J.E. Sawyer doesn't talk about New Vegas

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J.E. Sawyer has said a bunch of things with no real relation to or information about Fallout: New Vegas. Ausir sums up. On G.E.C.K., character creation and damage thresholds.<blockquote>The retail GECK is almost identical to the dev GECK. Version control is the one very notable difference. Obviously having access to the source code allows Bethesda to build-in/retrofit for things that designers can't do through the GECK itself, which endusers can't do.
Believe me -- we had the same sort of problem when NWN2 was released. People insisted that we could not possibly have made NWN2 with the retail toolset. To an extent, that's true; for most of development, the NWN2 toolset was actually much, much worse.</blockquote>And Sawyer watched a teaser trailer.<blockquote>Fallout: New Vegas lead designer J.E. Sawyer has posted on his twitter that he has "just watched a pretty sweet teaser trailer. owns." Could it mean that New Vegas trailer is coming soon?</blockquote>
 
Brother None said:
Could it mean that New Vegas trailer is coming soon?
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I bloody hope so... Bethesda shut us out for the while with Fallout 3, and we all know how that turned out.
 
Well, remember how Sawyer used to post similar stuff in the old BIS forum, officially with no actual relation to Van Buren?
 
Reconite said:
I bloody hope so... Bethesda shut us out for the while with Fallout 3, and we all know how that turned out.
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Bethesda PR is always quiet for the longest time. They like to run their own pace. I like that, it's good, doesn't stretch hype out too much.

Ausir said:
Well, remember how Sawyer used to post similar stuff in the old BIS forum, officially with no actual relation to Van Buren?
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Yes.

Difference being he actually said things back then :mrgreen:

From talking to Obsidianites, I get the impression this is Bethesda's PR field to play with, they set the pace for releasing info, and while no doubt Obsidian's forum activity will be more interesting than Bethesda's was once the game PR actually starts, NMA will probably be out of the loop PR-wise (which obviously wouldn't be the case if it was just Obsidian). Semi-official dickgobblers like Ausir, Briosafreak and King of Creation should be fine, obviously.
 
Semi-official assmunchers like Ausir, Briosafreak and King of Creation should be fine, obviously.
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Huh? I'm permbanned from Beth's forum. I'm not going to get anything from them. Hopefully, I might be on the translation team again, though. But as far as Bethesda's PR goes, I' as much out of loop as you are.
 
Brother None said:
Bethesda PR is always quiet for the longest time. They like to run their own pace. I like that, it's good, doesn't stretch hype out too much.
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You're quite right. Except Fallout 3 got hyped up the ass and to the heavens anyway. I expect the same with New Vegas if Bethesda want it to sell well, though it might not even need advertising after the crowds of people that were brought in with Fallout 3.
 
Ausir said:
Huh? I'm permbanned from Beth's forum. I'm not going to get anything from them. Hopefully, I might be on the translation team again, though. But as far as Bethesda's PR goes, I' as much out of loop as you are.
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We'll see. They tried playing the Fallout community out against one another at the start of Fallout 3 PR too.

I wouldn't be surprised if Planet Fallout gets everything, since they're the Fallout "community" that's unequivocally in Bethesda's pocket, but you and KoC have never been far behind in giving anallingus, so perhaps it'll pay dividends? We'll see.
 
I don't recall ever getting anything from Bethesda's PR for The Vault myself. There was some stuff that The Vault got from Beth, like the contest thing, but that was something Wikia, Inc. people got from them, not me or any of the community members. The only inside info I had about Fallout 3 was from translating it for Cenega.
 
Ausir said:
I don't recall ever getting anything from Bethesda's PR for The Vault myself. There was some stuff that The Vault got from Beth, like the contest thing, but that was something Wikia, Inc. people got from them, not me or any of the community members.
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Excuses, excuses. Fact is any Fallout community or project not directly related to NMA is cockgobbling Bethesda by definition.

Oh yeah.

I went there.
 
Excuses, excuses. Fact is any Fallout community or project not directly related to NMA is cockgobbling Bethesda by definition.
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You're still an admin at The Vault, by the way. What does this make you?
 
That said, we do have admins that are Fallout 3 fans. Maybe Porter21, the only other bureaucrat beside me might be able to handle contacts with Beth's PR better than myself. But that's up to him.
 
All this feisty back and forth. Now we're cooking or is that cockin'.

Gobble Gobble aside, you do realize that unless you got paid handsomely by Bethesda for doing translation work and promoting their drivel, you basically were treated like a sweatshop employee.

