Gun Control

[SuAside]

But Nothing that more guns couldn't fix though .

I know you're joking, but there's evidence of just that.
Israel had a terrorist & school shooter problem, up until they started to allow teachers and janitors to go about their job armed. After that? No real issue remained.

Of course, it's horrendously simplistic to imply that such a thing would work in the USA, but it has worked before.

Makes you kinda wonder though, at which point will the market be saturated with 'safety'? If every citizen has 2 fire arms? 3? Maybe 5? We have to wait and see I guess.

I think I've got 14 now. Don't intend to really stop. Already thinking of the 15th.

None of these guns raise my "safety" though, since if my home gets burgled I have really no chance of getting to my guns for self-defense because my local gun laws are so oppressive that they have to be locked away, with ammo stored separately and not pre-loaded in their magazine.

Wouldn't it me more cost effective to make bulletproof shirts than backpacks? Unless it's an XXL there seems to be the same amount of material.

Weight, thickness & flexibility is the issue.

Any decent level of protection is somewhat cumbersome. And these cheapass school protection kits use cheap components to keep the price down.

A rich person can buy a bulletproof trenchcoat that's going to stop rounds up to 9x19mm or potentially .40s&w, but that's going to cost quite a lot to keep it both flexible and light.

You can't realistically make a cheap and light "bulletproof shirt" like you're suggesting.

 

[Hassknecht]

Wouldn't it me more cost effective to make bulletproof shirts than backpacks? Unless it's an XXL there seems to be the same amount of material.

"Bulletproof shirt", you mean "combat armor"? That would be really heavy to wear all day, and takes longer to put on that just cowering behind a bulletproof backpack or cafeteria tray.

 

[Lanfear]

None of these guns raise my "safety" though, since if my home gets burgled I have really no chance of getting to my guns for self-defense because my local gun laws are so oppressive that they have to be locked away, with ammo stored separately and not pre-loaded in their magazine.

On the upside, if your home gets burgled, it won't result in 14 more guns making their way into the illegal gun market and arming another 14 criminals.

The army realeased a 'school shooting simulator' for schools to see if they are well protected against school-shootings. The comment section of the youtube video is full of people making gamer jokes.

Well, the internet is always going to internet.

Know what would probably fix this problem, as well as any number of other problems within the US? Stopping lobbying groups from buying senators and congressmen, and fixing the political system so that it isn't corrupt as shit and just utterly broken in general. But who am I kidding, that wouldn't be in the interest of anyone in US politics.

 

[Crni Vuk]

I know you're joking, but there's evidence of just that.

I am not disputing that for all cases. But I don't think that's necessarily a solution for school shootings.

Of course, it's horrendously simplistic to imply that such a thing would work in the USA, but it has worked before.

Well, restricting weapons has also worked before .

 

[TheGM]

On the upside, if your home gets burgled, it won't result in 14 more guns making their way into the illegal gun market and arming another 14 criminals.

There is that word again.

 

[Lanfear]

There is that word again.

What's the inference here? A lot of guns get stolen in the US.

 

[Deleted member 93956]

Jesus, I wasn't being serious about the bulletproof shirt in answer to the backpack. That's incredibly just dumb and only a dumber question could accompany it.

There is that word again.

Wouldn't straight up say "when" be a bit pessimistic? Btw @Lanfear do mind that Sua lives in Belgium, if you don't know when considering his stance when to answer.

Anyway, c'mon, really? "Well these proven and tested methods wouldn't work in the US, it's -way- too different!" but everything besides the menace of gun control do apply just fine? How does that not show that there's at least some kind of problem with its gun culture?

 

[Lanfear]

Btw @Lanfear do mind that Sua lives in Belgium, if you don't know when considering his stance when to answer.

To be honest I'm wholly unfamiliar with Belgian gun laws, but I took it from his post that he lived somewhere with similar requirements for the storage of guns to those that exist where I live, and I am familiar with the reasons for those requirements here.

 

[Crni Vuk]

"Timmy, why are you looking like that? All in camouflage and armor? Going to invade Iraq again?"

"No, I visit the average American high school".

"So that's what the rifle you carry is for!"

"That's for killing all the bullies!"

 

[Buxbaum666]

I know you're joking, but there's evidence of just that.
Israel had a terrorist & school shooter problem, up until they started to allow teachers and janitors to go about their job armed. After that? No real issue remained.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx

Of course, it's horrendously simplistic to imply that such a thing would work in the USA, but it has worked before.

Got another example? Your first one just went up in flames.

 

[Millim]

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America loves Guns more than it loves kids. It's actually kind of hilarious how backward it is.

 

[Hassknecht]

To be fair, guns only make noise when you want them to. Kids often make noise when you don't want them to. And guns can make noise that stops kids from making noise.
So guns > kids.

