GIN previews Fallout 3

[Brother None]

Game Industry News put up a preview of Fallout 3:<blockquote>Well, I am here to tell you that the game is in 3D, but I don’t think anything will suffer because of it. Bethesda came up with what I consider to be an ingenious way to integrate both real-time and turn-based play into the game. You walk around the game world in first person, or you can switch to third person if you like, just like Oblivion. When combat begins you can either play it out normally like a shooter, or you can enter turn-based mode. In turn-based mode you will pull up a diagram of the enemy, just like in the original Fallout games. You will see the chance to hit each part of the enemy, like their legs, arms, antenna, head or whatever. Each shot takes a different amount of action points, which are assigned to you based on how you make your character. When you take the shot you will see it in slow motion, and the 3D action (the enemy movement) will also move forward in slow motion.

You can always exit turn-based and go back to standard real-time play. Your action points will still regenerate when you are in real-time, but will do so more slowly than when you are in turn-based mode. It’s actually a very beautiful way to make the Fallout universe 3D without leaving turn-based gameplay behind.</blockquote>Either this guy doesn't know what turn-based is or every other journalist is lying.

Link: GIN Fallout 3 preview.

Spotted on RPGCodex.

 

[Black]

Bethesda came up with what I consider to be an ingenious way to integrate both real-time and turn-based play into the game. You walk around the game world in first person, or you can switch to third person if you like, just like Oblivion. When combat begins you can either play it out normally like a shooter, or you can enter turn-based mode. In turn-based mode you will pull up a diagram of the enemy, just like in the original Fallout games. You will see the chance to hit each part of the enemy, like their legs, arms, antenna, head or whatever. Each shot takes a different amount of action points, which are assigned to you based on how you make your character. When you take the shot you will see it in slow motion, and the 3D action (the enemy movement) will also move forward in slow motion.

This...
This is pathetic, every preview of Fallout 3 says something different about VATS.
From the description of previous previews it looks like it's not turn-based, no way in the hell, it's just another 'innovative' real-time with pause, hitboxes and slow-mo.


And each preview is like crit hit in the groin for Fallout fans...
Duh

 

[SuAside]

from everything i've seen til now it looks unlikely that there is turnbased in the game. it is more likely those guys simply don't know what the fuck they are talking about (or were simply manipulated by Bethsoft to use that term). the explanations we've received til now all point towards a variation of RT+P.

 

[lisac2k]

Now IIRC, this part is something new:

When you take the shot you will see it in slow motion, and the 3D action (the enemy movement) will also move forward in slow motion.

Bullet-time in Fallout? Wow, that's what this new-revolutionary-VATS-system is all about... Wow,

an ingenious way to integrate both real-time and turn-based play into the game,

indeed.

 

[SuAside]

the slowmotion thing was already mentioned when having a bloody mess kill. the game goes into slow motion to show the gore. (or so an article said)

 

[radnan]

i find it kind of funny that every review keeps mentioning innovation and moving on since the pressure to go 3d and crap was i think far bigger back in 98 when the whole 3d thing was NEXT GEN and old formulas sucked .. 10 years it seems and the joke from the oiltanker keeps on getting funnier : Examining the computer in the place you fight Horrigan gives you sometihng like : Its running a game called Fallout : its 3d and multiplayer

 

[Futurity]

OMG! RT with Pause is not turn based in any way!

But the most sad part is that they will most likely make a very good game for todays standards.

 

[Von Drunky]

What is the big deal so you pause the game do what you need to do and press play. What is the major difference between this and the original turn base system? Where you have a certain number of action point to shot some super mutant’s cock off (oh no, we’ve been robed). I’m thinking its going to work more like Guild Wars in real time when it comes to APs. The whole view thing I don’t know with the graphics available now I really think we would all enjoy the game a lot more on the visual scale

 

[Brother None]

What is the big deal so you pause the game do what you need to do and press play. What is the major difference between this and the original turn base system?

In a turn based game, I could take actions while it was my turn, my opponents couldn't.

In RTwP, nobody can take actions unless everyone can, nothing moves in turns.

