Fox News on Holland

Paladin Solo

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I have the task of coming up with an idea for a topic for a paper which I have to write for English. the topic is the future, and we can use almost an infinite range of subtopics for our report/paper. I have choosen something to deal with America and its future. For now, I'm bordering on choosing corporationism, imperialism, and the constitution as a wide range of possibilities. Anyhow, as I was browsing for information and idea, I came up on this article by Foxnews.com.

FoxNews.com said:
Does History Repeat Itself?
Monday, December 06, 2004
By Cal Thomas

Something terrible is happening in the land of wooden shoes, windmills, Rembrandt (search) and wonderful breakfasts.

A Dutch hospital is euthanizing — killing — newborn babies who don't measure up to an arbitrary standard set by the hospital. The hospital at first requested guidelines for so-called "mercy killings" of newborns. It then revealed it has been engaging in the practice without any guidelines at all. Three years after the Dutch parliament passed a law allowing doctors to actively kill patients they deemed terminally ill, in great pain and with no prospects for recovery, it has come to this. At least with the elderly sick, they had to be consulted about their wishes. Newborns receive no such privilege.

I'm not surprised.

Once a single category of life is declassified as having no intrinsic value and a right to life, it is a very short step to declassify other categories when they are considered inconvenient, or burdensome.

Holland is a perfect example of what happens when there is no governing moral standard. The Dutch have decriminalized most drugs and people smoke dope openly in venues set aside for the practice. Prostitutes display their wares like mannequins in department store windows. And now we have at least one hospital murdering already born babies because someone has decreed them unworthy of life.


If ever there was a slippery slope to be studied, this is it.

The Dutch are now grappling with their open border policy. They have admitted thousands of radical Islamists who have not assimilated and are threatening the stability of the nation. A Dutch filmmaker (search) was murdered last month by a radical who didn't like a film he made criticizing Islam's treatment of women.

And now we have the killing of newborns. All of this in a country where the Nazis murdered Ann Frank just because she was Jewish and therefore less than human.

Does history repeat? In Holland, apparently it does.

And that's Column One for this week.

"Death to the Dutch Babies!"???

Anyhow, interesting, don't care to check for more sources, as I just wanted to see the reactions of NMA to this article. And by the way, if you can provide any USEFUL information of VALUABLE importance to my project, then your help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.
 
To be objective, whar are the standards set ? Does the child have to have deformites, or just look differnt ?
 
Well, no flames intended, a good paper would be the influence of this forum and your posts' quality evolution since you first joined.
 
Paladin Solo said:
For now, I'm bordering on choosing corporationism, imperialism, and the constitution as a wide range of possibilities. Anyhow, as I was browsing for information and idea, I came up on this article by Foxnews.com.
Try www.conspiracy.net. :P

FoxNews.com said:
I am having trouble believing this article. If it's true, then it's truly horrifying. However, one would expect such a scandal would gain more public attention than an amateurish FoxNews column. Why amateurish? Well, the author failed to specify any details about it, such as in which hospitals these killings took place, under which circumstances etc. Instead, he just used it as an intro for his rant against the Netherlands and their "immoral" way of life. He offered unsubstantiated allegations and connected them with completely irrelevant and unrelated topics, such as islamist extremism and liberalism of Dutch society. Typical straw man. Thanks for reminding me why I can't stand FoxNews, PH.
 
Solo, post a link to the article in question please. Id like to see it.


EDIT

Oops, dint notice that small link at the bottom
 
That article bears absolutely no credibility in my book. It's obviously incredibly conservatively biased (well, it is a column), it does not offer any proof and does not define 'killing', 'newborns' or 'unworthy of life'.

Also, the Dutch don't use drugs in the open. As far as I know, use of drugs is illegal outside of Coffeeshops and your own home.
 
Dude never base anything you write on FoxNews, it´s like The Pradva and a second rate tabloid that covers Elvis beeing alive and married to Rosh at the same time, come on.

Still life/death and cultural and ethical diferences seems interesting.
 
