Gun Control

I think in Europe it's pretty rare for average folks to "stop robberies and murders and other crimes" with personal firearms. There may be a need for them at some point like, for police, but it's just not customary here for civilians. And that's good, I'd prefer to live on a continent where gun slinging isn't a regular thing that "everyone should do".

How about giving a list of these incidents SilverStarNoobie, it would clarify the issue. I mean, if the gun is pulled on another person wielding a gun then removing guns from the equation would actually help.
 
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Though I will admit guns have been very useful to my family in the past, my personal answer to the gun control debate is "Fuck off. I like guns."
 
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
The problem with the Gun Control debate is that the "Ban Guns" side think they're the good guys, and if they've believed this for this long, they're probably never going to grow up and realize they're not.

Every year, good men and women with guns stop robberies and murders and other crimes, every year, good people with guns save lives. If you're willing to ignore that fact, you aren't willing to have an honest discussion. You're propagandized, radicalized, and willing to ignore important facts that go against your worldview.

If there were more guns in the pockets of the gay men that were massacred by a lone islamist with a gun in Pulse, a gay club in America, that islamist would have been shot before he killed more than a few people. That's just basic logic. Good people with guns can save you from bad people with guns, or avenge you while saving people the bad people haven't shot yet. Making life harder on non-criminals by banning guns and making them an illegal thing only criminals can get isn't going to save or help anyone. "Stronger" (More tyrannical) gun laws wouldn't have stopped that Muslim from getting an illegal gun from the muslim brotherhood.

And if banning guns prevented crime, we wouldn't see so many fuckloads of rapes, murders, and acid attacks in London. Guns are pretty much already banned over in the shitty liberal/islamized parts of the UK, so Knives are the new scapegoat "Evil weapon of doom", with PSA posters saying things like "If you carry a knife, you're more likely to get stabbed!" without a hint of irony or self-awareness.
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In addition, you kind of have to be blunt when saying things like that. When saying things like "The facts disagree with you" and "Your proposed solutions are faulty", you can't sugarcoat it. Well, you can, but then the liberals don't get the message.

Not that they would anyway, because while some are ok because they aren't cunts about what they believe over reality, the ones that are... hoo boy. They're dishonest babies who want to shit on your bargaining table. They hate you and everything you stand for and care about, and only the comparatively-less-honest ones will bother hiding it. They'll happily proclaim that it's wrong for you to judge Islam based on the yearly fucktons of deaths it directly causes, endorses, and encourages, but it's perfectly fine for them to blame guns, white people, and legal gun owners for the crimes of illegal people. They'll insult you for not subscribing to their postmodernist ideology where facts are old-fashioned things for out-of-touch old fogies and "Respecting wamen and POCs" (but only liberal ones, funnily enough) is all that matters. They'll insult you for not going to a sufficiently liberal college and spending your daddy's money on paying some lunatic Antifa-member "Professor of liberalism" to preach his sermons to you on what beliefs are "Chic" and which are "Passe".

They want to erode away all human rights they disagree with. We see this constantly with this "Gun Contwoll debate", where liberals want a disarmed and willfully ignorant and silenced populace unable to defend itself, and anyone who wants to retain human rights like free speech and gun rights is just an alt-right reactionary(that means thoughtcriminal) neo-nazi racist sexist bigot who also wants a billion more Sandy Hooks. I'm still not sure why they want to live as subjugated ignorant oppressed cattle with no human rights. Maybe it's a sexual thing. I'm also not sure why they want us utterly unable to use guns or even our words to defend ourselves from the government, since they also hate cops, but I guess it'd be stupid to expect rationality from those proud of their irrationality.

But the stupidest thing has to be how after they tell you that you don't deserve nice things like human rights because they blame you for problems they honestly kind of encourage with their importation of violent rapefugees and excessive liberalization of the schooling system and complete inability to do the economy any favors, they'll cry no matter how you word your disagreement. I'm the monster if I tell someone who thinks I'm a Nazi he's wrong and stupid? I just don't think that's fair. If you're nice to them, they mistake that for weakness, and they yell wrong dumb stuff harder, hoping to fool newbies who genuinely haven't been told the facts yet. And if you're mean to them, they start crying oppression and start trying to get you to either take back what you said or trying to get mods/admins/whatever to physically remove you. And I just don't think that's fair. They want you and me and everyone else to subscribe to their definition of fairness, where you're unfair if you hit them with the facts a bit too hard when all they've got are fee-fees and faulty "But this sexologist gender expert with a PHD in feminist literature says" studies, and I don't think that's fair. This debate hasn't gone anywhere good in 20 years because it's not a debate, it's a constant circular argument with a petulant child who'll never admit he's wrong, and that child is named Modern Liberalism.
 
