Gram.pl video-interview with Pete Hines
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Autoduel76
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
So, official confirmation of ghouls that are not just mindless enemies, and that you will be able to talk and trade with them.
Also a suggestion that there will be limited interactivity, beyond combat, with a select few Supermutants.
That pretty much answers one of the questions from the still unanswered, fan interview.
Also a suggestion that there will be limited interactivity, beyond combat, with a select few Supermutants.
That pretty much answers one of the questions from the still unanswered, fan interview.
whirlingdervish
Brahmin Cavalry Commander
When someone isn't getting the point of what you are saying to them, do you start mentioning other things instead, or do you repeat yourself in order to help them understand and possibly see the light?
That's how I see the backlash against Bethesda & Fallout 3 at this point.
They (either intentionally or unintentionally) do not get it. (it being Us and Fallout)
They don't understand why we pick apart the things that we see as obviously un-fallout and that is because they do not know Fallout (setting or otherwise) and by extension they don't know what we want, even tho multiple respected members of the community have outlined exactly what we'd expect in a SEQUEL to Fallout, and some of the original devs have even chimed in to explain what they meant for Fallout to be.
Since that information is readily available, they should be able to figure out exactly what we want and how their game diverges from this, and yet, they haven't gotten it.
What should we do in this case?
Do we accept their ignorance and give up on the chance that they might make a better game next time, or should we attempt to alleviate that ignorance by repeating ourselves until our points sink in?
As I see it, if we shut up about how out of character the mutants are, or how badly they've mangled the setting and the gameplay, it will be taken as acceptance on our part that we'll never get the game we want, and that will lead inexorably to them caring even less about our love for the game and our view of what Fallout means.
When we cease to repeat ourselves and stand up for what we know Fallout to be, it will be the day that our chance of ever getting another good Fallout sequel dies.
That's how I see the backlash against Bethesda & Fallout 3 at this point.
They (either intentionally or unintentionally) do not get it. (it being Us and Fallout)
They don't understand why we pick apart the things that we see as obviously un-fallout and that is because they do not know Fallout (setting or otherwise) and by extension they don't know what we want, even tho multiple respected members of the community have outlined exactly what we'd expect in a SEQUEL to Fallout, and some of the original devs have even chimed in to explain what they meant for Fallout to be.
Since that information is readily available, they should be able to figure out exactly what we want and how their game diverges from this, and yet, they haven't gotten it.
What should we do in this case?
Do we accept their ignorance and give up on the chance that they might make a better game next time, or should we attempt to alleviate that ignorance by repeating ourselves until our points sink in?
As I see it, if we shut up about how out of character the mutants are, or how badly they've mangled the setting and the gameplay, it will be taken as acceptance on our part that we'll never get the game we want, and that will lead inexorably to them caring even less about our love for the game and our view of what Fallout means.
When we cease to repeat ourselves and stand up for what we know Fallout to be, it will be the day that our chance of ever getting another good Fallout sequel dies.
Seymour the spore plant
Still Mildly Glowing
On the topic of discussion and whining, I think that maybe people underestimate the power that online fan communities such as NMA or the Codex have, especially regarding the backlash to whatever news are presented. Sure, Bethesda will most certainly not change a single thing about their game because of bad reception. They made this point very clear by now.
But think about this: every single preview so far has at least one paragraph about those crazy, rabid fans foaming at the mouth about this game. They are jumping through hoops to discredit the bad word-of-mouth, and that purpose, at the very least, our ranting serves.
Wow, I didn't gather this at all from the interview. Do you mean something like the dialogues with the lieutenant in Fallout 1? Because they are making it pretty clear that supermutants are enemies in the game.
But think about this: every single preview so far has at least one paragraph about those crazy, rabid fans foaming at the mouth about this game. They are jumping through hoops to discredit the bad word-of-mouth, and that purpose, at the very least, our ranting serves.
Autoduel76 said:
Wow, I didn't gather this at all from the interview. Do you mean something like the dialogues with the lieutenant in Fallout 1? Because they are making it pretty clear that supermutants are enemies in the game.
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
There's a different video interview on Grytv.pl, worth a look.
cazsim83
First time out of the vault
I'm 99% certain that Bethesda already said there will be *NO* friendly super-mutants in Fallout 3.Shorrty Bear said:
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
Briosafreak said:
Noteable features:
Leveling scaling is in.
"If the player finds the game too difficult or too easy, they can adjust it using the difficulty slider."
Character level cap is 20.
Major Skills:
Combat
Science
Stealth
Speech
*** Recognized that Fallout was ignored for 10 years.
Eyenixon said:
I agree. However, "a better world starts with yourself". Rather than telling other people what to do, set the right example yourself.
MrB said:
Eh? Dude, "carbon copy"? Sequel doesn't imply "carbon copy" at all, it implies the same design philosophy and setting, sure, but just copying the same game over and over is cheap and unfulfilling. Fallout 3 should not be to Fallout 2 what Fallout 2 was to Fallout 1, it's been too long for that and the series does need to evolve. Just not devolve, like it is doing.
"Carbon copy" is exactly the wrong choice of words.
pkt-zer0 said:Aren't you two saying the same thing?
Perhaps Bumble meant the same thing, but "carbon copy" implies a rigidity of setting and design philosophy that I very much dislike.
Brother None said:pkt-zer0 said:Aren't you two saying the same thing?
Perhaps Bumble meant the same thing, but "carbon copy" implies a rigidity of setting and design philosophy that I very much dislike.
True. It was a poor choice of words. I meant an evolution of design devoid of canonical contradictions. New stuff but without modifications of what was already done in previous episodes. Also, when I'm talking of design, it's actually mainly the setting, not the game mechanics etc...
Also, completely off-topic but HAD TO post it somewhere as it's a bit Fallout-related :
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A true Irishman
Make us proud, Liam
Make us proud, Liam
Heldelance
First time out of the vault
Could have been a good game if it were just a Post-Nuke Oblivion with the "feel" of Fallout (but no reference whatsoever to Fallout).
It looks like a freaking console oriented game as well, and in general, console games are overly simplified.
petey hines has DEFINITELY never touched Fallout, Mutants never hated humans for being humans, they're only that angry because they're that ugly!
It looks like a freaking console oriented game as well, and in general, console games are overly simplified.
petey hines has DEFINITELY never touched Fallout, Mutants never hated humans for being humans, they're only that angry because they're that ugly!