If the Democrats were to win, should they impeach Bush

[Vistaer]

I think if the democrats win, they shouldn't focus placing blame, but rather fixing the mistakes Bush/Republicans have made and forcing into the hands of bush laws that Bush doesnt want to sign, but the people do. They would have to pour a massive amount of energy into impeeching bush, energy which could be better used to move bills that reverse the absolute disasters that Bush has made or ignored, such as raising the minimum wage, reversing the debt, fixing social programs, etc.

If Bush however further alienates himself by not signing into laws that are needed and popular opinion turns to impeechment (rather than simply disapproval like it is now) yes, they probably should do it.

If it gets that far where the republicans are run out of congress and the executive branch though, I think we may just see a new rash of scandals surrounding the Democrats (beyond stuff involving cigars and oral pleasure) in 4-6 years, and people will become so annoyed that both parties are almost as equally corruptable, that an oppertunity will arise where a more successful (though far from majority, perhaps 10-20%) 3rd party can arrise and perhaps rebalance the scales of politics a bit in this country, putting forth the goals and wants of the American public over that of the lobbists..

 

[Brother None]

Eh, I am going to gracefully bow out of the argument.

I'm sorry you feel that way. My beautiful post, all for naught, all gone to the realm of tl;dr.

I do happen to study political philosophy as well for college, suprisingly enough.

's am I, so that makes no difference.

If your answer was as cocksure as you are, then the political system we do possess would not have done as well as it has through the majority of our history.

Nonsense. I'm only arguing that it is not much of a democratic system, not that it is unpragmatic. Most democratic is not necessarily most pragmatic.

Given that the argument was never answered even in political scientist circles (and how I argued this topic in my History of Modern Europe class) I rather doubt your argument is quite as neat and concise as you might want it to appear to everyone else.

Argumentum ad verecundiam. Please do not resort to logical fallacies.

The Electoral College is definately not direct.

Yes it is. The Electoral College makes it so that votes get distributed unevenly, of this I am well aware, but it is still a direct system of election.

Do you even know what indirect election means?

 

[John Uskglass]

Damn it Kharn, do you ALWAYS have to win?

 

[Dapper Dan Man]

Eh, I am going to gracefully bow out of the argument.

I'm sorry you feel that way. My beautiful post, all for naught, all gone to the realm of tl;dr.

Well what else am I going to write in reply to this, pray tell? I can argue all night and it won't result in much of anything.

Damn it Kharn, do you ALWAYS have to win?

It's still technically winning on the internet, heh. We all know how much *that* is worth, right?

 

[Malky]

Damn it Kharn, do you ALWAYS have to win?

Well, if he didn't win, you would. Couldn't allow that.

 

[John Uskglass]

Damn it Kharn, do you ALWAYS have to win?

Well, if he didn't win, you would. Couldn't allow that.

Well, if the game was fucking 15 year olds when I am 20 years old, I'd let you win.

 

[aeonsbeyond]

All I have to say about this entire thread is:

DIEBOLD.

It would be nice to imagine we might sweep Congress to a Democratic victory and a subsquent impeachment, but we have yet to see if the Republicans will EVER lose another election in our lifetimes, even when their own base is starting to get very rowdy indeed:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Scarborough-Country-Gop-fails.mov

 

[PhredBean]

I'd like to amend the subject of this thread to say whether the Republicans or Democrats win, they should Impeach Bush.

Simply stated, he has rarely stood for the desires of either party, he pisses in both their faces with such regularity it's amazing he has any support whatsoever. He's shot to hell the freedoms of americans - all americans, regardless of party lines - and needs to answer for it. He's ignored the wellbeing of our country, paying instead attention to issues the US has no business being involved in.

The founding fathers of this country are rolling in their graves right now, I'm sure. Everything they've stood for, their advice for alliances and non-involvement, the freedom they established is all being trampled.

I don't see it at all as Democrats vs Republicans, both have effectively lost sight of their original ideals, the parties today a mocking shadow of what they once stood for. Neither of them are responsible nor encourage any form of responsibility, they both fistfuck the nation with one hand, using the other to point at eachother. Right now, americans need to take back their government, not for a party but for a nation.