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RE: My final words in this.
Well nice debating.
see u later.
Well nice debating.
see u later.
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RE: So when you could help yourself?
What Harold said:
All that i know is that it was something inside that base.
And werent the two people who were expelled from Vault 8 expelled at different times? One a long time ago, and one a short time ago?
Respect everyone, fear no one.
What Harold said:
All that i know is that it was something inside that base.
And werent the two people who were expelled from Vault 8 expelled at different times? One a long time ago, and one a short time ago?
Respect everyone, fear no one.
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RE: My final words in this.
Will the al-mighty demi god please review my theory
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RE: So when you could help yourself?
Oki something inside that base.
<And werent the two people who were expelled from Vault 8 expelled at different times? One a long time ago, and one a short time ago?>
Now i em not shure what u are talking about?
please sumeraise the theori so i can shot it out of the sky.}>
Oki something inside that base.
<And werent the two people who were expelled from Vault 8 expelled at different times? One a long time ago, and one a short time ago?>
Now i em not shure what u are talking about?
please sumeraise the theori so i can shot it out of the sky.}>
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RE: So when you could help yourself?
There were two people who got kicked out of vault 8, and someone (was it Yamu?) theorized that they were Richard Grey and Harold, but with different names (i.e, they changed their names in the wasteland). But i find this highly unlikely as i don't think that everything in FO2 (even that there would be a Fallout2) was planned when FO1 was made, and because they were exiled at different times.
There were two people who got kicked out of vault 8, and someone (was it Yamu?) theorized that they were Richard Grey and Harold, but with different names (i.e, they changed their names in the wasteland). But i find this highly unlikely as i don't think that everything in FO2 (even that there would be a Fallout2) was planned when FO1 was made, and because they were exiled at different times.
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You speak of the Master
Well now you are talking about my FanFic, The Plan of a Master. I've done quite a bit of research about that incedent before writing any of my Fic and it is possible that they were kicked out at the same time but it was made to look as if they were tossed differently.
Remember that the Overseer has absolute authority over everything in his Vault. I think it is possible that the Overseer felt a faction was rising against him and he had to quell it before it got out of hand. He framed the head men for murder and promptly tossed them before anything could be second guessed. After that he went on to build Vault 8 into a community that completely relied upon themselves, a community that turned into Vault City. I'll elaborate more if anyone wishes to hear more about this theory.
>>i don't think that everything in FO2 (even that there would be a Fallout2) was planned when FO1 was made,<<
As for this: BIS most likely saw the success of Fallout and built on the story they had in place. They left enough room in the story for a sequel but didn't leave it so a sequel was absolutely necessary.
-True Raven
Well now you are talking about my FanFic, The Plan of a Master. I've done quite a bit of research about that incedent before writing any of my Fic and it is possible that they were kicked out at the same time but it was made to look as if they were tossed differently.
Remember that the Overseer has absolute authority over everything in his Vault. I think it is possible that the Overseer felt a faction was rising against him and he had to quell it before it got out of hand. He framed the head men for murder and promptly tossed them before anything could be second guessed. After that he went on to build Vault 8 into a community that completely relied upon themselves, a community that turned into Vault City. I'll elaborate more if anyone wishes to hear more about this theory.
>>i don't think that everything in FO2 (even that there would be a Fallout2) was planned when FO1 was made,<<
As for this: BIS most likely saw the success of Fallout and built on the story they had in place. They left enough room in the story for a sequel but didn't leave it so a sequel was absolutely necessary.
-True Raven
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RE: You speak of the Master
But why would it help him to change the records, and say they were expelled at different times? Would it not have been better propaganda to say they were expelled at the same time? And he could not have falsified anything, since people would remember if there was a guy who was kicked out 10 or 20 years ago. and people would remember it if two people were kicked out at the same time. And it's not like he(the overseer) would have survived for long enough to change records 10 or 20 years before the chosen one's arrival. And about the story "The plan of a master", its good, but i think there are two many people living in that vault, since vaults were not meant to accomodate for more than about a hundred people or so(at least not vault 13), and vault city only has around 150 people living in it.
