Isn't it a tad unfair..

[Tannhauser]

I'm not here to argue this point, but I think that thread is misguided. SA is a humor site. I don't believe they posted the WeekendWeb as some type of vendetta, but rather because some of those posts were truly golden.

You should check out nearly any of the Fallout threads on the Something Awful forums, usually they quickly degenerate into circular maligning of NMA, much of which appears to have started because of the HayT affair. We have also been previously featured as an Awful Link of the Day:

No Mutants Allowed Forums - The release of the Fallout 3 teaser earlier this week softened the hearts of most Fallout fanboys who (like me) were slightly worried by Bethesda's track record of creating large worlds with lots off carefully placed items that combined to make slightly interactive museums instead of fun and immersive games with character. The impressively atmospheric teaser wasn't enough, however, to satisfy the most obsessive and change-fearing goblins to ever amass in one dark corner of the internet: the No Mutants Allowed forumgoers.

It's okay to be skeptical, but NMA takes it to a whole new level. Most of their comments ignored the ambiance of the Fallout 3 trailer and the fact that it was rendered in the actual game engine with real art assets, focusing instead (with a gleeful viciousness) on the only thing they could possibly criticize: a suit of power armor that was slightly different than it was in the first game.

Every miniscule detail of the suit itself was discussed off and on over the course of the next 23 pages, which also included a thoughtful debate as to whether Bethesda is evil or retarded. You can guess what the rest of the site is like.

 

[xdarkyrex]

Man, the jokes fall flat when you know the specifics of how full of shit something awful is.



Am I gonna have to stop using the intarweb so that I can still appreciate their humor?

 

[dmastri]

You should check out nearly any of the Fallout threads on the Something Awful forums

Yea, their forum is very hit or miss. You either find a gem, or you get reamed out by everyone and their mother... and the forum moderating is too heavy handed for my liking.

Of course, that's probably just because I'm a forum noob.

But, to be perfectly honest, this community certainly can seem extreme from the outside in the hatred/criticism lobbied against FO3. I mean, look at the first response to my posted question about what people thought the best FPS elements to include would be, since it is going to be an FPS, and that fact can't be changed.

The response?

"No, just no.
There isn't something like Fallout FPS, if it's fps then it means it's not Fallout."

I don't mean to pick on this guy, but it is these kinds of responses that promote the idea of this place being full of the outer-fringe of hardcore Fallout nerdom.

 

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

To get so viscerally upset about the change in a franchise without actually having seen any real information?

You mean you're just a poor soul who hasn't seen any previews and screenshots? Poor guy.

Oh, you mean previews like demos and more than a handful of gameplay screenshots?

What if Fallout 3 turns out to be incredibly amazing?

If some people would just read NMA forums, they'd know that's not the case... It's not about it being good or not, it's about FO3 being 'Fallout' at all.

It's possible that what Bethesda is creating is a much better way to enjoy Fallout, you wouldn't know cause you've played nothing yet.

Doesn't Bethesda, who's made some great games, deserve a chance?

Um, great games, I know they made very good Daggerfall but I don't recall any other great games...

Oblivion and Morrowind are considered to be two very great games by, oh, 99% of the gaming community.

I agree that some of the hate I've seen on this forum is extreme. But hey, that's the internet.

And some positive thinking I saw on TES forums is extreme too.
Even this guy said "What if Fallout 3 turns out to be incredibly amazing?"
Well, what if Fallout 3 turns out NOT to be incredibly amazing or even good? As he said, we know nothing!
I always find optimists knowing nothing complaining about pesimists knowing as much pathetic.

See, I'm not being optimistic, I'm looking at the general attitude of this forum and saying "Why completely throw away the chance to enjoy a game?", even if Fallout is different, it seems like without Bethesda making FO3, the series is dead in the water. So you can have A. A game with a decent chance to be good (even if it is different) or B. Your favorite series being dead.

 

[Black]

I'm not okay with digging FO out of the grave to rape it horribly and then put it back in.
If someone wanted to dig out FO's corpses then I expect them to make perfect resurrection, not raping.

