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So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Watch out for that short-sighted reasoning. Its a real doozy.
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So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Watch out for that short-sighted reasoning. Its a real doozy.
bob_the_rambler
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
How about a couple of years back two robbers robbed a bank(you even made mention of this), they where armed with AK's and they held off the cops in an hour long shoot out in witch (if i remember correctly) two officers died and several more ended up in critical condition. one of these men ended up killing themselfs after using the hundreds of rounds he had for his ak. How often do you make, or know some one that has made a "AK" from their own tool bench? I have some experence gunsmithing (i did an apprentenceship one summer) and i know that it would take a lot more that just a "competent" knowledge in order to machiene the many small complex parts that are required.
welsh
Junkmaster
I am really curious about how all these illegal guns get into the illegal market in the first place.
Are they imported illegally from foreign countries?
Do those Chinese made AK-47s get stolen off ships before they can be changed from automatic to semi-automatic?
Are gun shops so frequently robbed?
Are our military bases so subject to theft of military hardware?
Or is it simply that a gun becomes illegal when it's used for an illegal purpose. Most guns might be bought legally and then used for illegal reasons.
This discussion of a legal market and an illegal market seems a bit more shady and grey than you guys seem to suggest.
Anyway, as to the gun retailers, so what you guys are saying is that -
If you are a neo-nazi- go to the white supremist gun dealer.
If you are member of the Jewish Defense Organization, go to a Zionist dedicated gun store?
If you are a Klans man in the SOuth, well any good ole boy will do?
If you are black only buy from a brother who might just happen to be a member of the Black Panthers?
If every ethnic group has its own source for guns, is that whole "gun owners decide who they sell to" that much of a protective device.
Now add that to this.
Gun dealer- "Let's see, I can sell this Bennelli street sweeper to this obvious gang-banger and allow for a more heavily armed gang culture in my city. Or I can overcome my racial bias, sell this obviously upstanding African American sporting gang colors, and thereby pay for my Daughters new braces.... "
Yeah, let's trust in gun owners self regulating themselves and choosing morality over profit. (Ironically, that idea makes me more willing to buy a gun).
Murdoch- having the feds decides who gets guns would just ruin the fun of it.
Are they imported illegally from foreign countries?
Do those Chinese made AK-47s get stolen off ships before they can be changed from automatic to semi-automatic?
Are gun shops so frequently robbed?
Are our military bases so subject to theft of military hardware?
Or is it simply that a gun becomes illegal when it's used for an illegal purpose. Most guns might be bought legally and then used for illegal reasons.
This discussion of a legal market and an illegal market seems a bit more shady and grey than you guys seem to suggest.
Anyway, as to the gun retailers, so what you guys are saying is that -
If you are a neo-nazi- go to the white supremist gun dealer.
If you are member of the Jewish Defense Organization, go to a Zionist dedicated gun store?
If you are a Klans man in the SOuth, well any good ole boy will do?
If you are black only buy from a brother who might just happen to be a member of the Black Panthers?
If every ethnic group has its own source for guns, is that whole "gun owners decide who they sell to" that much of a protective device.
Now add that to this.
Gun dealer- "Let's see, I can sell this Bennelli street sweeper to this obvious gang-banger and allow for a more heavily armed gang culture in my city. Or I can overcome my racial bias, sell this obviously upstanding African American sporting gang colors, and thereby pay for my Daughters new braces.... "
Yeah, let's trust in gun owners self regulating themselves and choosing morality over profit. (Ironically, that idea makes me more willing to buy a gun).
Murdoch- having the feds decides who gets guns would just ruin the fun of it.
bob_the_rambler said:
A very rare incident, as anyone will tell you, for criminals to engage in all-out war with the police. And it's more like 8 years ago.
Eh. Just buy a parts kit. It has (almost) everything but the receiver, which is the regulated part, and the one where ATF concentrates their attention on the most. Take the blank 1.5mm steel sheet, fold, dimple, drill holes where necessary, heat-treat the rivet holes, install the trunion, bolt rails, and center support pin with the rivet tool (some people fashion them out of the bolt cutters), and you have your "firearm". The rest is fairly trivial and untraceable (as far as the law says, at least); AK part kits are still being imported from Eastern Europe because the trade restrictions don't apply to spare parts.
bob_the_rambler
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Well Welsh a lot of the illegal guns are bought and then resold under the "table". However a few make it into the country from across our borders with Canada and Mexico, by illegal gun smugglers.
As to your "where to go" list welsh i find it very funny but partly true......if you are a gang banger you head towards the corner guy that will sell you a "9" from anywhere around 150$ to 400$. If your a white power queer muncher, you head on down to the local dealer that has all white employees. so on and so forth.......there is a guy down on my street that has a van full of guns that he is selling (every saturday) but he is a little over priced so he doesn't get a lotta business.
::To Real Eagle:: your right with a parts kit you are able to assemble an AK-47, however it is much easier to just buy one than spend all that time making one. Also i used the "all out war" example to prove my point that the AK is not just the junk rifle that you make it out to be cheap to make sure but not a duddie bear either.
I am pro gun, if you would have been here for a while you would know that, I don't want to see guns disappear from the hands of good people on the same hand we should discus and maybe some day come to terms on policy that will hamper criminals from purchasing firearms. We need to address our failing public schools, secure our leaky borders, prevent people on the terror watch list from legally purchasing firearms, and then work on the illegal purchasing of firearms by criminals and terroristss. then maybe some of the crimes committed with guns will cease, there will never be an end to violent crimes as human nature is fallible.[/quote]
As to your "where to go" list welsh i find it very funny but partly true......if you are a gang banger you head towards the corner guy that will sell you a "9" from anywhere around 150$ to 400$. If your a white power queer muncher, you head on down to the local dealer that has all white employees. so on and so forth.......there is a guy down on my street that has a van full of guns that he is selling (every saturday) but he is a little over priced so he doesn't get a lotta business.
::To Real Eagle:: your right with a parts kit you are able to assemble an AK-47, however it is much easier to just buy one than spend all that time making one. Also i used the "all out war" example to prove my point that the AK is not just the junk rifle that you make it out to be cheap to make sure but not a duddie bear either.
I am pro gun, if you would have been here for a while you would know that, I don't want to see guns disappear from the hands of good people on the same hand we should discus and maybe some day come to terms on policy that will hamper criminals from purchasing firearms. We need to address our failing public schools, secure our leaky borders, prevent people on the terror watch list from legally purchasing firearms, and then work on the illegal purchasing of firearms by criminals and terroristss. then maybe some of the crimes committed with guns will cease, there will never be an end to violent crimes as human nature is fallible.[/quote]