. By implementing horribly tepid halfway measures and design compromises. I guess it works for them though, whatever the case.
aronsearle said:
Just to clear up a bit of our news-posting policy.
Every preview, every interview, and hell, most tidbits on Fallout are news.
This is the internet. We're not a newspaper, we do not have a limited amount of space to put our news on. That means there is no reason for us to start making pre-selections for you, when we can just give you all news we find. If you don't think the news is necessary, simply ignore it.
But we're not going to pre-select, because that would inevitably mean we'd tend to prefer posting critical news to posting the glorifying-of-Bethesda news. Why? Because we're only human. Best way to prevent bias in your own posting is not by assuming you have no bias, it's by setting up rules for yourself to prevent your bias from influencing your information transmitting too much.
And that's the thick of it. Sorry. No Discussion Allowed.
So...do you return once every year to mention that a post of yours got vatted back in 2005?
'coz that's pretty funny.
'coz that's pretty funny.
UmbrellaMaster
First time out of the vault
Mord_Sith said:
Oblivion was horrible in its vanilla state. For me mostly because of the autolevelling of every character around you made it feel as if you never really levelled up, you just stayed the same and everyone else got better armor. Not to mention some really vanilla quests / dungeons / characters that populated the game and some horrible optimization on the PC version...
Modders changed most of that that. They also changed a lot of combat, skills, created quests with more than just one linear ending, and a host of other things. For me, modders are the only hope for making Fallout 3 a viable game to play. No mod tools released = no buying Fallout 3.
ascaroth said:
Wow. So you seriously made a post last year and make a post now just to remind us we vatted a post of yours back in 2005? That's honestly hilarious. You're nuts, man.
Apropos, I also found that remark funny.
Because it shows how the propaganda spread against us is false. And how we were pretty hopeful and trusting of Bethesda back in 2005. Rosh (and VDweller, and others) was basically right when he flat-out told me that's a naive attitude to take, and that we shouldn't be falling for Bethesda's bullshit.
People with short-term memory might not recall this: but many of us actually argued that Bethesda would wisely go with turn-based combat for Fallout 3.
Hindsight has 20/20 vision, I guess. We gave Bethesda way more credit than they turned out to deserve.
Funny how many anti-NMAers completely ignore that.
pndragon26
First time out of the vault
"explore a huge open world and do whatever you want."... Hmmm, I would like to find Bethesda's street address in the game... and have my character urinate on it. That would be immersive for me.