Guns and what has been wrong with them

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Okay this is something ive noticed since the begining of Fallout. No M-16 but a AK-112, No Colt 4.5 but a Desert Eagle, A Minigun but no 30mm, There is a Mauser but no Luger which was the Diffinative Weapon of Semi-Automatics(Both were used by Germany too). No Pump Shotguns!! What's up with that but you have the old double barreled ones(Combat Shotgun is Different because it is automatic), No Uzi's but the Grease Gun and Thompson Sub-Machine Gun was there. No SAW (Squad-Assualt-Weapon) A new M-60 basically but use's M-16 rounds. Well if there is anything else you wanna know that needs to be changed or modified e-mail me bum690@hotmail.com.

Sincerely, Sean "Minigun" Tomoc
 
Beside's All that i said already

There are not that many american made weapon in these game AK-112 is russian, the Mp9 is German, the Mauser is German, and the Desert Eagle is Israeli. I mean there is many well known weapons in this game like M-16, the 1911 (Colt 4.5), The BAR isn't even a choice! (Browning Automatic Rifle). We need so more American Based Weapons. Even the H&K weapons in F2 are German Based Weapons. We are in a wasteland that used to be United States of America.

Sean "Minigun" Tomoc
 
RE: Beside's All that i said already

I agree, although, it's Colt .45 not 4.5. Simple mistake, and I'll let it slide. This time. Lol! Anyway, I like the idea of having a SAW. I'm a pretty good shot with an M-16A2, and also with a SAW (even though, it wasn't zero'd for me) What about having Rifled slugs for you shotguns? Or maybe, different gauges? I'd like to see a .50 cal sniper rifle, like some snipers in the Army use. (I'd like to see any type of of armor stand up to a .50 cal round. They can shoot clean through engine blocks you know!) Yeah, the MP-9 was just a modified version of the MP-5, the MP-9 never even existed, but that's o.k. I do think that there should be non-u.s. weapons in the game, just cause they do exist in this country. Hell, the Berreta 9mm that the Army uses is an Italian weapon. Maybe, an M-16A2 with a M-203 grenade launcher slung underneath the barrel. (Pretty good shot with that too) Maybe the option to mount the M-2 .50 cal machine gun on your vehicle? In random encounters, you or an NPC could stay behind, man the .50 cal, and provide fire support. That would be great.
 
RE: Beside's All that i said already

Oh, and before I forget, SAW stand for Squad Automatic Weapon, not Assault, all though that could work.
 
RE: Beside's All that i said already

ya i know that the Mp9 doesn't exist and i know that the Mp5 is its grandaddy in the game. The 4.5 was a typo and i forgot what the middle word was for the SAW. The berretta is a good idea though i didnt think about that one. Another good idea is the M-79 Grenade Launcher or M203 M-16 Modification.
 
RE: Beside's All that i said already

M-16 is a good choise to be the new assoult rifle, the Usi is the most common terorist weapond, it's light and have a strong fire-power.
my fav. pistol is the 22-Glock, strong fire-power and 22 bullets in magezine (also go in a 17-Glock ver.).
the PJackhammer (that im not sure even egsists) is a good gun, but it's not "wastelandish" enough for the game atmosphire (unlike the Hunting Rifle that have that rope on him), the game need pump shotgun (shotguns r my favorite) but the duble-berral and swed-off r adding to the game.

the FN FAL isn't helping the game at all, it looks like an upgraded Assoult Rifle but M16 could be much better.
The gun that the San-Fran police use (isn't real, as far as i know) is unneeded too.

and that's all without mentioning the eng. weaponds.

i would like u both up there to reply this, u seem to know ur way around guns.

thank you
 
More Gun Idea's

One gun that would be nostalgic weapon is the Winchester Repeating Rifle used in the wild west it would be a most perfect wastlandish weapon

Sean "Mingun" Tomoc
 
I just got a great idea!!

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-00 AT 04:17AM (GMT)[p]Wastelandish Weapons is something that they should be trying get more of in the game Pump-Shotguns is a biggie, The Peacemaker maybe, and the Winchester Repeating Rifle is a great one. Post other ideas on wastelandish weapons and other good weapons. Hey i just got a great idea come look at my Body Parts.

Sean "Minigun" Tomoc
 
RE: I just got a great idea!!

Well ChRoNiC, I have to say, that the Glock-22 is a .45 cal weapon, and it would be impossible to hold 22 rounds in a clip. (Hell, the M-16 only holds 20-30 rounds, depending on which magazine you use, and it's only a .223 cal weapon, and even so, those magazines are heavy as hell! .45 rounds weigh even more!) But, you do have some grand ideas though. I would like to see more "black market" weapons in the game. After all, California is the black market capitol of the country. About the Uzi, it's inaccurate as hell, and would be near usless, unless you put it on full burst in a hallway. Besides, it eats ammunition like you wouldn't belive! I'd like to see a "Wasteland" difference. (meaning the original game that Fallout is based off of) In that game, you could fire full auto, burst, and single. The M-16 on burst only shoots 3 rounds, and that's only on the A2 variant. The A1 fired full auto. I'd like to see a Binelli tac-12 gau. in the game, but that'd be kinda too easy to win with. For sniper rifles, I think that the SIG-GSR-90 would be really great. I fired one once, (.306) and it about knocked me on my rear. It's a great gun, really accurate, and ultra powerful. For a wastelandish feel for weapons, I'd like to see more revolvers, and weapons that aren't as likeley to jam up in all that sand. The M-16 is nutorious for jamming up with a grain of sand, although when I was in the Army, mine never did. I saw a lot of people's weapons jam up, and one persons even exploded! It was scary. But, hey what are you gonna do? Well, any more Idea's are welcome. We're talking about one of my favorite subjects here!
 