But why would it help him to change the records, and say they were expelled at different times? Would it not have been better propaganda to say they were expelled at the same time? And he could not have falsified anything, since people would remember if there was a guy who was kicked out 10 or 20 years ago. and people would remember it if two people were kicked out at the same time. And it's not like he(the overseer) would have survived for long enough to change records 10 or 20 years before the chosen one's arrival. And about the story "The plan of a master", its good, but i think there are two many people living in that vault, since vaults were not meant to accomodate for more than about a hundred people or so(at least not vault 13), and vault city only has around 150 people living in it.
RE: My final words in this.
Sorry, I haven't been here in awhile, and the last time I was here, I was in kind of a hurry. I'm going to look at it right now.
Oh, and, although it is not especially related to this post in any way, I would just like to say that it's a shame to see that Kilroy has ceased the crusade. He was a good debate (at least to me, I can't speak for TR), and with a bit more refinement to his ideas, and solid fact, he really could've given us a grand run.
Well fought, Kilroy.
Sorry, I haven't been here in awhile, and the last time I was here, I was in kind of a hurry. I'm going to look at it right now.
Oh, and, although it is not especially related to this post in any way, I would just like to say that it's a shame to see that Kilroy has ceased the crusade. He was a good debate (at least to me, I can't speak for TR), and with a bit more refinement to his ideas, and solid fact, he really could've given us a grand run.
Well fought, Kilroy.
Sorry it took me so long, Fang...
>Yamu said somewhere that your
>skin peels when you're dipped.
>Yamu said that the flesh peels
>so that muscles can grow
>underneath.
First things first, I would like to point out that this was True Raven's theory, I think. If it wasn't, I at least know that it wasn't mine. Honest mistake, though.
>This may take some
>time. What if a human
>were dipped then pulled out
>after a few seconds. Their
>skin may have peeled but
>the muscle growth would not
>have increased.
The logic is sound, but I don't think that the FEV process works that way. Subjects immersed in FEV undergo a massive alteration of their DNA structure. It seems most likely that this process, while occuring gradually, occurs more or less at the same time to every major bodily system. I'm not sure here, but it seems to me that the skin wouldn't peel to let the muscle grow, but that it would be physically forced to peel because the muscle was already growing. And, that's if that's even the reason the muscle was peeling. (no offense to Fang or TR, I put that last sentence in for the interests of scientific objectivity)
>Now comes the ultimate
>part of my theory. There
>might not be only one
>way to make a ghoul.
>I think that both radiation
>and a slight amount of
>FEV could create a ghoul.
>Or a different creature that
>falls into the same class
>only because of physical appearance.
Actually, (once again, this is only my opinion), you may just be close to right, albeit a little backwards. You say that there are two different kinds of ghouls from two different sources, I say that there is one type of ghoul, but it is possible that there are two different sources. Although we're still working on the theory that FEV is the causality factor that determines whether a mutation will result in a super mutant or a ghoul, let's assume (for a moment) that radiation can create ghoul mutations. (Forgive me, True Raven, for thinking inside the box!
) What radiation basically does to a person is rips through their body and tears apart their genes. When you step back, and really examine the effects of FEV on a person, you discover that it does the same thing: it rips apart your genes. The only difference is, the FEV re-assembles them better than new. Thus, when the FEV goes to work on someone's DNA, it is possible (due to extensive radiation damage, or perhaps other factors) that it could leave you in the same condition as being irradiated, same symptoms and all, except without the leftover radioctive material to kill you. (Although I am strongly doubtful that radiation alone could mutate someone into a ghoul, it is possible that it plays more of a role in things than TR and myself have been allowing for...)(or, perhaps, there was a special genetic factor to be considered when they were selecting patrons for the vaults? Who really knows?)
