Glutton Creeper's generic post-apocalyptic d20

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Glutton Creeper Games has been unable to make progress with Bethesda since GCG's permission to use the Fallout setting was revoked. They have posted an update to their status, as well as their plans to convert their work thus far to a generic post-apocalyptic d20 setting.<blockquote>June 6 ,2007: Our lawyer recieved a nice letter from ZeniMax's law firm, stating we had 2 days to remove any references promoting a Fallout PnP from our website, and they do not have any business with GCG since they own all media right to Fallout in any form and do not wish to do business with GCG in any manner. Also they still calm Interplay never had any rights to license a PNP game to us, refusing to give us prove of their claim, and that Interplay should be the target of our laywer and not them. Interplay has been silent on this matter so far.

So for now, Fallout PnP is being converted into a generic Post-Apocalyptic d20 that is suitable for any Post-Apocalypse setting. Use our storyline we are adding or just the general rules and add your own. We will still include the paranoia of WW2 and the Cold War, along with the 50' science fiction / comic book humor, and world events into our products, as these cannot be claimed as IP.</blockquote>Link: GCG's 'Post-Apocalyptic d20' page.
 
I guess some would rejoice about this news, but it also makes clear what kind of policy Bethesda/ZeniMax is handling.

Will they now start attacking fan projects too?
Claiming that they 'diminish' the Fallout franchise in some way?
 
I feel sorry for "the little guy", for "he" always gets screwed in deals like this, especially when the other party is a company like Interplay.

I'm glad they did not allow this game to have the name Fallout on it, but many people wouldn't have bought/played it anyway...
 
Eh, well... That's fucked up. Even though the Fallout d20 would've probably sucked ass, but that's just... fucked up.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
I guess some would rejoice about this news, but it also makes clear what kind of policy Bethesda/ZeniMax is handling.

Will they now start attacking fan projects too?
Claiming that they 'diminish' the Fallout franchise in some way?
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Actually, it was Glutton Creeper that attacked fan project in the first place, so I don't feel sorry for them at all.
 
Ausir said:
The Dutch Ghost said:
I guess some would rejoice about this news, but it also makes clear what kind of policy Bethesda/ZeniMax is handling.

Will they now start attacking fan projects too?
Claiming that they 'diminish' the Fallout franchise in some way?
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Actually, it was Glutton Creeper that attacked fan project in the first place, so I don't feel sorry for them at all.
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They did?
 
Ausir said:
Actually, it was Glutton Creeper that attacked fan project in the first place, so I don't feel sorry for them at all.
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Okay, well fuck them, then. They got what they deserved...
 
Series8217 said:
Ausir said:
The Dutch Ghost said:
They did?
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Yes, they made Elodious take down his fan-made Fallout d20 from his website and from NMA.
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Well I guess he can put it back up again now that we know GCG has no rights to it. :-)
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With regards to TES mods, Bethesda already let people use their IP as long as no profit is made. So if Zenimax came down on fans for this they'd be violating their own policy.
So yes, it's possible. :P
 
Even though it was probably going to be a Fallout rapefest I can't help feeling sorry for what Interplay did to them.
 
Interplay is just being Interplay.

Now they actually want money for a MMO game that will probably never get finished.
 
Vault 69er said:
With regards to TES mods, Bethesda already let people use their IP as long as no profit is made. So if Zenimax came down on fans for this they'd be violating their own policy.
So yes, it's possible. :P
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Define 'profit'. If I were to make a mod, and have 'banners' in the mod, would that be ok ? How about if I were to have banners on the page where you can download the mod ? Or what if I were to sell t-shirts featuring something related to the mod ? What if I were to use the money made from the banners to pay for the hosting ? Where do you draw the line ?

I'm interested in this for rather obvious reasons, and I'm still not sure if the other fan-made projects have to fear C&D letters as well.

Edit: corrected link.
 
:rofl:

I never liked the whole GCG Fallout PnP project. A bunch of amateurs, if you ask me.
 
Phil said:
Vault 69er said:
With regards to TES mods, Bethesda already let people use their IP as long as no profit is made. So if Zenimax came down on fans for this they'd be violating their own policy.
So yes, it's possible. :P
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Define 'profit'. If I were to make a mod, and have 'banners' in the mod, would that be ok ? How about if I were to have banners on the page where you can download the mod ? Or what if I were to sell t-shirts featuring something related to the mod ? What if I were to use the money made from the banners to pay for the hosting ? Where do you draw the line ?

I'm interested in this for rather obvious reasons, and I'm still not sure if the other fan-made projects have to fear C&D letters as well.

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Merchandise would be out of the question, unless say your t-shirts featured only the name of the mod or something unique to it that doesn't use someone else's IP. Advertising within the mod would also be frowned upon.
 
Vault 69er said:
Merchandise would be out of the question, unless say your t-shirts featured only the name of the mod or something unique to it that doesn't use someone else's IP. Advertising within the mod would also be frowned upon.
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Just for clarification: I don't plan on building a mod, nor using advertising, or just doing anything even remotely commercial, but I do fear a C&D once (and if) projects become bigger (beyond the usual mod/fan-fic scope).
And because the law is so f*cked up, Zenimax' lawyers are obliged to 'protect their IP' for even the most idiotic cases in order to be able to defend themselves later on (when it really matters). And that's the real problem. I'm quite sure all of the Fallout developers (or even Bethesda as a whole) stand behind fan-made projects. But lawyers are quite a different breed.
 
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