The article is clearly biased. Without citing facts I not only dont believe in the baby killing, but his other ideas (the drugs and prostitutes) are not taken seriously either. As for the Islamic Radicals...hey we have those here in the USA due to free immigration much like the Netherlands.

What an ass-head. He doesnt even say what he means by "history repeats itself". I mean Hitler did do Euthanasia of the disabled. However they didnt allow drugs or prostitutes. (that I know of)

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
The reference to history repeating itself was the classificatons of certain humans as being subhuman. i.e. Hitler with the Jews. The point hes trying to make is that in that hospital, the children who do not meet the standards are considered subhuman and are eliminated. Its pretty obvious actually.
 
The_Vault_Dweller said:
He doesnt even say what he means by "history repeats itself". I mean Hitler did do Euthanasia of the disabled.

He had to abandon his euthanasia program because of very strong opposition by the Church. Not so total power. Shame the church was not more willing to protect the rights of the Jews, rather than just the mental and physical deviants.

The article has insufficient detail and is practically useless, except for the purpose of propaganda or unintended entertainment.
 
Towards A Permanent Majority

Towards A Permanent Majority


Could be a laundry list of hot buttons.

Or a beating drum of a manifesto, that fits in to the blank area between the advertisements of this commercial media page.

If it had tit's and ass it would be "eye candy", being text, it's mental insulation for a hot and fuzzy focus, self inflicted thought control.

Still an element of choice. Can pretend to see nor hear "no evil".
Or, ignore all formats that feed this message.

"Old Europe" a stereotype, profiled, convicted by editorial decree.

Expect this style of commentary to gain an even larger American audience.

Foxnews has signed a contract to be featured at the top of the hour on Clear-channel radio stations.

On the 'talk radio' stations in Clear-channel's corporate media, ""payola"", kingdom,
Foxnews group think will fit - right - in.

Maybe the element of 'choice' is diminishing in the ""march or die"" to a Permanent Majority.


4too
 
Cal Thomas @ FoxNews.com said:
A Dutch hospital is euthanizing — killing — newborn babies who don't measure up to an arbitrary standard set by the hospital. The hospital at first requested guidelines for so-called "mercy killings" of newborns. It then revealed it has been engaging in the practice without any guidelines at all.

lets assume, this is true as is written here. a kid that is born with collapsed lungs, an open head or something terminal, should be let to suffer for hours, days, weeks before it dies of natural causes?

Cal Thomas @ FoxNews.com said:
At least with the elderly sick, they had to be consulted about their wishes. Newborns receive no such privilege.

we are talking about "patients deemed terminally ill, in great pain and with no prospects for recovery". of course the kid himself cant say to the world wants to die. i sincerely doubt that doctors would take this step without the concent of both parents though.

Cal Thomas @ FoxNews.com said:
I'm not surprised.

oh the lil' xenophobe doesnt like dutchies it seems.

Cal Thomas @ FoxNews.com said:
Once a single category of life is declassified as having no intrinsic value and a right to life, it is a very short step to declassify other categories when they are considered inconvenient, or burdensome.

oh so because i had a dog put down once, i'll do the same to my kid?
wonderful thinkin' there buddy.

Cal Thomas @ FoxNews.com said:
Holland is a perfect example of what happens when there is no governing moral standard. The Dutch have decriminalized most drugs and people smoke dope openly in venues set aside for the practice. Prostitutes display their wares like mannequins in department store windows. And now we have at least one hospital murdering already born babies because someone has decreed them unworthy of life.

bwahahahaha, this guy really doesnt know jack about the dutchies it seems...

neo-con fucktard, maybe get out of your country for a change (or at least do some research before posting your nonsense)

Cal Thomas @ FoxNews.com said:
*snip*
And that's bashing a random country, just to make ourself feel superior, for this week.

bravo!

PsychoSniper said:
To be objective, whar are the standards set ? Does the child have to have deformites, or just look differnt ?

"patients deemed terminally ill, in great pain and with no prospects for recovery"

well maybe Hitler thought being Jew was a terminal disease, but i doubt the docs in holland think so...
 
Something terrible is happening in the land of wooden shoes, windmills, Rembrandt (search) and wonderful breakfasts.