>another theory is that FEV1 mutated
>humans into ghouls but the
>second version FEV2 mutated them
>into super mutants. This one
>doesn't explain how Harold or
>the followers ghoul mutated though.
>However it does explain how
>the necropolis ghouls mutated because
>the mater wouldn't have had
>the chance to change that
>version of the FEV. This
>isn't my personal theory exactly
>however.
Again, possible, (and some nice thought into that one, too) but I have to think that if the FEV 1 worked on all the other government test subject animals, why not humans?
>it is possible that the
>first FEV worked slower than
>the second ie. you had
>to be in the FEV
>for longer for it to
>work...
This could possibly be one of the differences between FEV 1 & 2.
>The master was under for
>longer and so the process
>worked to full on him.
>Him being complete the super
>mutants being 2/3 complete ghouls
>being 1/3.
When the FEV was designed by the U.S. government, it was intended primarily to provide immunity from Chinese bio-weapons to U.S. soldiers. No offense, but an army of creatures like the master really wouldn't be that effective. The Master's... unique mutations... are due to the fact that, as you say, he was under for quite some time, and to the fact that he altered himself by injecting himself with doses of FEV, "to make (him)self more pleasing to the unity"
All in all, you definitely put some effort into this, and it contains many points to ponder. In fact, my brain is working right now on much of what you wrote. Parts of your theory are sound, and parts are not. Keep working on it, it show promise!
>Yamu said somewhere that your
>skin peels when you're dipped.
>Yamu said that the flesh peels
>so that muscles can grow
>underneath.
First things first, I would like to point out that this was True Raven's theory, I think. If it wasn't, I at least know that it wasn't mine. Honest mistake, though.
>This may take some
>time. What if a human
>were dipped then pulled out
>after a few seconds. Their
>skin may have peeled but
>the muscle growth would not
>have increased.
The logic is sound, but I don't think that the FEV process works that way. Subjects immersed in FEV undergo a massive alteration of their DNA structure. It seems most likely that this process, while occuring gradually, occurs more or less at the same time to every major bodily system. I'm not sure here, but it seems to me that the skin wouldn't peel to let the muscle grow, but that it would be physically forced to peel because the muscle was already growing. And, that's if that's even the reason the muscle was peeling. (no offense to Fang or TR, I put that last sentence in for the interests of scientific objectivity)
>Now comes the ultimate
>part of my theory. There
>might not be only one
>way to make a ghoul.
>I think that both radiation
>and a slight amount of
>FEV could create a ghoul.
>Or a different creature that
>falls into the same class
>only because of physical appearance.
Actually, (once again, this is only my opinion), you may just be close to right, albeit a little backwards. You say that there are two different kinds of ghouls from two different sources, I say that there is one type of ghoul, but it is possible that there are two different sources. Although we're still working on the theory that FEV is the causality factor that determines whether a mutation will result in a super mutant or a ghoul, let's assume (for a moment) that radiation can create ghoul mutations. (Forgive me, True Raven, for thinking inside the box!
) What radiation basically does to a person is rips through their body and tears apart their genes. When you step back, and really examine the effects of FEV on a person, you discover that it does the same thing: it rips apart your genes. The only difference is, the FEV re-assembles them better than new. Thus, when the FEV goes to work on someone's DNA, it is possible (due to extensive radiation damage, or perhaps other factors) that it could leave you in the same condition as being irradiated, same symptoms and all, except without the leftover radioctive material to kill you. (Although I am strongly doubtful that radiation alone could mutate someone into a ghoul, it is possible that it plays more of a role in things than TR and myself have been allowing for...)(or, perhaps, there was a special genetic factor to be considered when they were selecting patrons for the vaults? Who really knows?)>another theory is that FEV1 mutated
>humans into ghouls but the
>second version FEV2 mutated them
>into super mutants. This one
>doesn't explain how Harold or
>the followers ghoul mutated though.