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MutantScalper said:
I think in Europe it's pretty rare for average folks to "stop robberies and murders and other crimes" with personal firearms. There may be a need for them at some point like, for police, but it's just not customary here for civilians. And that's good, I'd prefer to live on a continent where gun slinging isn't a regular thing that "everyone should do".

How about giving a list of these incidents SilverStarNoobie, it would clarify the issue. I mean, if the gun is pulled on another person wielding a gun then removing guns from the equation would actually help.
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In Europe, it's pretty rare for people to own a gun, full stop. Also, you realize you're tipping your hand quite a bit by telling me you like the idea of living in a place where owning a weapon and being able to defend yourself and others isn't something society would ever expect you to do, right?

Giving you a list of times guns have saved lives in Europe won't "Clarify the issue", because the issue is already perfectly clear. If I gave you this list, it would destroy you. That's why I'm glad I don't have to do that.

I don't need to prove Gun Control doesn't work, you need to prove that it does, because "Gun Control" is a Liberal solution to a problem Liberals don't understand. You're the one whose side is making the positive claim that removing guns from innocents will protect them from armed criminals, you're the one who needs to prove no school shooting or shooting of any kind has ever occured in a Gun-Free Zone. Even though you can't do that, because you're wrong.
 
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I think Americans just need to start hugging their fellow Americans more. More hugging = less shooting. Simple equation. It's not gay.

A silly answer to a silly post.
 
MutantScalper said:
I think Americans just need to start hugging their fellow Americans more. More hugging = less shooting. Simple equation. It's not gay.

A silly answer to a silly post.
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That might actually help a lot. This SJW culture where men are afraid to show emotion and affection to women for fear of upsetting SJWs, but are also afraid to show friendship to another man for fear of being seen as gay, even though they're already seen as Undesirables by society unless they're "Good enough" for those higher than them in society, it hurts people. SJWs need to drop the obstructionist bullshit, and the lies, and the propaganda narratives, and the Oppression Olumpics bullshit, and the anti-white bullshit, and the anti-male bullshit. "But I'm the woman!" needs to stop being seen as a good argument for getting a child and child support for life in the divorce courts, divorce courts need to become fairer(They'll be used less frequently once thots stop using them as guaranteed paychecks for life), and society needs to stop viewing love as a quick-burning mindless old-fashioned thing, while also viewing relationships and their continued function as a man's responsibility.

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that men are being blamed for how many men and women aren't getting married and setting themselves up to be fucked over by the SJW-dominated divorce courts? How we call men "Not manly enough" for not being able to attract the attention and adoration of women, while we don't even bat an eye at women who openly despise men for bullshit SJW reasons? SJWs keep calling men priveleged, but then why is the male suicide rate so much higher than the female suicide rate? Why are men systematically fucked over and oppressed at every turn? Why is the war on men still being waged by SJWs today, when there isn't a single human right men have that women don't have, and the feminists are forced to cry about things like imagined sexism and imagined rape statistics (while ignoring the real rape statistics islam gives us because "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and feminism hates the western world more than it hates genuine misogynists) and cartoon butts and big-legged men sitting on short bus seats?

Postmodernism was a mistake. Kids are growing up miserable because they have no hope for the future. Memes are their only respite from the constant postmodernist attacks on our culture because they weren't around for gaming when it wasn't 150-dollar season-pass moneygrubbery, and they weren't around when comics didn't have Trump's face end up on MODOK.

They turned Luke Skywalker into a little bitch, they turned Lando Calrissian into a robosexual, and they're probably going to fuck with Yoda next. Place your bets, everyone. How are these idiots going to kill the past to try and impress the tiny whiny fragment of the young they want to appeal to today?
 
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SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
This SJW culture where men are afraid to show emotion and affection (...) but are also afraid to show friendship to another man for fear of being seen as gay
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I thought right wingers are the guys with opressed feelings and always complaining that 'not beeing' open to all relationships is seen as offensive by SJWs.

You're a very odd and confusing fella.
 
Let's all have a hug.
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If everyone carried guns this would solve everything. One gun per person across the entire world. This will also deal with overpopulation.
 
Just looking at that footage from that Texas school, it seems like a nice school with good facilities. Nice sports facilities nearby etc. and from what I know they have funds, at least some schools. US the "richest nation in the world" etc. Many teachers still underpaid and work is tough. But some US kids are just warped, not sure why that is. And the easy access to guns just makes the situation worse.

