Wild Thing
First time out of the vault
How the hell would it work?? you open the case, push a button and all of a sudden, you`re in a settlement?!
G.E.C.K....
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Hellion
Antediluvian Lurker
It is mentioned in the game that you "just add water and stir" 
Wild Thing
First time out of the vault
It could work!! If the matrix was real, the g.e.c.k would be dailing to a machine in the real world that entered commands to raise houses,gardens and roads at the specific place where the g.e.c.k was dailing from!!
Cool! A whole game built up on a un-related movie that wasn`t even released when the game came out....Could it be that interplay was spying on the wachaowski bors.??
Cool! A whole game built up on a un-related movie that wasn`t even released when the game came out....Could it be that interplay was spying on the wachaowski bors.??
Could it be that the Matrixes suck and Fallout as a game has a better storyline...and better acting. The Overseer is a better actor than Keanu...
LoL Kharn! Isn't it sad when a ghoul named Harold is a better actor than that wannabe surfer punk.
I hate it when people bring up the "CrapTrix" into everything. I honestly can't stand those movies. First one, was alright the first time, but the second one........nevermind......
Mohrg
I hate it when people bring up the "CrapTrix" into everything. I honestly can't stand those movies. First one, was alright the first time, but the second one........nevermind......
Mohrg
Meh, the first one was alright, a nicely done action movie with a seriously flawed back-story. The second one was puke.
It's an insult to Fallout to even imply a relation. Fallout is related to Mad Max. Period.
It's an insult to Fallout to even imply a relation. Fallout is related to Mad Max. Period.
Saint_Proverbius
Vault Senior Citizen
Okay, here's my idea on the GECK. I wrote this when I was arguing with Chris Avellone about the thing. His idea was the GECK was a briefcase with building plans and seeds, which is a little too lame for such a thing..
Anyway, I picture the GECK as a cold fusion powered polymer synthesizer. We all know that Fallout's setting has polymer technology since the combat armor and power armor are both polymer based armors. With polymers, you can make ultra light, ultra strong substances, right? Because they're ultra-light, they don't need much in the way of fuel-stuff to produce the substance, it's not very dense. In fact, some of these ultra-light, ultra-strong polymer blocks are so not dense, they're translucent. You can see through them.
Now, imagine the GECK also has prototype prefabs plans for walls. As it's growing the polymer chains and sequencing them, it can form shapes based on what's needed. Say you need a house - grow about eight walls, two door walls, two window walls, and four corner walls. Add the ingrediants, stir, select the stuff you want, and BAMMO.. Instant prefabricated parts, grown to what's needed.
So, why do the buildings in Vault City, Shady Sands, and every other place that's used a GECK look sandy? Well, that's simple. In order to keep from having a see-through house, which would suck, you add sand to the process in order to make walls that can't be seen through.
Here's the best part. If the GECK is a polymer synthesizer, you can also make protiens and other food stuff with it, as well as complex fertilizers for soil. Need humus? Add the right pouch to the thing, stir, and out pops the organic stuff you need for either agricultural boosting or raw food stuff.
Now, here's the downside, eventually you run out of pouches of raw fuel stuff for the reactions, thus a GECK would be used up.
There, that basically explains everything we know the GECK can do in Fallout's manual as well as in Fallout 2, based on the descriptions as well as what's visually seen in the games, i.e. why GECK towns all look alike.
Anyway, I picture the GECK as a cold fusion powered polymer synthesizer. We all know that Fallout's setting has polymer technology since the combat armor and power armor are both polymer based armors. With polymers, you can make ultra light, ultra strong substances, right? Because they're ultra-light, they don't need much in the way of fuel-stuff to produce the substance, it's not very dense. In fact, some of these ultra-light, ultra-strong polymer blocks are so not dense, they're translucent. You can see through them.
Now, imagine the GECK also has prototype prefabs plans for walls. As it's growing the polymer chains and sequencing them, it can form shapes based on what's needed. Say you need a house - grow about eight walls, two door walls, two window walls, and four corner walls. Add the ingrediants, stir, select the stuff you want, and BAMMO.. Instant prefabricated parts, grown to what's needed.
So, why do the buildings in Vault City, Shady Sands, and every other place that's used a GECK look sandy? Well, that's simple. In order to keep from having a see-through house, which would suck, you add sand to the process in order to make walls that can't be seen through.
Here's the best part. If the GECK is a polymer synthesizer, you can also make protiens and other food stuff with it, as well as complex fertilizers for soil. Need humus? Add the right pouch to the thing, stir, and out pops the organic stuff you need for either agricultural boosting or raw food stuff.
Now, here's the downside, eventually you run out of pouches of raw fuel stuff for the reactions, thus a GECK would be used up.
There, that basically explains everything we know the GECK can do in Fallout's manual as well as in Fallout 2, based on the descriptions as well as what's visually seen in the games, i.e. why GECK towns all look alike.
Wild Thing
First time out of the vault
I was only kidding... But i was just courios: If fallout has a better storyline and acting, then why didn`t it roll in a big bunch of million dollars when it first came out???
And to Saint_Proverbius : Yeah,that sound good...If i just knew what the hell you where talking about!
And to Saint_Proverbius : Yeah,that sound good...If i just knew what the hell you where talking about!
Wild Thing said:
Because Fallout is intelligent
Most people, however, are not.
Ow, yuck. Well, I suppose everyone has a right to an opinion, but I must disagree with the statements about the matrix. I'm sorry, but I just can't let one of my favorite movies be attacked like that and say nothing. 
