How many ghouls/super mutants do you guys estimate there are?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by ElloinmorninJ, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. ElloinmorninJ

    ElloinmorninJ Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jun 25, 2019
    There’s plenty of ghouls where you never find out their origin. Maybe some half-assed bunker in Nevada had an incident similar to necropolis where radiation seeped in- Or maybe ghoulification is the result of long term radiation exposure while underground
     
  2. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Mojave Express Employee of the Month

    Mar 16, 2013
    Which, as I've already mentioned was the premise to the Reservation in Van Buren. The Great War turned Los Alamos into a Necropolis like situation. There's no reason that the Ghouls couldn't have been created elsewhere other than Necropolis.
     
  3. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Half-way Through My Half-life

    Nov 26, 2007
    Actually Typhon is Set's son, and he was a child when he became a ghoul. The conversation (at that point) was Typhon elaborating on the strange name of the house that he lives in, "The Old Ghoul's Home". He explains that it's kind of a ghoul joke, because there are only old ghouls. Now that means that means that they all come from a singular event, because any new ghouls are not old. Typhon remembers his childhood; old ghouls were around before the war... before they were ghouls.

    When Fallout was made, no sequel was planned; later they were told that they would be making a sequel. The developers began designs for Fallout 2. Tim Cain and a few others left Interplay to form Troika, at around the time the Highwayman car was first working in the new game; they had worked on the initial game, but new people were added to the team after they left.

    I think that Ghouls---like the Brotherhood of Steel, became seen as important to Fallout in the wake if the game's success, and the dev's sudden need to make more 'Fallout sauce'. Remember, the BOS were just this xenophobic paramilitary cult in the original; one could play the game from beginning to end without noticing them. They hardly exist in Fallout 2.

    I think they were both one-shot curiosities that later became more associated with the core series. Kind of like Boba-Fett, Fonzie, and Barnabas Collins...
     
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  4. Slaughter Manslaught

    Slaughter Manslaught Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 11, 2006
    Ghouls and Super Mutants are kinda like Elves: There's always a few of them and they are dwindling, but there's always enough of them.

    I suspect there's a few thousand Super Mutants. The Master's OGs probably numbered in the low thousands, say 1000-5000. With Second Gens from Mariposa, there's probably some more.

    If you add the East Coast strains (D.C, Huntsville, Commonwealth), I doubt there's more than 7000 Super Mutants altogether. Especially because these creatures seem to be total morons. I suspect there's more brainy East Coast muties than we see in the games (folks like Uncle Leo, Fawkes, etc), but they just leave elsewhere, in order not to be associated with their hurrdurr friends. Huntsville strain is probably long gone, the DC strain was probably hunted down and chased off between Fallout 3 and 4 and the Commonwealth strain is doomed too. Goodbye and good riddance.

    There's probably more Super Mutants out there from FEV Quarantine Towns, but I suspect they are insignificant compared to the Mariposa strain.

    As for Ghouls... now that we know Ghouls are not a Necropolis one-off, I suspect there's a few million ghouls worldwide, but they are pretty scattered and their numbers far smaller than that of humans. In the post-war US, probably a few dozen or hundred thousands.
     
  5. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Half-way Through My Half-life

    Nov 26, 2007
    How do we know that?
     
  6. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Mojave Express Employee of the Month

    Mar 16, 2013
     
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  7. Slaughter Manslaught

    Slaughter Manslaught Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 11, 2006
    Because we have seen Ghouls everywhere and we have seen people become ghouls. They can't all possibly be Bakersfield survivors.
     
  8. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Half-way Through My Half-life

    Nov 26, 2007
    Bethesda defaced lore doesn't count; Bethesda anything doesn't count. ;)

    (Actually I'd say that Van Buren doesn't count either.)
     
  9. ElloinmorninJ

    ElloinmorninJ Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jun 25, 2019
    Raul is a ghoul and he’s from Mexico ‍♂️
     
  10. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Mojave Express Employee of the Month

    Mar 16, 2013
    Gizmo barely considers 2 to be canon, I wouldn't bother