On average there's been one school shooting per week in US this year.

Fox News blames.....very violent video games.

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/05/fox-news-host-blames-sate-fe-massacre-kids
 
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Crni Vuk said:
I thought right wingers are the guys with opressed feelings and always complaining that 'not beeing' open to all relationships is seen as offensive by SJWs.

You're a very odd and confusing fella.
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I don't know what source you use, but I want it, it sounds pretty funny.

Right wingers are the people who think being punished by the government for misgendering a woman is dumb. "Open Relationships"... that's that SJW thing where two people act like they're in a relationship but they also fuck others behind each other's back, but they're ok with it because their relationship isn't real, right?

SJWs are the ones who want people to have repressed feelings, for fear of looking like those overemotional feminized weirdos sobbing over in the corner because Kylie Meyoncey or whoever the fuck released a new single and it didn't go triple platinum.

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MutantScalper said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html

More of these. Seems like they happen more often since Trumpy started his reign.
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Bitch, do not make me post the pastebin. You aren't emotionally prepared. If you still misspell Trump out of spite, you aren't ready to see the things he's done for the country and the world. Talking North Korea into giving its nukes up and attending reunification talks with the south was just a drop in the bucket you aren't ready to drink from. https://pastebin.com/YvJ7TYV8 I'll leave it here, but I won't post it here.

Thanks for not spelling it Drumpf or Blumpf, though.
Hassknecht said:
Pupils should have been armed like proper Texans.
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How do I like this post? Because you're right, if the kids had guns, they could pull their guns out and shoot them at the criminals.
Crni Vuk said:
This could have been easily solved if the school was a prison with the students as prisoners.
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Is that a reference to that manga where the guy rants about asses?
 
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Take this as advice and not as attack, but please please please please if you don't want to be see as a retarded moron on this forum, try not to double post. The majority of people that did this here before they dissapeared into the void from where they came from, have shown to be retarded morons.

SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
I don't know what source you use, but I want it, it sounds pretty funny.
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Dunno, why don't you just open youtube and type "How to be an alpha male" in it and see what results you get? I am not saying that all of them are right wingers or even represent the majority of them, but it's rather common in arguments that 'leftist' are described as cucks, fags, beta males, snowflakes etc. where as right wingers and particularly extreme right wingers place a huge emphasis on manlyness, masculinity, apearing tough and 'never getting offended over feelinz and facts' and so on.
 
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
In addition, you kind of have to be blunt when saying things like that. When saying things like "The facts disagree with you" and "Your proposed solutions are faulty", you can't sugarcoat it. Well, you can, but then the liberals don't get the message.
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You keep saying "The Facts Disagree with you" but never actually post any facts.

To quote an earlier post of mine on this thread:
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I suggest you look at the actual homicide statistics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
This is all homicides in a country. This includes Guns, Knives, Trucks, whatever
(Note, the chart on this page isn't in order of rates for some weird reason. Click on "Rate" if you want it organised by homicide rate)

Almost all of the countries below 1 homicide per 100,000 have strict gun control laws. Seriously, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation, the vast, vast majority of countries with 1 homicide per 100,000 have fairly strict gun laws.

Countries that have to follow the European Union's regulations on guns, never go above 2 per 100,000.

The US on the other hand, with it's incredibly lenient gun laws sits at 4.88 per 100,000(Only 2 places behind Somalia)
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SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
And if banning guns prevented crime, we wouldn't see so many fuckloads of rapes, murders, and acid attacks in London. Guns are pretty much already banned over in the shitty liberal/islamized parts of the UK, so Knives are the new scapegoat "Evil weapon of doom", with PSA posters saying things like "If you carry a knife, you're more likely to get stabbed!" without a hint of irony or self-awareness.
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Guns aren't banned in the UK.

If you have a genuine reason to own a gun in the UK, you can own one. Many farmers and hunters own guns. It's not that rare to see them in more rural parts of the country.

Also, this whole "See, if we ban guns people will just use knives for murder" is a totally fallacious argument. It ignores that the actual amount of homicides you can commit with weapons.

You can kill far more people with a gun than you can with a knife due to their range and lethalness.

No matter how bad knife crime gets in the UK, I doubt it's homicide rates will ever be as high as the US, which is only a few places below Somalia in terms of homicide.
SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 said:
SJWs are the ones who want people to have repressed feelings, for fear of looking like those overemotional feminized weirdos sobbing over in the corner because Kylie Meyoncey or whoever the fuck released a new single and it didn't go triple platinum.
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Got a single reason for believing actual people on the left are like this, other than nonsense stereotyping?
 
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