>However it does explain how
>the necropolis ghouls mutated because
>the mater wouldn't have had
>the chance to change that
>version of the FEV. This
>isn't my personal theory exactly
>however.
Again, possible, (and some nice thought into that one, too) but I have to think that if the FEV 1 worked on all the other government test subject animals, why not humans?
>it is possible that the
>first FEV worked slower than
>the second ie. you had
>to be in the FEV
>for longer for it to
>work...
This could possibly be one of the differences between FEV 1 & 2.
>The master was under for
>longer and so the process
>worked to full on him.
>Him being complete the super
>mutants being 2/3 complete ghouls
>being 1/3.
When the FEV was designed by the U.S. government, it was intended primarily to provide immunity from Chinese bio-weapons to U.S. soldiers. No offense, but an army of creatures like the master really wouldn't be that effective. The Master's... unique mutations... are due to the fact that, as you say, he was under for quite some time, and to the fact that he altered himself by injecting himself with doses of FEV, "to make (him)self more pleasing to the unity"
All in all, you definitely put some effort into this, and it contains many points to ponder. In fact, my brain is working right now on much of what you wrote. Parts of your theory are sound, and parts are not. Keep working on it, it show promise!
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RE: You speak of the Master
>>But why would it help him to change the records, and say they were expelled at different times? Would it not have been better propaganda to say they were expelled at the same time? And he could not have falsified anything, since people would remember if there was a guy who was kicked out 10 or 20 years ago. and people would remember it if two people were kicked out at the same time. And it's not like he(the overseer) would have survived for long enough to change records 10 or 20 years before the chosen one's arrival.<<
If the Overseer was young enough (such as Overseer Reliche in my fic) he would live long enough to do just that. Also, if he ruled with an iron fist he could scare the members of the Vault into doing what he wished them to do. The Overseer has absolute power over everything and can do as he wishes or, if he feels necessary, can do it in secret and get away with it.
As for people not remembering, they would for a generation. After that, the people who would remember or had even heard of it would be few and far between. Let's say those people were thrown out the day the Vault Dweller first left the Vault. A little more than 80 years later how many people would actually remember that vividly or at all?
>>And about the story "The plan of a master", its good,<<
Thank you.
>>but i think there are two many people living in that vault, since vaults were not meant to accomodate for more than about a hundred people or so(at least not vault 13), and vault city only has around 150 people living in it.<<
That info is a wee bit off. Vault 13 was a small Vault and it was designed to hold 1000 people at full compacity. Of course, my town was designed to hold 12,000 people and it now holds more than 35,000. Yes there is a large difference between a Vault and an open piece of land, but even the most cruel Overseer wouldn't order the execution of innocent people because the Vault couldn't take it. He would be overthrown before the first person died.
-True Raven
>>But why would it help him to change the records, and say they were expelled at different times? Would it not have been better propaganda to say they were expelled at the same time? And he could not have falsified anything, since people would remember if there was a guy who was kicked out 10 or 20 years ago. and people would remember it if two people were kicked out at the same time. And it's not like he(the overseer) would have survived for long enough to change records 10 or 20 years before the chosen one's arrival.<<
If the Overseer was young enough (such as Overseer Reliche in my fic) he would live long enough to do just that. Also, if he ruled with an iron fist he could scare the members of the Vault into doing what he wished them to do. The Overseer has absolute power over everything and can do as he wishes or, if he feels necessary, can do it in secret and get away with it.
As for people not remembering, they would for a generation. After that, the people who would remember or had even heard of it would be few and far between. Let's say those people were thrown out the day the Vault Dweller first left the Vault. A little more than 80 years later how many people would actually remember that vividly or at all?
>>And about the story "The plan of a master", its good,<<
Thank you.
