GIN previews Fallout 3

[Von Drunky]

I’ve never actually played a Bethesda game before but outside this community I haven’t heard anyone say anything negative about them, then again I don’t really hangout with hardcore gamers. I really can’t tell you if the Developers are space age gods or not.

They aren't.
Oblivion might not have been a bad game, but it most certainly was a bad role-playing game.

As for skewing the polls we are talking about fallout 3 not Bush vs Kerry. When the majority opinion comes from Fallout fans such as ourselves I don’t know maybe its worth looking into, but that’s just me.

Polls still get skewed, polls still get rigged. The number of votes in our polls also isn't all that significant.
And again: it was a reaction to the teaser, *not* to the previews.

Okay and based on that poll fans still think they are on the right track. After seeing the screenshots, watching the teaser and reading everything I think its going to be a great game. Will it be better then F1 or F2? Probably not but it’s going to come pretty damn close.

Btw is your avatar from that Bowie film?

 

[Jarno Mikkola]

The only thing we can now hope is that they(Beth...) don't screw up the atmosphare of 50'sh sci-fi, cause they have done so bad job at the turn based combat, and the view perspective.

I'll still hold a hope that someone in here will make a mod that will at least, removes the gun names and make them sound fallouty, for fools like me that bought the game from an undescripted location at this nation, were all it's citycens know the greateness of common good.

 

[Makagulfazel]

Okay and based on that poll fans still think they are on the right track. After seeing the screenshots, watching the teaser and reading everything I think its going to be a great game. Will it be better then F1 or F2? Probably not but it’s going to come pretty damn close.

Btw is your avatar from that Bowie film?

Oh man, you're an intelligent one. How many times does he have to say that the poll was about the TEASER. Fans are PISSED about the GAME/PREVIEWS but thought that Bethesda may have been going in the right direction solely because of the existence of Fallout related items in the TEASER.

And no, that avatar is not from Labyrinth.

 

[Sander]

Okay and based on that poll fans still think they are on the right track.

What part of *based on the teaser only* do you not understand? Huh?

After seeing the screenshots, watching the teaser and reading everything I think its going to be a great game. Will it be better then F1 or F2? Probably not but it’s going to come pretty damn close.

Then you haven't understood much of what has been revealed so far.

Btw is your avatar from that Bowie film?

No.

 

[Makagulfazel]

I think it's time for a poll change, so we don't misguide people into believing that we support Fallout 3. Simply change the words "concept art and teaser" to "game mechanics and previews", then maybe Von Drunky wouldn't be so confused after a few votes are tallied.

 

[xu]

Smells like shit, but what the heck. I admit that i will still buy it and play it, IF it has the right atmosphere and dialogue trees.

 

[Sniff]

Everyone will buy it... And then, after we've finished "that" game, after everything is said, we'll be finally able to return to our home: Fallout - not only game, but our free imagination, that follows "this" game whenether we are playing it.

That's that i fell.

Hope my english is understable enough...

 

[Black]

Everyone will buy it...

That's what beth is hoping for but they're dead wrong

 

[skyway]

The only thing we can now hope is that they(Beth...) don't screw up the atmosphare of 50'sh sci-fi

According to screenies and concept arts... they already did it :p

Everyone will buy it...

I won't buy a game just because it's Fallout. I will buy a game only if it's a good role-playing game that has everything we love so much from Fallout in it called Fallout.

 

[Sniff]

Everyone will buy it...

That's what beth is hoping for but they're dead wrong

If i were on the list, that contains 10 most famous enemies of Bethesda's Fallout 3 (first nine are reserverd to NMA runners), i think i would still feel a need to examine that game. And I'll do it. So they'll do i think. But, also it doesn't mean that I (they) are liars (sorry for this word, cannot find better in my dictionary at the moment, hope you'll understand).


They simply really feel, what's been callled not only once on this forum - The Spirit Of Fallout. And what is this, that "spirit"? I could ask - what is the main difference between radio and televison? It is that, that I remember my imagination beeing FULLY "utlilized" while listening a radio... and playing Fallout. Can a tv do this? No, it will absorb you with every single, little detail, and will not leave any, ANY place for your own imagination at all

So will fully equpied in all modern tricks... Fallout 3.

 

[Bunkermensch]

Everyone will buy it... And then, after we've finished "that" game, after everything is said, we'll be finally able to return to our home: Fallout - not only game, but our free imagination, that follows "this" game whenether we are playing it.

That's that i fell.

Hope my english is understable enough...

Sorry but you are so wrong. I won't buy it and I won't play it. So Your thesis that everybody will buy it is just wrong.

And I think it is the best way to show them, that you are not as stupid as they think you are. Just don't buy it. Why should you? There is really no reason to give money to your enemies, that would only strengthen them and who knows what they are planning next? Would you send money to your local terrorists?