"Breakthrough Idea"

ok what about Mack 10 (Illegally Adjusted) So it has a burst and auto capability. The auto ability would be cool but i don't see it's possiblity in a turn based game like this. To easy to win that way. The real like state that i think should be implemented is there should be sections of thing you should be good at like a Armament Section Where you would still have all the basics like How Well you can hold Small Arms , Big Guns, etc. But there should be stuff like how well you can keep your stuff clean, how well you can shoot certain guns, how fast can you reload (if you can get good you can reload in 1 AP and maybe if you get really good it will reload it self (like when your out you automatically reload without "thinking" or using AP's). This should go with other area's too like how you pack faster inv. checks during combat, better packing allowing you to hold more. Or instead of this you could have an ex. equipment slot next to armor. This allows you to buy Back Pack or Bag's(To Allow you to carry more), Ammo Belt's(Allowing you to Reload Faster), Gun Holster's(Allowing you to pick different guns in inv. faster [ONLY GUNS]), Pouch Belt's (Allowing you to access certain equip in it faster than normal inv. during combat). Farther in the game your be able to get upgrades like Pouch/Ammo Belt, or Multiple Gun Holster. This is something that must be incorparated into the game.

Sean "Minigun" Tomoc
 
new gun

i liked the Back-Pack idea, but some things said are in the Perk list.

anyway, Alfa wanted a new gun, a one who can shoot underwater, in sand or other bad envirments. i think i have the one for you, it's an old gun, Israeli, and currently used by Arabian terrorists and most of Arabian citizens (used for shooting in the air in times of party),
i mean the Kalachnicov, and i dont know any further info about it.

About the Glock-22, it is a real gun, i found it in a pistols book and it does have the 22 bullets
in a magezine (or 17 in the Glock-17 pistol) capability. chek it out!
 
RE: new gun

ya i know it is in the perk list i was thinking of a different setting then the perk list system but i dont like that idea as much as the Ex. Equipment Slot idea. That idea is something that i want in the game more than anything else. The Glock Would be a Great Wastelandish Gun It can shoot in water, mud , and sand. That is the main reason they built it's cheap, sturdy, and reliable.
 
RE: new gun

What book you been looking in ChRoNic? I've shot a glock-17, and it only holds 9 in the clip, and 1 in the chamber. In order for a pistol to hold 22 rounds, the clip would have to extend beyond the bottom of the gun so far that it would unbalance the gun too much. I have an article on that gun in "Combat Handguns" magazine. I don't remember which month, but it carries 9 in the clip 1 in the chamber. Just like any other .45, but it does fire the .45 ACP ammo, which is extreamly powerful }> It would be a good weapon for the game though!How about a WW2 M-1 Garand? That would rock!
 
RE: new guns

i don't know any WW2 guns, but i guess there too old for the game anyway.
did u chek out on the Klachnicov?
there's something i want to show u:
http://www.scs.wsu.edu/~pbourque/sniper.htm
and then tell me wich of those u like.
send me some Assoult rifles URLs and some about WW2 weaponds.
 
RE: new guns

What are you talking about they all ready put the Thompson Sub-Machine Gun and The Grease Gun they are both WW2 weapons. The Mauser is a WW1 weapon.

Sean "Minigun" Tomoc
 
Kalashnikov

>did u chek out on the
>Klachnicov?

There's not just one kind of Kalashnikov, because Kalashnikov is the name of a russian gun manufacturer. However the most wellknown Kalashnikov is the AK-47 which was used by the VC in the Vietnam war. Here's a picture of one: http://akworld.hypermart.net/0501.gif

By the way, did you know there already is an AK-47 mod for FO2? I don't know the url, but you could ask on the mods board.
 
RE: new guns

Sorry dude, I don't know how to put in a shortcut, but if I find any, I'll put em down for ya!
 
RE: Kalashnikov

God, I hate the AK-47. I shot one in basic, and it sucked so bad, I almost made love to my m-16 when I got back to it! Seriously though, I just don't personaly care for the ak 47, but it would be a nice addition to the game!
 
RE:klachnikov

shadowman's pic is the thing i had in mind.
as i said before, this gun is common, lots envirmantal capabilities but it should be jinxed or some thing like the m-60 in the game.

about WW weaponds, i didn't know those were from any WW, exept the mauser (btw - is he realy that accurate?)

plz give ur thoughts about sniper rifles that shoud be in fo (from the link i gave before)

did u ever saw "for a fist full of dollars" ?
in this old western there's a guy with a sack full of shotguns and rifles and snpers.
wstern weaponds are old, but they add to the wastelandish feeling.

and dont remember to give me some URLs

btw - do u guys have ICQ?
 
RE: Kalashnikov

>God, I hate the AK-47. I
>shot one in basic, and
>it sucked so bad, I
>almost made love to my
>m-16 when I got back
>to it!

I really could've done without that mental image ;-)
 
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