Future of the NCR

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Indianajoneszilla

First time out of the vault
Well, even thought "rumors" of Fallout 4 state it being on the East Coast again, (I swear to God, if we get a freaking green-gray world I'm going to punch a deathclaw in the jaw) I was still thinking about a little question in my mind:
Will the NCR be featured in any future Fallout games?
I mean, since apparently the most popular ending for NV is them getting kicked out and loosing the dam in the Mojave kind of implies that their days as a nation are numbered, do you think the NCR is not long for this post-apocalyptic Earth?

Or, will they become a bitter and nazi-like government like their American predecessors?

Any thoughts? I personally think they still won, considering that out of the 4 endings, they manage to smash the Legion and make it to the Legate's camp.
 
I think it's too early to say. I don't know if I'd bet money on the NCR winning, but I'd at least wager that the Legion loses. Whether that means that NCR gains the Mojave or is severely weakened and reduced once again to a city-state level of power depends on what Bethesda's willing to allow, I think. I know that some of the original Fallout 2 devs (MCA included, if I recall) felt that the west-coast wasteland was getting a little too civilized and wanted to return it to a more savage state by the end of Black Isle's original Fallout 3 concept, but whether the current franchise honchos at Obsidian-- or Bethesda, for that matter-- feel that's the right way to go is anyone's guess.

If I had to place a bet, I'd warily go with House or the Independents winning out, because that would come closest to leaving the status quo intact. The NCR wouldn't get to advance (if anything, they'd be partially destabilized, shifting the balance of the core region back from "lawful civilization" towards "rowdy frontier), the Legion wouldn't be hanging over everyone's heads like the Sword of Damocles, and almost nothing in the Mojave would dramatically change. (House would shake things up a bit, but he's patient and meticulous and prefers to keep a low profile; beyond the Strip and parts of greater Vegas, there would probably be no noticeable change for decades, if not centuries.)
 
My own take is that the NCR was victorious at the second battle of Hoover Dam, but they did not get to annex New Vegas which to today is still ruled by House (either real House or Yes Man posing as House). (explaining why they don't have access to its resources)
NCR got Hoover Dam permanently but their campaign has left them severally depleted, making them unable to expand further East or North other than a few outposts. It will probably take years to build up their resources again as they are developing the Mojave.

On top of that they also have to deal with severe unrest within their own territories as the corruption within the government is starting to become more and more apparent. And there is also that projected famine on the horizon.

The Legion on its turn got a severe bloody nose, and either Caesar, Lanius or both died during the second battle of Hoover Dam, deterring the Legion from going Westwards again. And already the first cracks are starting to form in the Legion as the question of what drives the Legion is put into effect.

The NCR and what is left of the Legion is still out there, but they won't be expanding into the rest of the North American continent and colonizing it very soon, leaving plenty of frontier from new Fallout games.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
My own take is that the NCR was victorious at the second battle of Hoover Dam, but they did not get to annex New Vegas which to today is still ruled by House (either real House or Yes Man posing as House). (explaining why they don't have access to its resources)
NCR got Hoover Dam permanently but their campaign has left them severally depleted, making them unable to expand further East or North other than a few outposts. It will probably take years to build up their resources again as they are developing the Mojave.

On top of that they also have to deal with severe unrest within their own territories as the corruption within the government is starting to become more and more apparent. And there is also that projected famine on the horizon.

The Legion on its turn got a severe bloody nose, and either Caesar, Lanius or both died during the second battle of Hoover Dam, deterring the Legion from going Westwards again. And already the first cracks are starting to form in the Legion as the question of what drives the Legion is put into effect.

The NCR and what is left of the Legion is still out there, but they won't be expanding into the rest of the North American continent and colonizing it very soon, leaving plenty of frontier from new Fallout games.
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Seems like a good and probable ending, An NCR military victory over the legion but failure to both crushing the legion completely or even severly as well as securing it's interrests in the Mojave. Instead the NCR has a continuous legion problem as well as a sort of independent New Vegas combined with massive interior problems that all together weakens them. The legion, with the loss of Kaisar and Lanius as well as the bulk of it's military forces faces economical and military decline and infighting which cripples them from further expansion. This leaves us very nice borderlands and frontiers and room for new factions.
 
