FoT Weapon Conversions

Wild_qwerty said:
Is it really worth having two different lengths of 7.62mm? Just put a note on the AK47 saying that it has been rechambered to one of the other 7.62mm bullets.

It will jsut get to confusing if there are two types of 7.62mm in the game, after all there are already a lot of new ammo types being added
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Well what corpse is saying is that .308 is 7.62x51mm, and it is already called .308, so there only will be one 7.62 mm (for the AK47). The other guns that used to use 7.62mm will change to use the new .308 ammo that I already set up. So the new ones are .303, .308, .30-06, 7.62x39mm for AK-47, and 5.7mm for FNP90c.

I'm tempted to get rid of the fake 5mm from the original though and make it 5.56mm. But .223 is 5.56mm FMJ. So maybe we should have 5.56mm JHP, AP, and FMJ.
 
hehehehe I wouldnt really care if they were called generic names like 'little bullets' 'medium bullets' and 'big bullets'
 
I think one thing to remember is that some weapons would change caliber as the years progress. RETROFUTURE remember.

Some guns, like the P90c would possibly be a stock weapon firing a new caliber.
 
Wild_qwerty said:
hehehehe I wouldnt really care if they were called generic names like 'little bullets' 'medium bullets' and 'big bullets'
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I could make you a pretty shiny bullet that looks like big tylenol.

From Airplane ... Tower: Oh it's a BIG, PRETTY plane; with wings and wheels, and it looks like a big Tylenol...
 
dude_obj said:
Wow this is confusing, so .....

.303 is 7.7x56mm cartridge
.303 ammo for Lewis and Bren

.30-06 is 7.62x63mm
.30-06 ammo for Browning Auto Rifle and M1 Garand

.308 is 7.62x51mm
.308 ammo for M14, FN FAL, H&K MSG90, M60, MEC Heavy Minigun

7.62x39mm M43 ammo for AK-47
5.7x28mm ammo for FNP90C
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Yes that looks more like it.

dude_obj said:
The stats I came up with, by looking at some muzzle energy and and velocity stats, plus other games, plus all of the various ammo patches around:

.308
AC Adjust -8
DR Adjust -24
Damage Multiplier 3
Damage Divisor 2

.223
AC Adjust -20
DR Adjust -30
Damage Multiplier 3
Damage Divisor 2

7.62mm
AC Adjust -20
DR Adjust -40
Damage Multiplier 2
Damage Divisor 1

So with my numbers 7.62mm is now more powerful than .223, but .223 is more powerful than .308.

Now I'll have to add these new types and come up with the some new numbers. I'm definitely not a weapon expert.
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7.62x39 is more powerful than .223 but .308 is much more powerful than both.
 
Corpse said:
7.62x39 is more powerful than .223 but .308 is much more powerful than both.
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Cool, okay then if I list them in ascending order of power, where does the .303, .30-06, and 5.7x28 fit into this list:

.223
7.62x39
.308

Also, what are your thoughts on ditching the fake 5mm and replacing it with 5.56mm? Would it make any sense to just have .223 but have JHP, AP, and FMJ cartridges?
 
Ok, the order would go like this.

5.7x28
5.56x45mm (.223)
7.62x39
7.62x51mm (.308)
.30-06
.303

As to the 5mm round, you already have 5.56 so I think it would be better to leave it for all the weapons that were originally using it in the game.
 
Corpse said:
As to the 5mm round, you already have 5.56 so I think it would be better to leave it for all the weapons that were originally using it in the game.
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You mean already have .223 or are you considering the 5MM JHP/AP used by the AK-112 assault rifle to be 5.56mm? Its obviously not 5.56mm or it would be same caliber as .223, wouldn't it? Should the 5MM JHP/AP rounds be interchangeable with .223 in the hunting rifles and assault rifle? I could make the existing 5mm into .223 caliber, then we'd have JHP, AP, and FMJ .223 (5.56mm). The way it is now, the hunting and sniper rifle can only use .223 FMJ, and the 5mm ammo is only used by assault rifle and minigun. Does that make sense? If I changed 5mm JHP/AP to .223 JHP/AP, then there would be more ammo for all those (hunting/sniper/assault/minigun).
 
No, what I am saying is leave 5mm unchanged, I suppose in the FO universe you could say 5mm replaced 5.56mm as standard army issue.

I personally feel there should be more 5.56mm assault rifles like M16s however, it's good that you have included it along with the Steyr AUG; should also include the FN-Minimi (M249) and maybe a 5.56mm minigun like the XM-214 would be nice.

As to 5.7mm, I found a better image in another site, here it is.
am_fa_57x28_1.JPG


Noticed you included the VZ61, I suggest you change its name to Vz68 as the 61 model is chambered for the .32 ACP (7.65x17mm Semi-Rimmed) cartridge; the 68 model on the other hand fires 9x19mm parabellum, the only visible difference is 9mm skorpions use a straight magazine instead of the curved one so no mayor graphic changes are involved.

EDIT
skorpion_vz83.jpg

This is a Vz83 model chambered for .380 ACP (9x17mm), notice the long 20-round magazine; the 9mm Para version would look about the same.
 
Corpse said:
maybe a 5.56mm minigun like the XM-214 would be nice.
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I have 223 and 762 miniguns already. I named them MEC because the gauss minigun from FoT was called MEC which is supposed to be a chinese design. If you have better names for them let me know. BTW I think the gauss minigun is overpowered and I should probably reduce its damage.