A Dutch hospital is euthanizing — killing — newborn babies who don't measure up to an arbitrary standard set by the hospital. The hospital at first requested guidelines for so-called "mercy killings" of newborns. It then revealed it has been engaging in the practice without any guidelines at all. Three years after the Dutch parliament passed a law allowing doctors to actively kill patients they deemed terminally ill, in great pain and with no prospects for recovery, it has come to this. At least with the elderly sick, they had to be consulted about their wishes. Newborns receive no such privilege.
Teh funnay. "Oh no, newborn babies are being killed because they have a really really poor outlook on the rest of their life."
Right, terrible practice? Possibly. But hey, what standards do you want to set? Basically the decision is the parents' and the doctor has an advisory role.

I'm not surprised.

Once a single category of life is declassified as having no intrinsic value and a right to life, it is a very short step to declassify other categories when they are considered inconvenient, or burdensome.
Muaha. What a bunch of bullshit rhetoric. Every life is considered to have an intrinsic value, but life is defined as being past about 3 months of existence in the womb. People can always request Euthanasia if they feel that living is too painful for them. That's that person's decision.

Holland is a perfect example of what happens when there is no governing moral standard. The Dutch have decriminalized most drugs
No, just soft drugs, ie. 'shrooms and weed.
and people smoke dope openly in venues set aside for the practice.
Exactly. They smoke in venues created to smoke. So...the problem is....what?
Prostitutes display their wares like mannequins in department store windows.
Again: so? Specific places are set aside for this. It happens anyway, why ban it?
And now we have at least one hospital murdering already born babies because someone has decreed them unworthy of life.
No, because someone has decided that their quality of life would be that bad that they'd be better of dead.


If ever there was a slippery slope to be studied, this is it.

The Dutch are now grappling with their open border policy. They have admitted thousands of radical Islamists who have not assimilated and are threatening the stability of the nation.
Thousands of? Threatening our lifestyle? Pft. Idiots.
A Dutch filmmaker (search) was murdered last month by a radical who didn't like a film he made criticizing Islam's treatment of women.
Indeed. And of course this means our entire society is depraved and all muslims should leave the nation. It's their fault!
Psch.
And now we have the killing of newborns. All of this in a country where the Nazis murdered Ann Frank just because she was Jewish and therefore less than human.
Actually, she was murdered in Auschwitz, not the Netherlands. Furthermoe, what the fuck does this have to do with anything? Newborns are murdered in the Netherlands, ooh, Netherlands were once nazi-occupied territoriy. LINK TO HITLER!!! WOOHOOO!
Does history repeat? In Holland, apparently it does.

And that's Column One for this week.
I hate Fox News. That is all.

EDIT: And the news probably isn't true, since I've never heard about it. I suspect that he's basing this on the confusion about the laws around the legality of abortion (the period of pregnancy in which abortion is legal), which happened a few months ago. New techniques had revealed that babies could be removed from the womb and still live at a younger age, and that therefore possibly the abortion period should be shortened.
 
Exactly. They smoke in venues created to smoke. So...the problem is....what?
because ordinary people can walk in and see hippies!
Imagine the shock of walking in a bar titled "Teh Ganja" and seeing people smoking
Yes, that article is bullshit, in it's carefully and painstakingly refined pure form.
 
Suicide Candidate said:
Yes, that article is bullshit, in it's carefully and painstakingly refined pure form.
A glittering gem of bullshit.

Wait ... that doesn't work.

Anyway, I'm sure you could find some practice vaguely in common with the nazis in every country. This does not make them nazis.

Why is it that every time I read an opinion piece from Fox news, I'm constantly tempted to look at the banner at the top of the site to make sure it isn't a satire website?
 
FoxNews.com said:
Holland is a perfect example of what happens when there is no governing moral standard. The Dutch have decriminalized most drugs and people smoke dope openly in venues set aside for the practice. Prostitutes display their wares like mannequins in department store windows.

Just because a country doesn't have a government dictating to them what their morals should be, this guy shouldn't feel superior. Are marijuana and prostitution are any less prevalent in the USA? At least in Holland they made it a part of their society instead of calling it a problem.
 
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