 

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

I'm not okay with digging FO out of the grave to rape it horribly and then put it back in.
If someone wanted to dig out FO's corpses then I expect them to make perfect resurrection, not raping.

Wow, so you'd only be happy with a "perfect resurrection" of the series? I know you're trying to seem like a hardcore fan, but to me that just seems like someone who isn't a fan at all, just a selfish dude not willing to try something new.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Sounds to me like you're not even a fan and probably never played any of the games.

So, to be short: What the fuck are you doing here?

 

[Black]

I'd be even happy with proper resurrection, not necessary perfect.
Or maybe you honestly think that bethesda is 'resurrecting' Fallout?

Well, no, they're not.
They're making a generic FPS with stats and skills in post-apo setting, in other words, Oblivion with guns.

that just seems like someone who isn't a fan at all, just a selfish dude not willing to try something new.

Honestly, I don't give a s**t what random_dudes_on_teh_internets think about me.

 

[Sander]

See, I'm not being optimistic, I'm looking at the general attitude of this forum and saying "Why completely throw away the chance to enjoy a game?", even if Fallout is different, it seems like without Bethesda making FO3, the series is dead in the water. So you can have A. A game with a decent chance to be good (even if it is different) or B. Your favorite series being dead.

The real dichotomy is having the series be completely dead in spirit, with only false sequels being made, or still having hope for a real sequel to be made in the future. So far, Fallout 3 is actually the thing that is killing the series. A lack of Fallout 3 wouldn't be doing that.

Wow, so you'd only be happy with a "perfect resurrection" of the series? I know you're trying to seem like a hardcore fan, but to me that just seems like someone who isn't a fan at all, just a selfish dude not willing to try something new.

Because something new must automagically be something better!
I'm sorry, we're not opposed to change. We're opposed to change that betrays the essence of Fallout.

 

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

See, I'm not being optimistic, I'm looking at the general attitude of this forum and saying "Why completely throw away the chance to enjoy a game?", even if Fallout is different, it seems like without Bethesda making FO3, the series is dead in the water. So you can have A. A game with a decent chance to be good (even if it is different) or B. Your favorite series being dead.

The real dichotomy is having the series be completely dead in spirit, with only false sequels being made, or still having hope for a real sequel to be made in the future. So far, Fallout 3 is actually the thing that is killing the series. A lack of Fallout 3 wouldn't be doing that.

Wow, so you'd only be happy with a "perfect resurrection" of the series? I know you're trying to seem like a hardcore fan, but to me that just seems like someone who isn't a fan at all, just a selfish dude not willing to try something new.

Because something new must automagically be something better!
I'm sorry, we're not opposed to change. We're opposed to change that betrays the essence of Fallout.

If Fallout goes the graveyard, almost guaranteed that with the way the game industry is evolving, it won't see life again. With Fallout 3 at least you have a chance for the series to keep getting money from Publishers.

Again, I haven't yet said that FO3 will be better, I've simply said that it's ridiculous to write the game off without having seen more than a mere tidbit of gameplay or you know, playing it for yourself and forming your own opinion.

 

[Black]

If Fallout goes the graveyard, almost guaranteed that with the way the game industry is evolving, it won't see life again.

If bethesda keeps rights to make Fallout it won't see life again either. They showed that they can't make games other than real-time and fpp and rt and fpp =! Fallout

 

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

I'd be even happy with proper resurrection, not necessary perfect.
Or maybe you honestly think that bethesda is 'resurrecting' Fallout?

Well, no, they're not.
They're making a generic FPS with stats and skills in post-apo setting, in other words, Oblivion with guns.

that just seems like someone who isn't a fan at all, just a selfish dude not willing to try something new.

Honestly, I don't give a s**t what random_dudes_on_teh_internets think about me.

Right, glad to know you've had some good hands-on experience with the game.

 

[Black]

Glad you read the previews...
Oh wait, it doesn't seem like you did.
Nevermind then.

 

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

If Fallout goes the graveyard, almost guaranteed that with the way the game industry is evolving, it won't see life again.

