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So I got this little thing as my namesday gift:

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I'm wondering if this is a genuine pin from the 40's. I'm positive there was a great support drummed up for the Soviets in USA after Germany invaded the USSR in mid-1941 (about $11 billion in war material was sent to the Soviet Union) , and that the Americans were in the habit of wearing pins to express their patriotic support (like the Remember Pearl Harbor pin), but I've never seen one.

So, what are your thoughts on the subject (Both of the pin and the Soviet-Yankee alliance :) ? Americans? Other parties of interest?
 
First thing I would do in your place is have the pin checked for bugs and anthrax bacteria. If none are found, you can safely wear it to a Republican convention.
 
Unfortunately, there are no Republican conventions in Poland. There's a Republican League, but to show up on their convention with Soviet insignia of any kind would be tantamount to a suicide.
 
Silencer said:
So, what are your thoughts on the subject (Both of the pin and the Soviet-Yankee alliance :) ? Americans? Other parties of interest?
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Meh, allthough the USA did give material support, they didn't *really* like the SU. The appeasement polici had already been focused on 'driving the Nazi's to the east', in the hope Fascism and communism would destroy eachother...
That said, it could be that the average US citizen indeed felt 'friendship' towards the SU, I dunno. It's an interesting pin nontheless...

Me = Slightly jealous
 
Err... you can get a pin like that at a number of United States embassies (that's only my experience, I'm sure there are plenty of other places you could find them), with the local country's flag crossing the American flag.

I would wager you could get a pin like that in the US embassy in Moscow right until the fall of the Soviet Union.

I have a small collection of pins like that from various embassies I have visited.
 
Heh. Even the US-Iranian one? :P I found a US-Swiss one while researching the web... So I think it may very well be a standard practice.

Still, if it's from the Soviet Union, it can't be newer then some 15 years, so it's still a nice collectible (unless it's a fake)

And thanks for the info :)
 
Jebus said:
Meh, allthough the USA did give material support, they didn't *really* like the SU. The appeasement polici had already been focused on 'driving the Nazi's to the east', in the hope Fascism and communism would destroy eachother...
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I have to disagree ;)

I'm studying politics and modern history and my subject this year in history was about the "Hitler-Stalin"-pact of 1939. The appeasement policy tried to give the Nazis what they wanted, hoping that sometime they would be "saturated". After the quite hard contract of Versailles even a lot of Western politicians said that Versailles was quite hard for Germany and so they supported the appeasement policy quite a while. This appeasement policy led to the Hitler-Stalin-pact because the SU recognized that the western democracies won't backup the SU and so they tried to gain time to build up their industry and military.

So AFAIK the appeasement policy was not meant to led into the war but it made WWII possible because it was a major reason for the SU to sign the Hitler-Stalin-pact
 
Actually, many Western nations had a large population that sympathized with the Soviets because of their communist ideals. Particularly in Britain.

It is, after all, why Orwell wrote Animal Farm.
 
Bradylama said:
Actually, many Western nations had a large population that sympathized with the Soviets because of their communist ideals. Particularly in Britain.

It is, after all, why Orwell wrote Animal Farm.
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Yah, nations that didn't have insane Republicans hunting down commies had big rises of communism that then simmered down and became Socialist Democrats. Heck, no harm no foul.
 
That pin is a true collectible. It showcases how quickly and vastly opinions can change in the political atmosphere of the world.

I mean at heart it feels wrong looking at it though I knew at the time it made sense. Kinda sad.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
mvBarracuda said:
I have to disagree ;)
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Bad idea.

The Western powers gave Hitler what he wanted -at first, but they weren't stupid. After a while, and especially during the München crisis, they knew very damn well Hitler was going to wage war in the end no matter what.
After a while, the only reason why the Western powers appeased Hitler is because they couldn't afford to declare war - just yet. After Hitler had remilitarised the Western Rhine area, the German war machine was simply to powerfull for the French and Britisch to attack. Daladier and Chamberlain both knew it'd be suicide to declare war on Hitler just then.
And most likely, the Münich crisis was a concious attempt by Hitler to isolate Russia from the west. Stalin, as paranoid as he was, also realised what was going on. Moreover, he was basically quite insulted by the fact that the British prime minister had flown over three times to personally deal with Hitler while he only sent lesser officials to negotiate an alliance with the Soviet Union, after Hitler had annexed Bohemia-Moravia. Stalin basically signed the Devil's Pact because he knew what the Western powers were up to.
 
I'd probably wear a pin like that all the time if I had such a pin and ever went to the US. But that's one of the reasons I'm not going to the US.
There's enough reasons the airport police would shoot me on sight already.
 
Just fly in to Newark Airport.

When I went to FL a few weeks ago, the only thing I had to do was put my bag and shoes in a tub that went through an Xray.

When I was leaving from FL, they patted me down and everything. Newark is too lax.
 
I've never even had to take my shoes off (and I do fly frequently). Never had any trouble at all, though I am the type that makes sure I know what they expect and prepare for it.

The worst personal search I've experienced was at Heathrow airport in England.
 
Never had any problems what so ever with getting through airport security, I don't know what people are complaining about. Sure, it is kind of silly in a way, since if I you want to bring aboard what could function as a lethal weapon you could do it easily. Or why not refrain from smuggling the weapon aboard yourself; just ask if you can visit the cockpit. Once there, snatch the fire axe and chop down the pilots.
 
I'm more worried about the airport security upon arrival in the US.

They're not exactly known to be uncomplicated when dealing with foreigners atm anyway and with my warped sense of humor I can already imagine the headlines and inscription of my grave stone.

Eh. Better if I don't ever go to the USA as long as it's the way it is.

Maybe after the next world war. I always wanted to know what the ruins of the Statue of Liberty would look like in persona.
 
Ashmo said:
Maybe after the next world war. I always wanted to know what the ruins of the Statue of Liberty would look like in persona.
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Or, you could just travel to an alternate reality where Germany had won the war and they're free to go into USA and make all sorts of remarks they want to, because it's now their general-governance :lol:

The downside is that you probably wouldn't see the ruins of the Statue of Liberty, only the Statue wiping the bottom of an even greater Adolf statue.
 
Ashmo said:
I'm more worried about the airport security upon arrival in the US.
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I have heard that getting into the U.S. is hell these days. I've been to NYC twice, but both times before 911, and then I got in without friction.
 
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