Jesus Tapdancing Christ, will you two Brits start typing properly, you invented the fucking language, so fucking use it!
Iranians Seize 15 British Sailors/Marines
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You were talking about the US and the UK. As it stands, the UK isn't doing too great a job and certainly couldn't take on Iran on its own.Muff said:
Yes, they are. The Iranian army is much better equipped than the Iraqi army.Muff said:
Source please.Muff said:
Also: bullshit. Iran has a decent military, unlike Iraq. This was shown multiple times in wars in the region.
Ahahahaha!Muff said:
You're a fucking moron if you really believe that.
If it was due to your being lighthanded, please tell me why the fuck the insurgents are *still* there? Or are you saying you're *still* too lighthanded and have, in fact, learned nothing (since, according to your logic, lighthanded was bad)?
Mikey said:
K, here are some cold, mean figures about Iraq and Iran:
Iraq:
Size: 437 072 sq. km.
population: 26 783 383 (July 2006 est.)
Iran:
Size: +/- 1 648 000 sq. km. (or, roughly four times bigger than Iraq)
population: 68 688 433 (July 2006 est.) (or, about three and a half times the population of Iraq)
(figures are from the CIA factbook)
And that's not even taking into consideration that the terrain of Iran is mostly mountainous - rugged all around, with plenty of obscure spots and caves to hide in.
Plus the fact that opposed to Saddam's Iraq, Iran is (ironically) seen by many Moslems as a beacon of truth and progess in the Islamic world, and is bound to rally a lot more foreigners in its defense.
You want to invade it too? Good luck. It'd give you a continuous war zone of roughly 2 768 500 square miles and a population of about 126 529 000 people that hate your guts, and you'd have to keep down. (that's including Afghanistan on both counts, of course.) For reference, the UK is 244,820 sq km big and has a population of 60,609,153 (July 2006 est.); practically all of which are bound to be less willing to give up their lives for this war.
Loads of fun!
Mikey said:
Nothing.
This whole deal was just a minor show of force from the current Irani government.
The Iranis will release the sailors in a matter of days, and the responsible authorities will try to find a decent "explanation" story (which will be extremely complicated) in order not to look like complete morons to the rest of the world.
Forget SAS raids, bombing campaigns and tactical nuclear strikes. Too much Ahnold movies, kids.
Forget even harsher trade embargos than the revisited ones imposed about the nuclear programme deal. Iran can't afford that.
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I am just surprised of how some of you just want to find excuses to go to a war. What's so exiting about it? That 15 british sailors and marines were captured would as much deserve some sort of SAS operation, and that would be overreacting. Much less should someone use that as an excuse to go to a full scale war, unless you want to attack the country for other reasons than that.
Otherwise why don't you enlist and go to war. Enough for sending others to do the mess and risk their lives.
Otherwise why don't you enlist and go to war. Enough for sending others to do the mess and risk their lives.
Metzer said:
Speak. English.
Use. Spellcheck.
It's. Simple.
welsh
Junkmaster
From what I understand the Iranian is not very strong.
In a conventional war, it would probably go to the US and Brits over the Iranians. Such a war would play to US strengths. The problem is one of assets- I don't think the US has the ability to fight a conventional landwar in Iran.
But it might not have too. The war in Kosovo was not much of a landwar for the US.
The problem is governing Iran afterwards. Which assumes that the US would stay. Would it?
Perhaps not. Afterall the US is looking to get out of Iraq now, nevermind the chaos that follows.
That said, I don't think it will come to war. This is all a lot of sabre rattling..
In a conventional war, it would probably go to the US and Brits over the Iranians. Such a war would play to US strengths. The problem is one of assets- I don't think the US has the ability to fight a conventional landwar in Iran.
But it might not have too. The war in Kosovo was not much of a landwar for the US.
The problem is governing Iran afterwards. Which assumes that the US would stay. Would it?
Perhaps not. Afterall the US is looking to get out of Iraq now, nevermind the chaos that follows.
That said, I don't think it will come to war. This is all a lot of sabre rattling..
The strenght of the Iranian army is a non-issue anyway. The way things are now, I'd guess the US could overrun practically the entire world landmass without significant problems.
The problems come afterwards, however - as has been demonstrated amply in the past and present.
The problems come afterwards, however - as has been demonstrated amply in the past and present.
Gonzalez
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Jebus said:
Aw, shut up! No really, this whole thing about the american army defeating his opponents has really gone too far, maybe as far as the rumor that Rommel was some sort of monster, mage or supernatural being and the order had to be given so that the british troops stopped referring the german forces by the name of his commander.
That the american armed forces defeated the weakened and obviously inferior iraqi army doesn't mean the can overrun the entire world landmass, not only because of the obvious logistic problems and the troops shortage, but because not all the armies in the world other than the US are the iraqi army, there are some more powerful you know.
No to say that those problems that you are talking about, those that come afterwards, that is called guerrilla warfare and it is a war itself, one that is fought between an dominant power and a force who is no match to fight the enemy's strength, but that divides his efforts in thousands of small battles attacking the enemy weakness when it hurts and where it hurts making this small battles sum up to a greater victory. This is not a new type of warfare and it is probably the first type of war in history. Let me remind you that while in the frontal assaults the US won all the battles in Vietnam, it was not doing well on the guerrilla warfare, and that's the reason why they lost in Vietnam, yes, they lost. To sign a cease fire that would be soon after be broken so that the enemy takes over just after you left with your troops sounds like you lost the war to me.
So lets demystify a bit all this all powerful US military supremacy that will rule over the entire world.
Lt. Col. Gonzalez please don't turn this into a discussion about the similarity's between Nam and Iraq they are two separate conflicts.