 

[Sniff]

Everyone will buy it... And then, after we've finished "that" game, after everything is said, we'll be finally able to return to our home: Fallout - not only game, but our free imagination, that follows "this" game whenether we are playing it.

That's that i fell.

Hope my english is understable enough...

Sorry but you are so wrong. I won't buy it and I won't play it. So Your thesis that everybody will buy it is just wrong.

And I think it is the best way to show them, that you are not as stupid as they think you are. Just don't buy it. Why should you? There is really no reason to give money to your enemies, that would only strengthen them and who knows what they are planning next? Would you send money to your local terrorists?

I played Tactics. I bought it.... 3 times. 3? First two were physically destroyed, cause i fought it was F3 - story well known among fallout fans. So I am crazy? I am... I will make this stupid mistake again. Why? I've no idea... But it's not about money, i just wanna know how far, or close it will be to the "Spirit". Then, i will take something from it, to held [(?) - hmm, right?] this spirit. So, in other words, i will spend a much more bigger sum of money for a just a little thing from whole BIG game.

But i undrstand, that this sh.t might be completly misunderstood.

EDIT:

OH, and one more thing, i don't treat Bethesda stuff as my enemies, why do You? They are making a game, they're working, they're earning money when we are buying their game - is it morally wrong? Critiscism from fanbase side is obvious, I disagree, You disgraee, They disagree... but i don't treat them as enemies. Same people as we are, but in different positions in time, place, and possibilites.

 

[Sorrow]

Everyone will buy it...

I won't. Here I have a list of things that I want to have:
The Omega Syndrome, albums of Marduk, Emperor, Nile, Behemoth, Richard Wagner, Dimmu Borgir, Ildjarn, Zyklon, Amon Amarth, Satyricon, Ziltoid, Battlelore, Therion, Cradle of Filth, Morbid Angel, Ministry, Within Temptation, Puissance, Vader and similiar bands, DVDs with a movies like Brasil, Jin Roh, Metropolis, Them, Akira Kurosawa's and Cubrick's movies, 1984, etc., comics like EC Comics archives, Buck Rogers, Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon, Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot, Mister X, Electropolis, Terminal City, Click, Punisher Archives, Warhammer Monthly subscription, etc., books like about medieval and renaissance history, WWII, Korean War, firearms, medieval and renaissance arms and armor, medieval and renaissance martial arts, tanks, life advice, etc., various novels, art albums,PnP RPG manuals like GURPS Basic Set, GURPS Atomic Horror, GURPS High Tech, GURPS Ultra Tech, The Riddle of Steel - The Flower of Battle, old AD&D manuals, etc., a computer games like Close Combat 6, various indie and shareware games, a monthly Fitness Club subscription, music lessons, etc., etc.,

Now tell me, why the hell would I buy a game from a developers that fails to understand what Fallout is?

OH, and one more thing, i don't treat Bethesda stuff as my enemies, why do You?

Because that's what they are. They are enemies of Fallout.

They are making a game, they're working, they're earning money when we are buying their game - is it morally wrong?

What it has to do with the situation? Yes, they are making a game and they are earning money. This doesn't change that they are enemies of cTRPGs.
I'm not going to reward them for doing it.

 

[Seraphim Pwns U]

OH, and one more thing, i don't treat Bethesda stuff as my enemies, why do You? They are making a game, they're working, they're earning money when we are buying their game - is it morally wrong? Critiscism from fanbase side is obvious, I disagree, You disgraee, They disagree... but i don't treat them as enemies. Same people as we are, but in different positions in time, place, and possibilites.

This is purely my opinion, and mine alone... But since Fallout's era, I have yet to come across another real Western RPG (Arcanum doesn't count, 'cause I hadn't heard about it until recently). Everything is either Action/RPG, Adventure/RPG (on a single occasion), or complete hybrid (once again, on two occasions [but I got the first for free when I bought the second]).

IMHO, Fallout was the last vestige of hope for me... and knowing full well what the fanbase thought, turned it into another yet-another-Action/RPG.

...but... that there is another... and my hopes now lie with it.

 

[Sniff]

Everyone will buy it...

I won't.

OK. Less then everyone - and after this whole affair, after Your own aragement (i've red this forum for years) in this whole matter "Of what Fallout is, and what Fallout 3 should be", you would be satsified with ONLY opinions from fanbase ("yeah, a plyayed F3, it was this and that")? You may, and I will belive you.... WANDERER, FOR NOW...