If bethesda keeps rights to make Fallout it won't see life again either. They showed that they can't make games other than real-time and fpp and rt and fpp =! Fallout

So you basically just have a hard-on for hating Bethesda, because that seems to be inhibiting your ability to develop some kind of rational argument.

 

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

Glad you read the previews...
Oh wait, it doesn't seem like you did.
Nevermind then.

I'm not here to talk about whether I read the previews or not (I have, though you're free to assume as you wish), I'm just questioning why the hate for FO3, and you've been giving me my answers all along.

 

[FeelTheRads]

If Fallout goes the graveyard, almost guaranteed that with the way the game industry is evolving, it won't see life again.

If bethesda keeps rights to make Fallout it won't see life again either. They showed that they can't make games other than real-time and fpp and rt and fpp =! Fallout

So you basically just have a hard-on for hating Bethesda, because that seems to be inhibiting your ability to develop some kind of rational argument.

As opposed to your arguments that sum up to "you haven't seen anything so don't complain"?
That would be a rational argument indeed if we wouldn't have seen anything. But you just want to go around the bush and avoid every post that mentions the dozens of reviews that are already out there depicting many aspects of the game.

And again.. what is your problem? Nothing better to do than troll a forum for a game you don't even care about?

(I have, though you're free to assume as you wish)

OK, so let's assume you did. If you'd have at least a faint idea about Fallout, then you'd know that from those previews it's obvious that Fallout 3 will have almost nothing to do with the first games.
Now... put that thing in your skull you call brain to work a little and maybe you'll figure out why we don't like that.

Also, why should we care if the franchise makes money or not? We're not getting those money... and we're not getting a game we like either. So... this optimism we're supposed to have... any reason for it?

 

[Black]

If you can't come to conclusions after reading articles then I'll lend you a hand. Friendly souls from Codex did this
http://www.rpgcodex.com/content.php?id=153

I'm not here to talk about whether I read the previews or not (I have, though you're free to assume as you wish)

But we still don't know anything, right?

 

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

If Fallout goes the graveyard, almost guaranteed that with the way the game industry is evolving, it won't see life again.

If bethesda keeps rights to make Fallout it won't see life again either. They showed that they can't make games other than real-time and fpp and rt and fpp =! Fallout

So you basically just have a hard-on for hating Bethesda, because that seems to be inhibiting your ability to develop some kind of rational argument.

As opposed to your arguments that sum up to "you haven't seen anything so don't complain"?
That would be a rational argument indeed if we wouldn't have seen anything. But you just want to go around the bush and avoid every post that mentions the dozens of reviews that are already out there depicting many aspects of the game.

And again.. what is your problem? Nothing better to do than troll a forum for a game you don't even care about?

(I have, though you're free to assume as you wish)

OK, so let's assume you did. If you'd have at least a faint idea about Fallout, then you'd know that from those previews it's obvious that Fallout 3 will have almost nothing to do with the first games.
Now... put that thing in your skull you call brain to work a little and maybe you'll figure out why we don't like that.

Also, why should we care if the franchise makes money or not? We're not getting those money... and we're not getting a game we like either. So... this optimism we're supposed to have... any reason for it?

Please point to where I said "you haven't seen anything so don't complain", I'm going to assume that since you quoted it, I said it just like that. I said, you've seen previews, but not played it yourself, so why come to such a complete judgement?

I think what I said was easy enough to understand, if Fallout dies, especially in an industry based on a casual consumer, it won't see the light of day again. As it stands, even though FO3 may not be what you want it to be, it's still giving it hope that future iterations may be closer to what you expect a Fallout game to be.

I love how you're getting so much out of what little I'm saying, I'm flattered, honestly.

 

[FeelTheRads]

To get so viscerally upset about the change in a franchise without actually having seen any real information?

Uhm... yeah. You never said it.

 

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

To get so viscerally upset about the change in a franchise without actually having seen any real information?

Uhm... yeah. You never said it.

Yet, that isn't what you quoted, thanks champ.