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Seems like a good and probable ending, An NCR military victory over the legion but failure to both crushing the legion completely or even severly as well as securing it's interrests in the Mojave. Instead the NCR has a continuous legion problem as well as a sort of independent New Vegas combined with massive interior problems that all together weakens them. The legion, with the loss of Kaisar and Lanius as well as the bulk of it's military forces faces economical and military decline and infighting which cripples them from further expansion. This leaves us very nice borderlands and frontiers and room for new factions.
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Such an ending might leave room for new factions. A really fast and lazy idea on it might be some rebelled women from the Legion. With all the in-fighting, it might be a good chance for it, and it could be fun to see a post-apoc amazons faction based on it.
 
Oppen said:
Such an ending might leave room for new factions. A really fast and lazy idea on it might be some rebelled women from the Legion. With all the in-fighting, it might be a good chance for it, and it could be fun to see a post-apoc amazons faction based on it.
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No need Oppen, the concept of the Daughters of Hecate is already there. I like the idea of this faction emerging and growing in strength within former Legion lands, running their own campaigns against the Legion.

A lot of my inspiration for the concept came from Van Buren's planned ideas for the Legion, as the Legion is weakened it slowly moves Eastwards towards the great radioactive no man's lands that separate New Mexico and Colorado from Texas while practising scorched Earth tactics in their former territories to prevent the NCR from following them, eventually crossing into Texas.

The results are a wrecked Arizona and New Mexico (and parts of Utah and Colorado) with major settlements once again in ruins of severally weakened, raiders re emerging from their hiding holes, and tribals rediscovering their tribal identity while elements within the Legion are competing and fighting each other.

The NCR won't be coming to clean up the mess other than a few settlements they have their interest in for their resources as their borders end at the Colorado river.
 
I'm fairly certain one of the dev's said that both Caesars Legion and the NCR would collapse, and that the NCR might even collapse before the Legion.

I can see that happening because as it is right now, the NCR are spread too thin, their supply lines are stressed and they impose heavy taxes on people, their soldiers are badly equipped and are poorly trained, then there's also the fact that the entire nation will be experiencing starvation problems within the decade (The OSI are so desperate to find a solution they followed a wild goose chase about the rumor of some miracle vault.), so I could see a few border areas wanting independence (especially if the NCR loses the Mojave.) from NCR taxes and control, and possibly even revolting.

I would bet there is probably quite a bit of civil unrest in California, and if the NCR loses the Mojave, I could easily see riots occurring, something the battered NCR probably wouldn't be able to deal with.

I predict the NCR will either collapse from the amount of areas wanting independence, or shrink down to around the size it was just after Fallout 2, which is honestly the size I think they should have stayed.

Also, in all likeliness, the House ending will be canon, since you don't have to get into any detail about the courier, and he doesn't plan to expand beyond the Mojave.


As much as I like your idea The Dutch Ghost, I don't like the idea of having the canon ending be unachievable in game, If they don't make one of the game endings canon, I'd feel cheated, and many other would do too I think.
 
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Actually, i would feel cheated if they choose a canon ending.

The game put soo much emphasis on choices and devellop many ends, on a level that is unpreceded, even in the first two episodes, that it is impossible to deal with the future without contradicting many choices that player had an hard time deciding. If they choose an other endings, many would think they efforts were worthless.

On the other end, when i look achievements of New Vegas on steam, it seems that legions quests were achieved by less than 5% of the player, while many unconsequentials but harder achievements had more %. Seems that many people aren't aware that they could make Ceasar win, or just don't bother with the ability to choose its own ending...:puppy-dog:
(More % for Bobble globes, Hardcore, 10 000 unarmed damage... To be fair, even House seems not much successful, and Yes Man had more success than the NCR)
 
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It's entirely possible to frame things so that it doesn't matter who won. What says "War Never Changes" more than two would-be empires going to war over a strategic holding and self-destructing because they prioritized victory enough to go to the brink?

Even if the game was set as close to Shady Sands as The Hub or Vault City, you could quite feasibly get away with giving things in broad strokes. There was a war, the NCR overextended and went into decline, and the Legion fragmented and collapsed after Caesar's death. Whether due to their own mismanagement or in defense against an advancing horde, the NCR would have pulled back and concentrated their assets on only their most important holdings. Give it 40 (or 80) years, and you've got a West Coast that feels a lot like it did in Fallout 2, or even Fallout 1.
 
As AlphaPrometean pointed out, the NCR would destroy itself with riots and various separatists groups, actually I can see the NCR turning into a dictatorship group or have a military regime due to instability.