The question isn't "what's the difference," the question is "what's the similarity."

You can't do anything while in paused mode, Von Drunky. Do read our FAQ.

 

[Black]

OMG! RT with Pause is not turn based in any way!

But it's sooo innovative!

But the most sad part is that they will most likely make a very good game for todays standards.

That only proves that 'todays standards' are dumbed down games, which have to appeal to the majority...
It's like there's no place for companies like old BI
Makes me wonder- if there will be a 'revolution' when people will get tired of simple shooters with inventory and stats, or is this kind of entertainment slowly dying

 

[Von Drunky]

I’m on it. But honestly I think you need to give them more credit actually according to the poll the majority believes that it’s headed in the right direction. It is pointless to argue this until we actually play the game.

It's like there's no place for companies like old BI
Makes me wonder- if there will be a 'revolution' when people will get tired of simple shooters with inventory and stats, or is this kind of entertainment slowly dying

But we're still cool with STALKER right?

 

[Black]

But we're still cool with STALKER right?

I'm not cool with turning every game into STALKER-like game

 

[Sander]

I’m on it. But honestly I think you need to give them more credit actually according to the poll the majority believes that it’s headed in the right direction. It is pointless to argue this until we actually play the game.

Assuming you're talking about our frontpage poll, that poll only speaks about reactions to the *teaser trailer*. Furthermore, people have skewed the results of polls before. Lastly, since when do we need to agree with the majority opinion?

 

[Vault 69er]

But we're still cool with STALKER right?

STALKER is STALKER. Fallout is Fallout.
The anger arises from developers like Bethesda not understanding this.

 

[yevinorion]

I wouldn't really credit this preview much....it tells us nothing we haven't already heard, except to show that the journalist is probably using terminoloy that he's unfamiliar with.

 

[Vault 69er]

Though he's basically saying the same thing all the others are saying, which is basically "Turn based gaming was invented by cavemen who thought the world was flat and sacrificed chickens to Baal. Bethesda are super-cool modern age developers and have seen fit to update Fallout for these modern times and they've even updated turn based gaming itself to please those foolish fanboys who'll never be happy. SO BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP BETHESDA!!"

 

[Placid]

Another preview up in a Norwegian newspaper, just a rehash of whats already been said basically.

Some choice quotes :

"Fallout 2 also did well, but the two sequels FO:T and FO:BOS was felt as a betrayal by the fans. Now however, thats all forgotten"

"The camera is defaulted to a first person view, but you can change it to an "over the shoulder" view, or an "above the characters head" view"

"The combat system has been revamped, and can now happen in real time should you wish it. You can, if wanted, pause the game and plan your next moves.

Here, the game is overwhelmingly splatter focused, with big weapons and the bloodsplattering consequenses of their use, including exploding heads, and eyeballs popping out."

 

[Slicerdicer]

Insincere drivel about how Bethesda might be the messiah of computer and video games, worded in such a way that nobody talks and anybody with their bs meter turned on can see right through.

Mines on

 

[Von Drunky]

I’ve never actually played a Bethesda game before but outside this community I haven’t heard anyone say anything negative about them, then again I don’t really hangout with hardcore gamers. I really can’t tell you if the Developers are space age gods or not. As for skewing the polls we are talking about fallout 3 not Bush vs Kerry. When the majority opinion comes from Fallout fans such as ourselves I don’t know maybe its worth looking into, but that’s just me.

 

[Sander]

I’ve never actually played a Bethesda game before but outside this community I haven’t heard anyone say anything negative about them, then again I don’t really hangout with hardcore gamers. I really can’t tell you if the Developers are space age gods or not.

They aren't.
Oblivion might not have been a bad game, but it most certainly was a bad role-playing game.

As for skewing the polls we are talking about fallout 3 not Bush vs Kerry. When the majority opinion comes from Fallout fans such as ourselves I don’t know maybe its worth looking into, but that’s just me.

Polls still get skewed, polls still get rigged. The number of votes in our polls also isn't all that significant.
And again: it was a reaction to the teaser, *not* to the previews.