>>but i think there are two many people living in that vault, since vaults were not meant to accomodate for more than about a hundred people or so(at least not vault 13), and vault city only has around 150 people living in it.<<
That info is a wee bit off. Vault 13 was a small Vault and it was designed to hold 1000 people at full compacity. Of course, my town was designed to hold 12,000 people and it now holds more than 35,000. Yes there is a large difference between a Vault and an open piece of land, but even the most cruel Overseer wouldn't order the execution of innocent people because the Vault couldn't take it. He would be overthrown before the first person died.
-True Raven
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RE: My final words in this.
I miss that poor little guy already. He had some decent ideas and gave me the shove I needed to refine my ideas and debating skills better. With a little more refinement he had a chance to really debunk our theory. He just jumped out a little prematurely. A comeback maybe Kilroy?
-True Raven
I miss that poor little guy already. He had some decent ideas and gave me the shove I needed to refine my ideas and debating skills better. With a little more refinement he had a chance to really debunk our theory. He just jumped out a little prematurely. A comeback maybe Kilroy?
-True Raven
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New Evidence that supports us
A quickie but some evidence that really makes sense. Many argue that after being radiated you don't turn into a ghoul because the game dosen't allow for it. While this may be true mabye this will help back up our theory just a little bit more. Remember Fallout 2 and those wonderful Centaurions (I hope that's spelled right)? Well when they hit you sometimes you recieved "a large dose of Radiation" while when the supposidly Rad-Ridden ghouls hit you you recieved a less than a red spot on your arm. If ghouls need Radiation to live, such as Kilroy suggests, or if they are completely Radiation-Filled, as the rest of the world suggests, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that when hit by a ghoul you would recieve quite a bit of Radiation, like when you are struck by a Centaurion?
What about this bit of info (along the same lines), why isn't the home of the ghouls filled with radiation? You can rest in Necropolis or Gecko for years and never recieve a drop of it. If they ghouls need radiation to survive or are Rad-Ridden why don't you take at least some radiation damage?
These two bits of info that BIS just "happened to throw in", I believe, further back this theory.
-True Raven
A quickie but some evidence that really makes sense. Many argue that after being radiated you don't turn into a ghoul because the game dosen't allow for it. While this may be true mabye this will help back up our theory just a little bit more. Remember Fallout 2 and those wonderful Centaurions (I hope that's spelled right)? Well when they hit you sometimes you recieved "a large dose of Radiation" while when the supposidly Rad-Ridden ghouls hit you you recieved a less than a red spot on your arm. If ghouls need Radiation to live, such as Kilroy suggests, or if they are completely Radiation-Filled, as the rest of the world suggests, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that when hit by a ghoul you would recieve quite a bit of Radiation, like when you are struck by a Centaurion?
What about this bit of info (along the same lines), why isn't the home of the ghouls filled with radiation? You can rest in Necropolis or Gecko for years and never recieve a drop of it. If they ghouls need radiation to survive or are Rad-Ridden why don't you take at least some radiation damage?
These two bits of info that BIS just "happened to throw in", I believe, further back this theory.
-True Raven
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RE: You speak of the Master
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-01 AT 04:04PM (GMT)[p]>>>But why would it help him to change the records, and say they were expelled at different times? Would it not have been better propaganda to say they were expelled at the same time? And he could not have falsified anything, since people would remember if there was a guy who was kicked out 10 or 20 years ago. and people would remember it if two people were kicked out at the same time. And it's not like he(the overseer) would have survived for long enough to change records 10 or 20 years before the chosen one's arrival.<<
>
>If the Overseer was young enough
>(such as Overseer Reliche in
>my fic) he would live
>long enough to do just
>that. Also, if he ruled
>with an iron fist he
>could scare the members of
>the Vault into doing what
>he wished them to do.
>The Overseer has absolute power
>over everything and can do
>as he wishes or, if
>he feels necessary, can do
>it in secret and get
>away with it.