This ''New NCR'' would create peace in their territory with brutal force and explore the caravan companies, opposition will be answered with bullets and everybody would live with fear.This group will focus in Shady Sands and it's surroundings and would have little commerce with other settlements, manly because most of them were NCR cities and fear that this ''New NCR'' would want to annex them again.
 
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I think the canon ending will be anything but Legion victory. I'm against Avellone's idea of resetting the West Coast by nuking the NCR, the world should start to rebuild itself. You can still make a prequel or interquel set somewhere else. Personally I think the NCR will be alright, might be a bit shaken but I think they'll continue to exist. Although I'm also hoping things will work out for them because I like the faction. But I can't see them expanding much more in near future, wouldn't be surprised if they shrank a bit.
 
Thanks for your thoughts on this issue guys- it's awesome to see so many varied answers on one faction.
But reading a lot of responses... why does the NCR get so much hate? Also, why does everyone assume the NCR in the Mojave is the same NCR in their home states?
Just like Caesar's legion, I think we get a false representation of the NCR in New Vegas. The NCR we see IS overstretched, mismanaged and fairly bumbling in even simple matters. However, I never thought this was the true NCR- just the frontier. In the Home states, I got the impression that it's actually resembling the pre-war world- working farm vehicles, tanks, vertibirds and even computers and power plants back up and running. Coupled with a police force and strong protection from heavy troops, I thought the NCR was relatively peaceful.

Is there actually a lot more strife in the NCR?
Also, why so much NCR hate?
 
Is not a frontier NCR we see, is NCR itself. When it comes to Legion territory we have people telling how it's safe and etc but when it's NCR territory none of them tell that is different,in fact some npc tells that back in Shandy Sands there are more corruption,bureaucracy and backstabing. The overstretching is just one more nail in the coffin. The NCR is already on the road to the grave ( unless a deus ex machinima happens)

There is no mention of tanks in the NCR, only cars, farms vehicles and maybe a train.

We do not hate the NCR ( maybe some do) we are only telling it's grim future.
 
Emperor said:
Is not a frontier NCR we see, is NCR itself. When it comes to Legion territory we have people telling how it's safe and etc but when it's NCR territory none of them tell that is different,in fact some npc tells that back in Shandy Sands there are more corruption,bureaucracy and backstabing. The overstretching is just one more nail in the coffin. The NCR is already on the road to the grave ( unless a deus ex machinima happens)

There is no mention of tanks in the NCR, only cars, farms vehicles and maybe a train.

We do not hate the NCR ( maybe some do) we are only telling it's grim future.
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When does anyone talk about the home states at all, other than Gunderson who only speaks about the Brahmin ranches? And let's also mention- the NCR is also fighting the Brotherhood by this point in time, which would explain the lack of tanks and vertibirds. (Or is the Bible not canon anymore?)
Do any of the Vault 22 quests to grow more crops not count due to the fact that's a choice decision?
And I'm sorry- I'm being really biased with this thread. I like the NCR, and I just don't really want to see them completely destroyed. Even though the same could be said for any fan of... Lyon's Brotherhood, the fact that they've stuck around so long doesn't make a lot of sense that they'd just collapse.
 
The BOS-NCR war is nearly ending with an NCR victory by the time of New Vegas, most chapters are destroyed/hiding with a few still fighting. Each chapter destroyed the NCR gets more advanced techonology and BOS lose more men, I don't see BOS winning this fight.

The use of vertibirds in the NCR are for traveling not fighting ( They don't have vertibirds to spare for war) and I need to read The Bible again because I don't remember the mention of tanks.

Vault 22 is optional, like most of the sidequests so only Beth can say it's cannon, but the simply fact that IOS is searching new food sources leads to speculations that NCR soon will have starvation problems.

EDIT: A quick search in The Bible and the many Fallout wikias, the only mention of tanks are in the game logic quote and the playable tanks in Fallout Tactics.
 
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Emperor said:
The BOS-NCR war is nearly ending with an NCR victory by the time of New Vegas, most chapters are destroyed/hiding with a few still fighting. Each chapter destroyed the NCR gets more advanced techonology and BOS lose more men, I don't see BOS winning this fight.

The use of vertibirds in the NCR are for traveling not fighting ( They don't have vertibirds to spare for war) and I need to read The Bible again because I don't remember the mention of tanks.

