Is the Enclave old?

[ElloinmorninJ]

I was working on a hypothetical Fallout game set in Colorado, and wanted to have a faction called Buchanan’s Brigade, a contingent of the Enclave, present. This was the original idea

There wouldn’t be any Enclave, but there would be a faction descended from them- Buchanan’s Guard. Led by Commander Adam Buchanan, they’re former Enclave members who have in the 20 or so years since its fall taken to an abandoned NORAD base. They’re small, only about 80 of them, but they’d be important- They’d relinquish the old ways of the Enclave and simply want to rebuild something. Anything civilized. They’d be mostly men though, so they’d be buying female slaves to try and grow their population, or capturing them themselves- No tribal being able to match their power.


^ Some of the users who replied suggested I replace these guys with a non-Enclave group. Perhaps just some sort of paramilitary faction or a community of survivalists that were particularly well-armed. But I feel like the Enclave could work. They are a pretty powerful faction. Hmm. What do you guys think?

 

[Hardboiled Android]

I wouldn't mind the Enclave as long as they remain extremely minor.

 

[Dayglow Drifter]

The only acceptable portrayal of The Enclave at this point would be essentially what was done in New Vegas, basically showing them as a group reminiscent in post-WWII Nazi fugitives. This doesn't mean that there still can't be Enclave bad guys, but I think any Enclave villain would be more interesting as a lackey to the actual Big Bad Guy.

 

[TorontoReign]

What people don't know is the Enclave was founded by 33rd degree Freemasons that were all descended from the Founding Fathers of the country. It's in the Fallout Bible.

 

[Atomic Postman]

What people don't know is the Enclave was founded by 33rd degree Freemasons that were all descended from the Founding Fathers of the country. It's in the Fallout Bible.

tbh i'd actually like that. The Enclave being deepstate memes that got BTFO by a tribal and wiped away for good even after surviving the apocalypse is pretty neato

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

It is not perhaps a bad idea but I think at some point a line should have been drawn how far popular conspiracies should be a part of the Fallout canon.
Fallout is about exploring the world that came after the bomb and not to much what did come before the bomb and survived it.

 

[TorontoReign]

Not anymore. Now we have the BoS being some armed militant faction that hated the government. FALLOUT CANNON.

 

[Atomic Postman]

Not anymore. Now we have the BoS being some armed militant faction that hated the government. FALLOUT CANNON.

In fairness was the origin story of the BoS not always that Maxson led a coup at Mariposa and declared secession from the USA, but it was less than a handful of days before the bombs

 

[TorontoReign]

From what I read of 76 lore it pushes that event in the background. It feels more like the BoS are actual terrorists instead of soldiers refusing orders.

 

[Atomic Postman]

Oh lame

 

[Dayglow Drifter]

From what I read of 76 lore it pushes that event in the background. It feels more like the BoS are actual terrorists instead of soldiers refusing orders.

retconning is bethesda's go-to way of avoiding having to come up with new and original ideas

 

[Gizmojunk]

Bethesda has bought the batch of secret sauce—without the recipe. They slathered it on their own products, but have run out, and cannot make any more of the stuff.

 

[Risewild]

In fairness was the origin story of the BoS not always that Maxson led a coup at Mariposa and declared secession from the USA, but it was less than a handful of days before the bombs

If I remember correctly, Maxson killed the scientists at Mariposa, then reported himself to the USA government and waited for them to come and arrest him. But they never came (because the bombs fell).
So he formed the BoS after that.

 

[Atomic Postman]

If I remember correctly, Maxson killed the scientists at Mariposa, then reported himself to the USA government and waited for them to come and arrest him. But they never came (because the bombs fell).
So he formed the BoS after that.

I recall him comparing himself to Jefferson Davis but it's been a while

 

[Risewild]

I recall him comparing himself to Jefferson Davis but it's been a while

He mentions Jefferson Davis on his diary recordings we can find in Fallout 1:

I finally replied to the outside world over our radio. I don't know why they never sent anyone here to see what was happening when we stopped responding to their transmissions. It doesn't make any sense. Well, they'll come now. I declared ourselves seceded from the union. They remember Jefferson Davis. What will history say about me?

...

What the hell is going on? We declare ourselves to be in full desertion from the army and no longer under the Government's command and what happens? Nothing. Something bad is coming down.

What is interesting is that it seems that the game used an outdated version of the diary. It should say "Jefferson Davis, eat your heart out." instead of "They remember Jefferson Davis. What will history say about me?"

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This is what the Fallout Bible says:

Captain Roger Maxson and his men discover that the scientists at
Mariposa have been using "military volunteers" (military prisoners
who didn't have their brains scooped for use in Brain Bots) as test
subjects in their experiments. Morale in the base breaks down, and
Maxson executes Anderson, the chief scientist. Not long after this (and
in light of the breakdown of the mental breakdown of Colonel Spindel
stationed at the base), Maxson's men turn to him for leadership. He
shrugs and says "we should quit."

Captain Roger Maxson, now in control of Mariposa, declares himself
to be in full desertion from the army (via radio)... and nothing happens.
Worried, Maxson orders all families stationed outside the base moved
inside the Mariposa facility.

So, he declares succession from the Union and awaits for the government to come and take him, but they never come. I think that was his way of "quitting", like the FO Bible says.
He forms the BoS after the exodus to the Lost Hills bunker.