IN any case, I think that the Matrix actually has a superb storyline, and I didn't notice any holes in it, although if you have, please tell me. And I was never bothered by the acting, but that could be due to the fact that I was impressed by the rest of the movie(Apparently, I had that with SW: Episode I as well, since I just saw it again, and noticed the absolutely horrendous acting, which I had never noticed before..).
It also featured some very cool action sequences(granted, you can also dislike it, it's an opinion), and it even raised some nice philosophical questions(Or at least restated them..).
But I do agree that it has little to do with Fallout
Now, about the GECK, I suppose everyone should have his or her own idea about it, since you don't know what it would do(or at least I don't). Would it create the houses, the building materials, or would it just fertilize the land? I can think of several things it could've done(Ranging from building entire cities, to merely fertilizing some crops), but since you don't get any real info besides "Use it to (re)build your city!!", there is no way of knowing.....Hurray, another mystery.....
IN any case, I think that the Matrix actually has a superb storyline, and I didn't notice any holes in it, although if you have, please tell me. And I was never bothered by the acting, but that could be due to the fact that I was impressed by the rest of the movie(Apparently, I had that with SW: Episode I as well, since I just saw it again, and noticed the absolutely horrendous acting, which I had never noticed before..).
It also featured some very cool action sequences(granted, you can also dislike it, it's an opinion), and it even raised some nice philosophical questions(Or at least restated them..).
But I do agree that it has little to do with Fallout
Now, about the GECK, I suppose everyone should have his or her own idea about it, since you don't know what it would do(or at least I don't). Would it create the houses, the building materials, or would it just fertilize the land? I can think of several things it could've done(Ranging from building entire cities, to merely fertilizing some crops), but since you don't get any real info besides "Use it to (re)build your city!!", there is no way of knowing.....Hurray, another mystery.....
Saint_Proverbius
Vault Senior Citizen
Sander said:
We know it built Shady Sands as well as Vault City. We know it built New Arroyo as well. We all know these three locations all look very much alike, so I'd say the tileset for these three locations(though we only see one as a screenshot) is the GECK tileset.
Sander said:
Ok, I'll bite, but let's not let the thread deviate too much, so if you have more to reply just pm me.
I do love to talk about how much the Matrix sucks and how great Gangs of Ney York is (really!).
Also, the Matrix was pretty cool. The Matrix 2 was so bad that it made me think about the Matrix 1 and realise how much it sucks.
The biggest plot hole in the Matrix was the whole "battery"-thing. You can't use human beings as batteries. It's impossible. Why? Well; how would you feed the humans? And even if you could, wouldn't it take more energy to feed the humans than you would get out of them? And what's wrong with charcoal, oil, fusion, fission? And why use humans? why not cows?
Also, Rosh could explain to you why the whole way "the Matrix" works is retarted. The whole "plugging someone out kills him"-thing is stupid and never really explained.
The acting is bad. Moss is one of the worst actresses alive.
The action sequences are it, but so are the action sequences in "Under siege 1&2" with Steven Seagal, or Kickboxer with Jean Claude van Damme, or Commando with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Change of subject:
Saint, the polymer theory is interesting, but what would they use as basic substance? To make a polymer, you need a monomer, and you can't just pull those out of your ass.
maybe GECK is based on nanotechnology. in Deus Ex there is a device called Universal Constructor that uses nano-sized tools to create something out of nothing. we could assume that GECK contains a small fusion reactor that powers nanites which are contained in GECK's equivalent of Universal Constructor, called the basic replicator unit (remember, Renesco mentions it when you tell him you are looking for GECK). nanites are small enough to edit materials on molecular level, so any substance that contains carbon, hydrogen, oxygen etc. could be "disintegrated" by the nanites and used to create monomers which are later fused into polymers. nanites eventually malfunction, one by one, and when GECK runs out of nanites, it becomes "used up".
i also imagine GECK contains some kind of a powerful computer that coordinates the process. in addition to this, it probably contains geological tools that are used to scan the underground for drinking water, a database that contains all information vault dwellers need to survive in the wasteland and start a new community and maybe even some kind of a transmitter that GECK uses to control old prewar bots, computers and other electronic equipment and utilizes them for tasks such as construction (those buildings had to be constructed somehow, and GECK only provided the materials) or defense (i don't think those Vault City laser turrets are common for all the vaults, because then other people would have them too. i believe they were found and utilized when citizens emerged from their Vault).
i also imagine GECK contains some kind of a powerful computer that coordinates the process. in addition to this, it probably contains geological tools that are used to scan the underground for drinking water, a database that contains all information vault dwellers need to survive in the wasteland and start a new community and maybe even some kind of a transmitter that GECK uses to control old prewar bots, computers and other electronic equipment and utilizes them for tasks such as construction (those buildings had to be constructed somehow, and GECK only provided the materials) or defense (i don't think those Vault City laser turrets are common for all the vaults, because then other people would have them too. i believe they were found and utilized when citizens emerged from their Vault).
i think i solve this when i say that it was mentioned in the Bible, Avellone stats that it just refertilizes the soil so that things can grow and that it does something to the air or something...... or am i so obbessed with fallout that i just thought that up and said it was in the Bible.... but seriously i think the bible said that, not sure which edition
Saint_Proverbius
Vault Senior Citizen
Ratty said:
Just a little too complex a technology for a setting where they use vacuum tubes instead of integrated circuits, don't you think?
Fallout said:
Which is kind of why Gareth Davies smacked that idea around publically by quoting the crop rotation quest in Fallout. If that's all it took to solve Arroyo's problems, then a high INT or sci character could suggest crop rotation and the game would be over in two minutes.
It has to be something more.
Saint_Proverbius said:
But how, then, are the monomers found/formed?