>
>As for people not remembering, they
>would for a generation. After
>that, the people who would
>remember or had even heard
>of it would be few
>and far between. Let's say
>those people were thrown out
>the day the Vault Dweller
>first left the Vault. A
>little more than 80 years
>later how many people would
>actually remember that vividly or
>at all?
>
But why would he do such a thing??? What purpose does it serve?
>>>And about the story "The plan of a master", its good,<<
>
>Thank you.
>
>>>but i think there are two many people living in that vault, since vaults were not meant to accomodate for more than about a hundred people or so(at least not vault 13), and vault city only has around 150 people living in it.<<
>
>That info is a wee bit
>off. Vault 13 was a
>small Vault and it was
>designed to hold 1000 people
>at full compacity. Of course,
>my town was designed to
>hold 12,000 people and it
>now holds more than 35,000.
>Yes there is a large
>difference between a Vault and
>an open piece of land,
>but even the most cruel
>Overseer wouldn't order the execution
>of innocent people because the
>Vault couldn't take it. He
>would be overthrown before the
>first person died.
>
>-True Raven
Yeah sorry, i just checked my Fallout manual and saw that it was 100 apartments, but think of ten people crammed into each and every one of those small vault rooms. But, you still havent explained how the population of vault 8 in your story (6,749 persons) got diminished to about 150 persons.
Respect everyone, fear no one.
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-01 AT 04:04PM (GMT)[p]>>>But why would it help him to change the records, and say they were expelled at different times? Would it not have been better propaganda to say they were expelled at the same time? And he could not have falsified anything, since people would remember if there was a guy who was kicked out 10 or 20 years ago. and people would remember it if two people were kicked out at the same time. And it's not like he(the overseer) would have survived for long enough to change records 10 or 20 years before the chosen one's arrival.<<
>
>If the Overseer was young enough
>(such as Overseer Reliche in
>my fic) he would live
>long enough to do just
>that. Also, if he ruled
>with an iron fist he
>could scare the members of
>the Vault into doing what
>he wished them to do.
>The Overseer has absolute power
>over everything and can do
>as he wishes or, if
>he feels necessary, can do
>it in secret and get
>away with it.
>
>As for people not remembering, they
>would for a generation. After
>that, the people who would
>remember or had even heard
>of it would be few
>and far between. Let's say
>those people were thrown out
>the day the Vault Dweller
>first left the Vault. A
>little more than 80 years
>later how many people would
>actually remember that vividly or
>at all?
>
But why would he do such a thing??? What purpose does it serve?
>>>And about the story "The plan of a master", its good,<<
>
>Thank you.
>
>>>but i think there are two many people living in that vault, since vaults were not meant to accomodate for more than about a hundred people or so(at least not vault 13), and vault city only has around 150 people living in it.<<
>
>That info is a wee bit
>off. Vault 13 was a
>small Vault and it was
>designed to hold 1000 people
>at full compacity. Of course,
>my town was designed to
>hold 12,000 people and it
>now holds more than 35,000.
>Yes there is a large
>difference between a Vault and
>an open piece of land,
>but even the most cruel
>Overseer wouldn't order the execution
>of innocent people because the
>Vault couldn't take it. He
>would be overthrown before the
>first person died.
>
>-True Raven
Yeah sorry, i just checked my Fallout manual and saw that it was 100 apartments, but think of ten people crammed into each and every one of those small vault rooms. But, you still havent explained how the population of vault 8 in your story (6,749 persons) got diminished to about 150 persons.
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RE: New Evidence that supports us
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-01 AT 04:07PM (GMT)[p]I got radiated after being hit by a glowing one in Necropolis, but i dont know if that was the cause.
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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-01 AT 04:07PM (GMT)[p]I got radiated after being hit by a glowing one in Necropolis, but i dont know if that was the cause.
