I got my 15 seconds of fame

[Ratty Sr.]

1. North-America (1492 - ...): 15.000.000
2. Holocaust in Europe (1933-1945); 6.000.000
3. Former Yugoslavia (1991-1999): 800.000
4. Armenia (1915-1918): 1.400.000
5. Pakistan (1971): 1.500.000
6. Manchuria (1930): 200.000
7. South-America (1492-...): 14.000.000
8. Uganda (1971-1979): 300.000
9.Rwanda (1994): 1.000.000
10. South-Africa (1902): 30.000
11. Iraq (1980-1988): 100.000
12. Cambodia (1975): 2.000.000
13. Australia (1824): 10.000

CCR, you are a liar and you are full of shit. First of all, the number of 800,000 people killed in wars that followed the fall of Yugoslavia is so overinflated that even the most tendentious right-wing dipshit would think twice before pulling it out of his ass as an argument in a discussion. The actual number is unknown, but closer to 300,000. All of your numbers are overinflated (in Rwanda casualties were closer to 800,000, in Cambodia they were more like 1,7 million etc.), but none as ridiculously as the one for Yugoslavia.

Additionally, there's no way to tell how many people were slaughtered in North America after 1492, which means you basically pulled the figure out of your ass (you know, that place where you find all your arguments). Next time you decide to participate in a discussion, try not to use blatant lies.

I'm not even going to bother commenting that nonsense about communist sympathizers causing the war to last longer. Not even Joe McCarthy would blurt out such bullshit. And I really wish you'd stop referring to communists like we 're an embodiement of all evil, because it's ignorant and insulting.

Exactly why the movie is dangerous and stupid.

Someone here is dangerous (well, not really) and stupid alright, and it ain't the movie.

 

[John Uskglass]

Ratty, my point was that this is the list this Belgian Defense minister is also spreading. I realize how many flaws there are in that, and how blatantly anti-American he is, and how moronic.

Jebus, in his wisdom, decided that this man is not as bad as the American news media says he was. I pointed out that that was not the first moronically anti American thing he has been involved in, and that he has also commited fraud and is a famous practitioner of nepotism.

 

[Ratty Sr.]

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Tee-hee, this must have been the most awesome misunderstanding in the newer history of NMA. I apologize for inadvertingly flaming your ass.

Now, where's this Belgian minister of defense and misinformation? I want his balls on the platter. This contrived list really makes my blood boil and I'm pissed that it even exists.

 

[Tayl]

It's not really an excuse. It's mostly the fault of a bunch of American politicians and big wigs in the White House.

What I'm saying is that the war protests did'nt help, and very likely prolonged it.

So instead of protesting a war they don't support, people are just supposed to...let it continue without voicing their opinions?

Yeah, I suppose that would definitely have made Vietnam last a shorter amount of time. If everyone supported it, there was no way it would have gone on.

 

[rikus]

I'm amazingly pissed off right now.

.

Exactly why the movie is dangerous and stupid. It makes peopel angry, it does'nt change opinions. Moore is trying to make Iraq another Vietnam, which it won't be.

It already is.

Oh, and I was pissed off before I saw the film. I've been pissed off ever since November 2000.

mal, i'm not even from US even though u support, don't you think it was a good idea to destroy one of the biggest supporters of terror in the world? so suppose it was an excuse, better that US has the oil than them terrorists.

anyway don't want to make a political flame war here, just saying my opnion

 

[NgInE]

i don't believe that Kerry will make much of a difference. hell, him and Bush sure as hell are pretty friendly, since they're both in the same Skull and Bones organisation (they at least now eachtother). for people who've seen Fahrenheit and want more, go and see:"9/11 The Road To Tirrany" by Alex Jones (the guy is kindoff...loud...but he does make some very harsh statements, which he acctually gives proof of) , downloadable at www.prisonplanet.com or via any ptp program (it's legal, as long as you don't make money out of it)

 

[John Uskglass]

It's not really an excuse. It's mostly the fault of a bunch of American politicians and big wigs in the White House.

What I'm saying is that the war protests did'nt help, and very likely prolonged it.