I won't. Here I have a list of things that I want to have:
The Omega Syndrome, albums of Marduk, Emperor, Nile, Behemoth, Richard Wagner, Dimmu Borgir, Ildjarn, Zyklon, Amon Amarth, Satyricon, Ziltoid, Battlelore, Therion, Cradle of Filth, Morbid Angel, Ministry, Within Temptation, Puissance, Vader and similiar bands, DVDs with a movies like Brasil, Jin Roh, Metropolis, Them, Akira Kurosawa's and Cubrick's movies, 1984, etc., comics like EC Comics archives, Buck Rogers, Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon, Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot, Mister X, Electropolis, Terminal City, Click, Punisher Archives, Warhammer Monthly subscription, etc., books like about medieval and renaissance history, WWII, Korean War, firearms, medieval and renaissance arms and armor, medieval and renaissance martial arts, tanks, life advice, etc., various novels, art albums,PnP RPG manuals like GURPS Basic Set, GURPS Atomic Horror, GURPS High Tech, GURPS Ultra Tech, The Riddle of Steel - The Flower of Battle, old AD&D manuals, etc., a computer games like Close Combat 6, various indie and shareware games, a monthly Fitness Club subscription, music lessons, etc., etc.,

Sorry, I am not good in english, as you can see, but did you try to read my post correctly?

I DISAGREE (= i dont't like 90% of terms in your list too),but I WILL BUY this game to test it, to watch the whole matter. If don't, how I can be able to say anything about it?

Because that's what they are. They are enemies of Fallout.

You're unffair - you love fallout story, so you now how it is complicated, they seem to have gone in wrong directions, but are they enemies? I mean ENEMIES? REALLY?

 

[Sorrow]

Fallout was something great - when they were making it, they were planning a series of several GURPS cTRPGs.
If these plans would be successful, we would have a Golden Age of cRPGs.
Not only, Fallout, but equally deep cTRPGs in different settings, potentially including Fantasy, Space and Time Travel.

What Bethesda is doing is an ultimate betrayal of that glorious vision. That's why I treat them as enemies.

 

[Placid]

I DISAGREE (= i dont't like 90% of terms in your list too),but I WILL BUY this game to test it, to watch the whole matter. If don't, how I can be able to say anything about it?

You do realise that there are ways of finding out how a game is without actually buying it first ? (no, im not advocating piracy). Try the demo, provided they make one, test it in the store (if its primarily for the 360, many stores will probably have it up and running when it hits the shelves), etc.

 

[Sniff]

Fallout was something great - when they were making it, they were planning a series of several GURPS cTRPGs.
If these plans would be successful, we would have a Golden Age of cRPGs.
Not only, Fallout, but equally deep cTRPGs in different settings, potentially including Fantasy, Space and Time Travel.

What Bethesda is doing is an ultimate betrayal of that glorious vision. That's why I treat them as enemies.

Yes, I somehow agree with you at this point. RPG is not gonna be the same as it was. Bethesda is the one who's a pioneer in this matter? I mean - in making games that are not the ones which we remember - you know, whole all nights on F1,F2, Torment and other?

You may be right better than me in this matter, but I want to check it by myself..
And yes, I will pay for it, thats who am I.

You do realise that there are ways of finding out how a game is without actually buying it first ? (no, im not advocating piracy). Try the demo, provided they make one, test it in the store (if its primarily for the 360, many stores will probably have it up and running when it hits the shelves), etc.

Thank you for this advise. Really. Serious. Now tell me - you are the one who tried only FALLOUT DEMO? It was exactly the same (as FALLOUT)? I mean: sounds, weapons damage? Yes, its retorical, but still serious...

 

[lisac2k]

I DISAGREE (= i dont't like 90% of terms in your list too),but I WILL BUY this game to test it, to watch the whole matter. If don't, how I can be able to say anything about it?

You do realise that there are ways of finding out how a game is without actually buying it first ? (no, im not advocating piracy). Try the demo, provided they make one, test it in the store (if its primarily for the 360, many stores will probably have it up and running when it hits the shelves), etc.

And, of course, there are most extreme actions in obtaining it, like stealing it from a game/media store or piracy. But no matter what, all of us will eventually realise what kind of mumbo-jumbo is hidden behind the sweet title.

The way Beth plays her cards right now, most of the fans can see it already. Toadd and his imps hold the cards faced-off.

 

[Placid]

Thank you for this advise. Really. Serious. Now tell me - you are the one who tried only FALLOUT DEMO? It was exactly the same (as FALLOUT)? I mean: sounds, weapons damage? Yes, its retorical, but still serious...

I've never tried the Fallout demo, no, so i cant say what differences there are to the full game, if any. I was a huge fan of the game Wasteland (on the Commodore 64), and when i (many years later) learned about the "unofficial sequel" Fallout on the internet, i bought it right away.

More than playing through and experiencing the entire game, i meant that if you got to try it out for a bit, it should easily be able to give you a "feel" for the game, how it handles the various issues, and things like that, so you can decide if it looks promising, that you like it, or dont like it before you spend your money