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I may not post for a while, i'm still here however. I just don't have any theories to post righht now. I'm working on them. Because theree wasn't much response to this for several days i've forgotten everything and so will have to read the whole post over again. I've even forgotten my own theory.
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Yeahhhhhhhhh
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-01 AT 05:38PM (GMT)[p]I em in a good mod today
Since my mom and dad never ever let me play computer games on their computer (I blew it upp with Tjsernobyl)I have not played much computer games BUT ON Tuseday i will get a computer from school ( Great he?)
So now i can dig upp the evidence i need, to blow your teori out of the sky.}>
As soon as i geet that computer.
I will start to bombard u with arguments after the weekend }>
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Also please get the teory ready til the weekend.
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-01 AT 05:38PM (GMT)[p]I em in a good mod today
Since my mom and dad never ever let me play computer games on their computer (I blew it upp with Tjsernobyl)I have not played much computer games BUT ON Tuseday i will get a computer from school ( Great he?)
So now i can dig upp the evidence i need, to blow your teori out of the sky.}>
As soon as i geet that computer.
I will start to bombard u with arguments after the weekend }>
: Also please get the teory ready til the weekend.
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RE: Yeahhhhhhhhh
Ok i just thought of something. There is (perhaps) a second type of ghoul as a result of radiation. The glowing one!!! i assume that they are created by radiation. Radiation makes stuff glow right. If it doesn't Blackisle think or have made it do. Remember the quote from the manual 'If it is illuminated well enough to read at night then don't touch it' not exact but close enough.
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Ok i just thought of something. There is (perhaps) a second type of ghoul as a result of radiation. The glowing one!!! i assume that they are created by radiation. Radiation makes stuff glow right. If it doesn't Blackisle think or have made it do. Remember the quote from the manual 'If it is illuminated well enough to read at night then don't touch it' not exact but close enough.
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Uh-uh.
>Radiation makes stuff glow right.
No, it doesn't. Some Radioactive particles emit light when they (written in bad english) change into a different type of element (sorry, it's late and I can't find other words for this). You can't make something glow by bombarding it with radiation. Thus, a glowing one has radioactive particles in his skin. Or someone took the time to cover them with the sort of paint they used to use on glowing hands of wristwatches.
And the definition from the strategy guide sucks. People standing close enough to a nuclear detonation to tan their hides to leather will probably die of the burns before they have the chance to die of radiation poisioning.
A glowing one is utter nonsense. They evaporate before they can say "Eh ?".
But it it funny in a game, though.
Last, this whole discussion is a bit ridiculous. You are discussing about the true nature of a ghoul (or something). I'll tell you, a ghoul is neither a victim of FEV nor someone with a real good sun tan. It's a magnetic pattern on your hard drive (or a solid one on a CD). Still, it's fun to discuss it.
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>Radiation makes stuff glow right.
No, it doesn't. Some Radioactive particles emit light when they (written in bad english) change into a different type of element (sorry, it's late and I can't find other words for this). You can't make something glow by bombarding it with radiation. Thus, a glowing one has radioactive particles in his skin. Or someone took the time to cover them with the sort of paint they used to use on glowing hands of wristwatches.
And the definition from the strategy guide sucks. People standing close enough to a nuclear detonation to tan their hides to leather will probably die of the burns before they have the chance to die of radiation poisioning.
A glowing one is utter nonsense. They evaporate before they can say "Eh ?".
But it it funny in a game, though.
Last, this whole discussion is a bit ridiculous. You are discussing about the true nature of a ghoul (or something). I'll tell you, a ghoul is neither a victim of FEV nor someone with a real good sun tan. It's a magnetic pattern on your hard drive (or a solid one on a CD). Still, it's fun to discuss it.
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RE: Uh-uh.
Assuming that fallout is real a lot of things were wrong. There would have been a lot more buildings and hundreds of bombs would have to have been sent to create the devastation of Fallout. But i mainly want to know for the fallout Pen & Paper game becuause i'm or will do soon write an expansion to do with mutants, ghgouls, FEV and other similar stuff.