 

[Risewild]

To be fair, guns only make noise when you want them to. Kids often make noise when you don't want them to. And guns can make noise that stops kids from making noise.
So guns > kids.

Not to mention guns maintenance is cheaper than kids' one.

 

[mithrap]

European (french) here. Where I'm from, plenty of farmers and hunters have the good ol' two barrel hunting rifle somewhere, a few merchants with high risks of robbery (like jewelers) may have the authorization for a handgun in their store, and that's pretty much it.
We can understand the "right to own arms", to defend yourself and your property. That's fine. What we don't understand is why you'd need war weapons like automatic or sniper rifles for that. Regular handguns and revolvers do the self defense job perfectly and they cannot be used for mass shootings (I mean, one could try, but he won't be able to do much damage before he's stopped) You keep them at your home or your business and that's it. If you want to shoot cool automatic weapons, just go to a shooting range and have all the fun you want.
I'm not for banning weapons. A guy wants a gun to protect what he owns, fine, I can totally understand. Let him buy one. War weapons, on the other hand? Nope. No practical use for a regular citizen.

Israel is different, considering the geopolitical context (unlike the US, a ground invasion + occupation is not impossible, for example). Also, most of the population actually went to the army for 2 to 3 years. It's basically like Switzerland, in a way. It prevents invasions for geographically vulnerable countries. I doubt that someone with mental problems (or someone who didn't go to the army) would be allowed to buy a rifle there, there's a reason why they make you pass tests during the military service.

 

[GonZo_626]

Hey look the grave dancers are out again. Kids murdered, ban guns, dance around, blame the NRA. @mutantslayer

@mithrap There has been a mass shooting done by handguns, your "sniper" rifles are the exact same as any other bolt action hunting rifle. Automatic rifles are heavily controlled in the US and at not used in crimes. I think you may mean semi-automatic sport rifles like the AR-15 (which yes was even advertised by Colt in the 1960's and 70's for sale as a sport rifle) which are owned all over the world and those countries don't have the same issues. Canada had legal ownership of AR-15's and good luck finding one instance of it being used in crime in Canada.

Once again blame the tool everyone its fun and easy and never once bring up the under-lying social economic issues that lead to these things actually happening.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Hey look the grave dancers are out again. Kids murdered, ban guns, dance around, blame the NRA. @mutantslayer

MutantScalper is a nut. But when is the right time to talk about it? And why not talk about the NRA, the gun lobby and their influence on politics.

 

[GonZo_626]

But when is the right time to talk about it? And why not talk about the NRA, the gun lobby and their influence on politics.

Talk yes. Mutantscalper does not talk, and understands nothing, a very unreasonable person to talk to about gun control. Essentially what a gun advocate refers to as a grave dancer as they like to dance around on graves to prove their point.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Yeah, fair enough. But we all know that by now. Like I said. He is a nut. Just ignore him.

 

[GonZo_626]

A good vid on my point of view (not my vid).


Hey Crni I watched your Colbert video their and it is a good point in the misunderstanding among the media about firearms and the laws. After his complaining about republicans he brings up suppressors or as he refers to them as "silencers" like they are a bad thing and yet most countries with strict gun control allow there use from a safety perspective.

 

[SuAside]

On the upside, if your home gets burgled, it won't result in 14 more guns making their way into the illegal gun market and arming another 14 criminals.

Sure it will. My safe will be opened in 5 to 15 minutes by any competent burglar.
A safe merely delays.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx

Yes, I'm totally going to take your random politically inspired news article over the fact that I know a teacher near the West Bank.
You'd be surprised how many teachers have concealed carry permits in Israel, they're quite easy to get. No, they generally don't stand around with a UZI in their hands, but that doesn't mean the guns aren't there.

European (french) here. Where I'm from, plenty of farmers and hunters have the good ol' two barrel hunting rifle somewhere, a few merchants with high risks of robbery (like jewelers) may have the authorization for a handgun in their store, and that's pretty much it.

That merely tells me you don't know your own country as well as you think you do.
There's over 30 guns per 100 inhabitants in France, and it's really not only hunting & self-defense weapons.
IPSC, three gun and other practical shooting disciplines are quite popular in your country.

Regular handguns and revolvers do the self defense job perfectly and they cannot be used for mass shootings (I mean, one could try, but he won't be able to do much damage before he's stopped)

Oh, you sweet summer child...
Seung-Hui Cho did far "better" than most rifle armed mass shooters and he was armed with the most basic as fuck 9x19mm duty pistol and a .22LR pistol. It's about understanding its strengths & weaknesses, and applying it correctly.
In close quarters, pistols may even be better because they're easier to protect someone from grabbing them when entering a room or making a turn.