EDIT: The above 762 minigun will change to .308 when I make those changes you suggested ....

Corpse said:
As to 5.7mm, I found a better image in another site
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I already found one and made this for 5.57mm.
 
Noticed the M60 may need some readjustments, maybe even to its description.

This relatively light machine gun was prized by militaries around the world for its high rate of fire.
This reliable, battlefield-proven design, was used on vehicles and for squad level fire-support.
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First, the M60 has a very slow rate of fire (550rpm) so it is very unlikely that this would be one of its main selling points (maybe you should either decrease the number of rounds per burst or increase its burst AP). The only advantage that can be gained from such a slow ROF, is less ammo spent and the weapon can be fired from the hip; .308s have very strong recoil and are very hard to control in automatic fire so its slower rate would make it more manageable than other .308 MGs like the M240.

Second, M60s are notorious for their unreliability and poor design (hence its known as 'the pig'); it has taken almost 3 decades to fix up most of the problems that plagued it so only the latest models, the E3 and E4 could be called reliable.

And finally, considering it is a belt-fed MG, maybe you should increase its round capacity to 250 rounds.
 
Corpse said:
Noticed the M60 may need some readjustments, maybe even to its description.
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Okay, M60 changes:

- Burst changed to 5 rounds
- Ammo type changed to .308
- Ammo capacity changed to 250 rounds
- Critical Failure changed to 4
- New description: This relatively light machine gun was prized by militaries around the world. This battlefield-proven design was used on vehicles and for squad level fire-support.

Scorpio name changed to VZ68
Lewis changed to .303 ammo
Bren changed to .303 ammo
AK47 changed to 7.62x39mm M43 ammo
FNP90C changed to 5.7x28mm ammo
FN FAL, H&K MSG90, M60, MEC heavy minigun changed to .308 ammo

Okay Corpse, you're the resident weapons expert ...
could you check this spreadsheet and check if anything else needs changing for the weapons?
 
Ok I'll take a look at it and get back to you.

BTW forgot to comment on the MEC miniguns; you mentioned you made them a chinese design.

5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm are NATO rounds so a nation like China would not produce service weapons in these cartridges. The PLA use Warsaw pact 7.62x39mm, 7.62x54R ammunition and now they have adopted a new cartridge in 5.8x42mm which they claim to offer superior balistics to .223 NATO rounds.
 
Corpse said:
the MEC miniguns; you mentioned you made them a chinese design.

5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm are NATO rounds so a nation like China would not produce service weapons in these cartridges. The PLA use Warsaw pact 7.62x39mm, 7.62x54R ammunition and now they have adopted a new cartridge in 5.8x42mm which they claim to offer superior balistics to .223 NATO rounds.
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I don't want new ammo types just for these. Could you possibly think of a name and select ammo type for the new light and heavy miniguns that makes sense. Maybe pick a euro country of origin. It doesn't matter if its real, could be fictional? I'm really clueless with weapons, only gun I ever shot was a BB, and not even a red ryder LOL

EDIT: Who were the allies the war in the fallout story, and is there one that might have been on american soil, that could have been the manufacturers of these miniguns? We already have american and german miniguns, so some other euro country would be good, or maybe UK?
 
No, I'm not suggesting you add a new ammo type, the ammo you have selected for them is fine. All I was suggesting was changing the country of origin of the weapons, they are fictional anyway so a European country like Sweden or Germany would be a good choice.

For name maybe a name like Bofors AC-32 if Swede or Rheinmetal GAC-23; General Electric GAU XX## if US made.
I have done some corrections to your xl document; mostly to weapon weights, ammunition and ammo capacity.
Will do damage later.

http://www.freewebs.com/herrleiche/Items-Weapons.xls
 
Corpse said:
Bofors AC-32 if Swede or Rheinmetal GAC-23; General Electric GAU XX## if US made.
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Cool, I'll use those, thanks.

Corpse said:
I have done some corrections to your xl document; mostly to weapon weights, ammunition and ammo capacity.
Will do damage later.
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Excellent, thank you. I was just about to update all of the prototypes, and then make all this FO2 compatible, but I will wait until you've looked at the damage settings. Let me know when you think it all looks okay.
 
Why not have Canadian weapons? After they got annexed by the US they militarys weapons may have been confiscated and distributed to the national guard. Or it they were stored in a rcylcing center but never got melted down (recyled) cause of the war. Then someone raided the old warehouse and traded the weapons
 
Wild_qwerty said:
Why not have Canadian weapons? After they got annexed by the US they militarys weapons may have been confiscated and distributed to the national guard. Or it they were stored in a rcylcing center but never got melted down (recyled) cause of the war. Then someone raided the old warehouse and traded the weapons
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Broken beer bottles and submarines that can't move? :lol: But seriously, I was looking at this vickers machine gun yesterday, thought it looked pretty cool. Old stuff but it's .303, might be fun to have that in the game. This is interesting:

Though stronger and lighter than the Maxim, the watercooled jacket and heavy tripod still made the Vickers a heavy weapon. Aircooled versions were used in aircraft, and some variants fired .50 calibre and 11mm rounds. The standard gun in Canadian service fired the standard .303 calibre round used in the Lee Enfield rifle and, later, the Bren Gun.

I thinks its british not canadian though.

The C6 seems to be the latest. But compared to USA the candian stock of weapons is like a needle in a haystack. Canada only has something like 20,000 soldiers.
 
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