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Assuming that fallout is real a lot of things were wrong. There would have been a lot more buildings and hundreds of bombs would have to have been sent to create the devastation of Fallout. But i mainly want to know for the fallout Pen & Paper game becuause i'm or will do soon write an expansion to do with mutants, ghgouls, FEV and other similar stuff.
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Just when you thought the thread could rest in peace...
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-01 AT 11:59AM (GMT)[p]If it is solely for the purpose of the P&P RPG, I can say with no fear of being wrong that you don't really need that degree of explanation. There really isn't a scientific explanation for the
ghouls, or any explanations for the devistation caused in the war, or how a StealthBoy can work how they say it works, or for a thousand thousand other things in the game.
As to the glowing ones, you can just assume that they are glowing, they are there, and they are generally angry. If you think in terms of "Fallout science", one of the dictums of which is "heavily irradiated things glow," then everything else that has been thought up here is still plausible. The glowing ones are just ghouls, possibly along the lines of True Raven's theory, possibly not, and since they are extremely irradiated, the principles of Fallout science dictate that these ghouls glow.
Of course, for an p&p that explanation works, but for purposes of actual discussion it holds less water than my bland grandmother's bladder.
Oh, as an afterthought on the issue of why there was so much devistation following the war, most people seem to forget two factors: the fact that many of the world's supercomputers (at least allegedly) contributed to the start of the war. If the computers wanted a show, or a grand experiment, they would be the best suited entities in the world to bring it about. After all, how could there be anything better than a supercomputer tied into most of the major systems of a country when it comes to finding a way to cause maximum carnage?
Secondly, the fact that WWIII takes place almost 100 years in the future is widely overlooked. In all that time, on an increasingly hostile global stage, is it not logical to assume that the tide of nuclear disarmament would stem, and the world's governments would manufacture more-- and deadlier-- weapons than the world had previously know?
While this isn't meant to explain away the whole issue, it is meant to give you something to think about, and for you specifically Fang, this may be something to put in the P&P RPG, or at least a point for you to get other ideas for the rpg from.
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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-01 AT 11:59AM (GMT)[p]If it is solely for the purpose of the P&P RPG, I can say with no fear of being wrong that you don't really need that degree of explanation. There really isn't a scientific explanation for the
ghouls, or any explanations for the devistation caused in the war, or how a StealthBoy can work how they say it works, or for a thousand thousand other things in the game.
As to the glowing ones, you can just assume that they are glowing, they are there, and they are generally angry. If you think in terms of "Fallout science", one of the dictums of which is "heavily irradiated things glow," then everything else that has been thought up here is still plausible. The glowing ones are just ghouls, possibly along the lines of True Raven's theory, possibly not, and since they are extremely irradiated, the principles of Fallout science dictate that these ghouls glow.
Of course, for an p&p that explanation works, but for purposes of actual discussion it holds less water than my bland grandmother's bladder.
Oh, as an afterthought on the issue of why there was so much devistation following the war, most people seem to forget two factors: the fact that many of the world's supercomputers (at least allegedly) contributed to the start of the war. If the computers wanted a show, or a grand experiment, they would be the best suited entities in the world to bring it about. After all, how could there be anything better than a supercomputer tied into most of the major systems of a country when it comes to finding a way to cause maximum carnage?
Secondly, the fact that WWIII takes place almost 100 years in the future is widely overlooked. In all that time, on an increasingly hostile global stage, is it not logical to assume that the tide of nuclear disarmament would stem, and the world's governments would manufacture more-- and deadlier-- weapons than the world had previously know?
While this isn't meant to explain away the whole issue, it is meant to give you something to think about, and for you specifically Fang, this may be something to put in the P&P RPG, or at least a point for you to get other ideas for the rpg from.
http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/User_files/3a5b0768718cafc4.jpg