Vault 22 is optional, like most of the sidequests so only Beth can say it's cannon, but the simply fact that IOS is searching new food sources leads to speculations that NCR soon will have starvation problems.

EDIT: A quick search in The Bible and the many Fallout wikias, the only mention of tanks are in the game logic quote and the playable tanks in Fallout Tactics.
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Well, IF they even keep expanding- depending on your actions, even if they WIN, it's kind of clear that Kimball and the expansionists are kicked out of office in the worst of the NCR endings, so hopefully the starvation or destruction of resources is slowed.
So, as you've said, the NCR is getting more and more advanced tech from the BoS bunkers. Whether or not these end up creating Divides out of most of the NCR is debatable, but certainly new types of irrigation and farming techniques are discovered from bunkers that had been occupied for 10+ years straight.

I'm much more akin to some of the other endings posted by viewers- the NCR doesn't exactly win, as much as it does lose. They consolidate their resources, check their material and take a breather. That leaves room for other civilizations to grow in the remnants of the Legion territory, as well as maintain a Fallout-y setting in the rest of the United States.
 
There's a slight chance of NCR finding new farming techniques from BOS bunkers, as seen in Veronica questline they value more war technology than anything else. Unless another chapter went rouge again ( please don't) they will find only weaponry and other stuff.

Unless some intelligent group or people create new farming techniques from nothing Vault 22 maybe be the only solution.
 
I really like the NCR so that might play into me thinking they'll survive too. I'm fairly certain things are better in California than the frontier. Living in New Arrayo or The Hub would be different than living on the edge of NCR control, the area around New Vegas is a frontier. Yes crime and corruption do exist but that is hardly surprising seeing what kind of ideals the NCR has. Our Representative Democracies have crime and corruption too. Could the NCR fall? Yeah they could, but I don't think they will. They might become weaker than they are if they lose the Dam but I don't think they'll die out. And I can't see them expanding that far beyond Vegas in the near future, they don't have much interests there anyway, annexation of Vegas and the taking of the dam are clear advantages while holding onto a whole lot of nothing doesn't seem worth it. Hopefully the stuff with the Legion is the wakeup call the need. I don't think the NCR will ever be perfect but they're the best we have and I think the compromises are worth it.

The Legion on the other hand is a faction I can't see surviving that long without Caesar. The war with the Legion is a burden on the NCR so things should be better without them as a constant threat.
 
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Knight Captain Kerr said:
I really like the NCR so that might play into me thinking they'll survive too. I'm fairly certain things are better in California than the frontier. Living in New Arrayo or The Hub would be different than living on the edge of NCR control, the area around New Vegas is a frontier. Yes crime and corruption do exist but that is hardly surprising seeing what kind of ideals the NCR has. Our Representative Democracies have crime and corruption too. Could the NCR fall? Yeah they could, but I don't think they will. They might become weaker than they are if they lose the Dam but I don't think they'll die out. And I can't see them expanding that far beyond Vegas in the near future, they don't have much interests there anyway, annexation of Vegas and the taking of the dam are clear advantages while holding onto a whole lot of nothing doesn't seem worth it. Hopefully the stuff with the Legion is the wakeup call the need. I don't think the NCR will ever be perfect but they're the best we have and I think the compromises are worth it.

The Legion on the other hand is a faction I can't see surviving that long without Caesar. The war with the Legion is a burden on the NCR so things should be better without them as a constant threat.
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You make some good points, but even without the Legion as is, it would probably disolve into smaller factions, all of which will probably still consider the NCR to be the enemy. It won't be the huge problem the legion is, but it would probably be like having a nation of fiends or jackals attacking them, so they won't be that much better either.

On another subject, even though I like the NCR, it might be good to see the spore carriers become a major problem caused by misusing Vault 22 findings.
 
Oppen, I'd love that idea. If you ever DID revisit the West Coast, I'd love to see a sidequest or 2 where you have to clear out some spore carriers which have infested a small congested farm. (Even though the reason why the spore carriers were so effective was due to the enclosed hallways of the Vault.

And in response to Knight Captain Kerr- you've had probably my favorite answers for this thread, and I'd be okay with the NCR just stopping- makes sense, as the only territory they know East of the Colorado is the former land of the Caesar- which would be scary if they fragmented nonetheless.

Thank you guys again for your response and speculation. I apologize for all the NCR bias coming from this corner.
 
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