So instead of protesting a war they don't support, people are just supposed to...let it continue without voicing their opinions?

Yeah, I suppose that would definitely have made Vietnam last a shorter amount of time. If everyone supported it, there was no way it would have gone on.

That was'nt my point. They waged war on America. It would have been infanitely more effective if they had voiced thier opions through non violent and respectful methods ala MLK. Instead they thought killing police officers and talking about the genocide in Cambodia being a pig plot (like Mr. Vidal).

 

[Ancient Oldie]

Ha, we wouldn't be lamenting Vietnam so much if it had been won by the US; even with the conspiracy theories, student death's, hippies, and all the other events that went with it. The biggest sin that occured in that war wasn't that we shouldn't have been there in the first place, or that it wasn't popular, but that we never made a true effort to be outright victorious. Napolean put it best when he said that history is but a fable that is agreed upon.

Comparing Iraq with Vietnam is pure BS. The differences far outweigh the similarities. No one was drafted, Hussein wasn't Ho Chi Minh, overwhelming force was used to crush the primary opposition, etc.. Only similarities is the role of media and the way it's being utilized by all parties.

As for Kerry, Ngine pretty much hit it on the head; there really won't be any changes except for the gay marriage non-issue and a couple of fiscal policy changes. I'm surprised people haven't seen through the volcano and found the mouse yet. It's an Illuminati conspiracy, lets all laugh.

Really, what can be done about Iraq now. Leave. No thanks. I'm tired of the Afghan vitriol that is constantly spewing out of the mouths of war protesters. Stay and garner intenational support to make Iraq free. It's already happening. What can Kerry do for Iraq: nothing better than what Bush can do for Iraq.

Moore is an unethical, attention-whoring propagandist; and he's making good money at it. His emotional and consequential appeals are lacking in substance, and his persona is lacking in taste. At least celebrities can be forgiven for their ignorance. We all want to fuck them. Need I state the obvious that makes Moore unforgivable? Granted, some may agree with his deluded point of view, but can't the same case be made for most armed conflicts, regardless of race, nationality, religion, or political allegiance? I read about his recent squabble with Pete Townshend over not letting him use "Won't Get Fooled Again" in his latest film fim. The irony.

Let's look at the end product. Is the world better off with Iraq the way it was before, or the way it is now? How high have the costs been. I sometimes think of Dresden's firebombing, and how things have changed from then. We actually care where the bombs land now, and the life of an individual soldier matters. It at least makes a good story.

 

[rikus]

for anyone who hasn't read- "the fountainhead" by anne ryne.

it clearly shows the amount of bullshit people can swallow happily without knowing it is, just because its popular.

 

[Jebus]

this is the list this Belgian Defense minister is also spreading.

Link or STFU

not the first moronically anti American thing he has been involved in,

Link or STFU

and that he has also commited fraud and is a famous practitioner of nepotism.

Link or STFU

anti-American he is,

1. How's that? (--> since 1492: European colonists)

2. Link or STFU

3. Everybody in Belgium is an anti-American, dipshit. And that's because the USA is populated by turds like you.

 

[John Uskglass]

Link or STFU

http://agitprop.org.au/nowar/20040409_reuters_biggest_genocide.php

Moron

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1188762,00.html

1. How's that? (--> since 1492: European colonists)

Well,
1) IT shows people that died of disease
2) It does'nt show Stalin
3) It does'nt show Mao
4) It only counts the dead Jews for the holocaust
5) It does'nt show you guys killing 1/3 of the total population of the Congo

3. Everybody in Belgium is an anti-American, dipshit. And that's because the USA is populated by turds like you.

As opposed to enlightened Turds like you're Minister of Defence.

We've lost lives to save you're nation, I don't think calling all of us "turds" or calling all Belgians "anti-american" (which is'nt true at all) is appropriate.

 

[John Uskglass]

Link or STFU

Obvious lie of a totally insane mind
http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/al/Qbelgium-us-nato-offbeat.R1xf_DO3.html

Doing a goggle search on this guy to pic up dirt is easier then doing the same to Hitler

 

[Briosafreak]

Jebus relax a bit, the vietnam/protests made it end later thesis is absurd of course, as many other things he said, but overall there`s no need to be too heated up, it`s just CCR, without him discussions would be boring.