And the problem that is getting in the way of winning the conflict the troop's are fighting with a Rulebook in one hand and a second rule book in the other. If the governments of the US and the UK would listen to the army's the problem would go away in a short time.
The BBC has shown evidence that the Raider patrol boats that the marines and sailors where TWO miles inside Iraqi waters and it was the Iranian Patrol boats that strayed into the wrong area. And the Marines and sailors had no choice but to surrender facing a much more heavily armed enemy.
1 Crew boards merchant ship 1.7NM inside Iraqi waters
2 HMS Cornwall was south-east of this, and inside Iraqi waters
3 Iran tells UK that merchant ship was at a different point, still within Iraqi waters
4 After UK points this out, Iran provides alternative position, now within Iranian waters
And did any one see what they made the sailor Faye Turney the only woman in the group to ware a Fucking Head scarf, then also they had to put out that letter which they calmed she wrote. This Makes me want to be sick!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6503657.stm
EDIT: This is a more detailed description pf what happened. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6502805.stm
And the problem that is getting in the way of winning the conflict the troop's are fighting with a Rulebook in one hand and a second rule book in the other. If the governments of the US and the UK would listen to the army's the problem would go away in a short time.
The BBC has shown evidence that the Raider patrol boats that the marines and sailors where TWO miles inside Iraqi waters and it was the Iranian Patrol boats that strayed into the wrong area. And the Marines and sailors had no choice but to surrender facing a much more heavily armed enemy.
1 Crew boards merchant ship 1.7NM inside Iraqi waters
2 HMS Cornwall was south-east of this, and inside Iraqi waters
3 Iran tells UK that merchant ship was at a different point, still within Iraqi waters
4 After UK points this out, Iran provides alternative position, now within Iranian waters
And did any one see what they made the sailor Faye Turney the only woman in the group to ware a Fucking Head scarf, then also they had to put out that letter which they calmed she wrote. This Makes me want to be sick!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6503657.stm
EDIT: This is a more detailed description pf what happened. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6502805.stm
welsh
Junkmaster
Really, this is a test. The Iran's are testing the resolve of the Brits and the US. That's all this is.
The fact that the woman had to wear a headscarf is appaling indeed. I hate that ridiculous holy muslim crap. Everything is fucking relgion for those sandpeople. Do we take muslims prisoner and demand that they cut off their beards or start wearing christian symbols around their necks? No we don't.
This is going to be all about reputation eventually. Who is going to give in? Will all those soldiers have to sign some document that states that they were in Iranian waters (even if they weren't), just to get them out of that shithole? Do you have to lie to save your life nowadays? The Iranians have changed the information about the position of that British vessel twice. Who is lying here? Should the British really bow down to such a backwards society? I think not.
Yeah, and Thom Yorke would not approve of that. But fuck that as well.
I have no doubt in my mind that this won't escalate anytime soon, I even think the British will give in, but all in all: this incident will be well-documented in the West and will eventually, on a 'much' later date, lead to Israel bombing the shitout of Iranian nuclear facilities. And I'm all for that.
This is going to be all about reputation eventually. Who is going to give in? Will all those soldiers have to sign some document that states that they were in Iranian waters (even if they weren't), just to get them out of that shithole? Do you have to lie to save your life nowadays? The Iranians have changed the information about the position of that British vessel twice. Who is lying here? Should the British really bow down to such a backwards society? I think not.
Yeah, and Thom Yorke would not approve of that. But fuck that as well.
I have no doubt in my mind that this won't escalate anytime soon, I even think the British will give in, but all in all: this incident will be well-documented in the West and will eventually, on a 'much' later date, lead to Israel bombing the shitout of Iranian nuclear facilities. And I'm all for that.
Please stop giving them more reasons to make 'music'.alec said:
K. Cut it out you two, either debate points or stop posting. Don't just post personal attacks.alec said:What I seriously doubt, though, is whether I give a fuck about you.
Nah, I don't. *tchock tchock tchock*
welsh
Junkmaster
alec said:
Well now... Here in the US, we... ah.... kind a do.
And then there is the French rule that "thou shalt not wear headscarves to school."
So?
(When in Rome, do as the Romans? Note that if you take that literally you can do in the Middle East as Middle Easterners do. Do don't be pissed off if someone loses a limb for stealing.)
Well the Iranians are waving the flag. I doubt they are making many friends in the US and UK, but are probably doing alright in their neck of the woods. Its' good PR to thumb Western powers in the nose.
Alec, you're not fooling anyone. We all know that you're a peace-loving pot smoking hippy leftist who spends his freetime around a campground, smoking grass, singing kumbaya and trying to have anal sex with impressionable and idealistic young college chicks that are probably too stoned to know better.
Vicious_Squid
First time out of the vault
The problem with wars these days is that they are too political... enough of this bullshit.
I say bomb the shit out of Iran and leave them to clean up their own goddamn mess.
The terrorists, insurgents, militants, jihadists, ect. all act like a bunch of little kids... they're all fucking morons, fuck them. Let them sort out their own problems instead of getting our troops caught up in the political bullshit.
I say bomb the shit out of Iran and leave them to clean up their own goddamn mess.
The terrorists, insurgents, militants, jihadists, ect. all act like a bunch of little kids... they're all fucking morons, fuck them. Let them sort out their own problems instead of getting our troops caught up in the political bullshit.
Vicious_Squid said:
Dude I share the sentiment, two Royal navy transports that where in a local dockyard for a refit have just left the Mersey (cammle-lerd dock yard) and most of the TA unit's in my area are getting equipment delivered they didn't request, hope I can get my leg fixed so I can get back into the fight missed the first years of Iraq
hope I can do Iran that would be a fight to look forward to 
8)