 

[Jebus]

Jebus relax a bit, the vietnam/protests made it end later thesis is absurd of course, as many other things he said, but overall there`s no need to be too heated up, it`s just CCR,

I will, just as soon as he stops acting like a total dipshit.

without him discussions would be boring

So you want to keep him as a gimmick, eh?

Fine, it's the best he'll ever amount to anyway.

Obvious lie of a totally insane mind
http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/al/Qbelgium-us-nato-offbeat.R1xf_DO3.html

Even my three-year-old nephew could tell Rumsfeld was joking.

1. How's that? (--> since 1492: European colonists)

Well,
1) IT shows people that died of disease

My point was that you can harldy call the colonisation genocide of USA doing, since a) Most of it happened in South and Central America and b) it was done by European conquistadores.

And diseases WERE used as a weapon against the native Americans. (smallpox blankets anyone?)

2) It does'nt show Stalin
3) It does'nt show Mao

I never claimed the list was correct.

5) It does'nt show you guys killing 1/3 of the total population of the Congo

It was more.


About the other things Flahaut said:

"I would never vote for Bush if I were an American"

He's socialist. It's pretty logical he wouldn't vote extreme right. Plus, since when are people not allowed to express their political preferences?

"The American army squanders recources unnecisarily

Go ahead and prove me wrong.


*EDIT*

We've lost lives to save you're nation

Great, there he goes again.

I'm going to say this one more time, and one more time only:

1. Ages ago - we don't owe the present American generation any gratitude

2. Belgium was liberated by the British

3. Not an argument.

I don't think calling all of us "turds" is appropriate.

I was referring to all Americans who sit on their ass all day, contributing nothing to society, think that -somehow- the American government and politics are superiour to all other countries, use the sacrifice his ancestors made as an argument to win his petty arguments, think they are the sole reference when it comes to political world history, insult people like there's no tomorrow, and are plain BLOODY IRRITATING.

So not all Americans are turds, only your kind.

Feel better now?

or calling all Belgians "anti-american" (which is'nt true at all)

You're right, I suppose the VLAAMS BLOK loves Bush.


And hey, that's 1/4th of the Belgian population.

 

[John Uskglass]

I will, just as soon as he stops acting like a total dipshit.

And diseases WERE used as a weapon against the native Americans. (smallpox blankets anyone?)

True, it was genocidal in intent. However, the vast majority of Native Americans died of natural causes. Remember, they just did'nt have the same immune system at the time.

I never claimed the list was correct.

You claimed he was'nt anti-american. I showed he was (in addition to being a total moron).

It was more.

Damn. What where the numbers on that? I only heard 1/3rd.

He's socialist. It's pretty logical he wouldn't vote extreme right. Plus, since when are people not allowed to express their political preferences?

Bush is'nt Vlaams Block, moron. Both parties are relitively centrist,

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

You are.

It's the most powerful army in the history of the world. Even if it did squander rescources, it's still alot more powerful then Belgium.

I love it how he does'nt mention that his "allie's planes" are probably either of American make and probably piloted by Americans.

1. Ages ago - we don't owe the present American generation any gratitude

You owe America gratitude. I doubt you'd want to be a part of the Duetchriech, or part of some Vichy France, would you?

I was referring to all Americans who sit on their ass all day, contributing nothing to society, think that -somehow- the American government and politics are superiour to all other countries, use the sacrifice his ancestors made as an argument to win his petty arguments, think they are the sole reference when it comes to political world history, insult people like there's no tomorrow, and are plain BLOODY IRRITATING.

You're using a nationalist steryotype. I'm sure you'd fit in more with Vlaams Block then you're comfortable with.

Ever been to America?

You're right, I suppose the VLAAMS BLOK loves Bush.

You don't understand you're own sade rise in Fascism.

Fascists are anti capitalists and thus anti-american.

 

[John Uskglass]

Let me get this straight;
You agree that the list is full of shit, you agree that he's a Socialist demegouge, but I'm full of shit?