It's all about the Uncle Bernanke printed Benjamin's in the end from Bethesda's overseers POV or anyone else for that matter so if they can use you to translate on the cheap for them and be an evangelist for free, then they'll laugh their lucky stars into letting you do it again.

The novelty of being their translator wears off as time goes by and you see the seedier side of their swindle.

But do not lose heart since lots of money usually buys them separation from a decent human life and the leeches that end up around them are some of the worst of the worst that humanity has to offer.

Think Bill Gates or Warren Buffet are Happy?

One spends endless sums fighting a ticket with a team of lawyers in a how dare you ticket me rebuff of the Government and the other guy is obsessive compulsive about growing his pile of fluctuating 40 billion at a rate greater than inflation.

The Lovers of Money and power also end up with miss misery as their company.

It is more honorable to run this fan site and run it well than to run companies that ruin so many developers lives by stealing their ideas(Microsoft) or force companies to sell their dreams for peanuts (Berkshire Hathaway)

You guys should be glad you don't live here. You'd be constantly bombarded with adverts about the wonders of retirement( think blade runner replicants) and end up figuring out that the whole dog and pony show is to get a few elite sob's a load of money thru the Wall Street system.

The end justifying the means of everything for these greedy CEO's is to sell out to the highest bidders on Wall Street( who are often the clueless sobs that waste their lives working as cubicle zombies)

But that is too depressing a thought so let us get back to gaming.

Remember when it was a small niche market without all the hoopla and lawsuits?

The graphics were not all that but the frontier like mentality and cool newness of it was alive and well and then Zenimax corps came over and stole the soul of gaming and since then the wastes have been barren.
 
Gobble Gobble aside, you do realize that unless you got paid handsomely by Bethesda for doing translation work and promoting their drivel, you basically were treated like a sweatshop employee.
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I was not even paid by Bethesda. I was paid by Cenega, the Polish publisher of the game.
 
Given that JE Sawyer seems to have been doing stuff at Bethesda HQ these last few days, including watching a teaser trailer, hopefully it's a sign that we'll see something soon. Even a teaser would be welcome as far as I'm concerned.
 
Brother None said:
Ausir said:
Huh? I'm permbanned from Beth's forum. I'm not going to get anything from them. Hopefully, I might be on the translation team again, though. But as far as Bethesda's PR goes, I' as much out of loop as you are.
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We'll see. They tried playing the Fallout community out against one another at the start of Fallout 3 PR too.

I wouldn't be surprised if Planet Fallout gets everything, since they're the Fallout "community" that's unequivocally in Bethesda's pocket, but you and KoC have never been far behind in giving anallingus, so perhaps it'll pay dividends? We'll see.
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Pft, at least some english speaking people got something. With communities of other languages there is absolutly no contact. I just remember one thing that has been done with a german Fallout 3 website, but that was also just in combination with a big games magazine. Except this, there was nothing. Even the german Fallout 3 website was just poorly translated and not really a great read.

Bethesda community support == shit. That's it.
 
Ausir said:
I'm permbanned from Beth's forum.
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that just killed me. a guy who knows almost everything about fallout universe was banned on beth's forum like a bitch. u can ban spammer or someone but not this kind of people who are almost like a walking fallout bible. really, NMA is the last fallout community's bastion and i'm sure if bethesda would do this... this site would be only a history now.
 
Excuse me but what are you smoking Lexx? Beth places a huge emphasis on it's game's communities! Of course, communities come in 2 kinds, the useless flighty fan made stuff and the real beth sponsored forums. Who cares about those barbarians? They only need their ... real fans....
 
Lexx said:
Bethesda community support == shit. That's it.
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Yes. And no.

What dev points out is a key point here. Bethesda not caring much for us is not surprising and hardly a big deal, companies certainly aren't obligated to give lip service to its criticasters, and fact is that any time I did fire off an email to one of their staff they've always been courteous if curt.

But Bethesda has a bit of an obsession with total control of PR. They don't like it when they don't have direct control of what's going on. That's why they're fine with Planet Fallout, who they can trust to keep a tongue firmly jammed up their ass, but Fallout 3 Nexus barely even gets acknowledged (note how the BethBlog mod roundups usually/always point to Planet Elder Scrolls and Planet Fallout, despite those two sites having pathetic modding communites compared to TESNexus and Fallout 3 Nexus), and neither does the Vault, despite it being practically common knowledge that they used it intensively for fact-checking.

It's understandable. It's a bit dick-ish, but understandable.
 
When Taluntain kicked The Vault out of his server because it was killing it (he probably regrets it now given the page views it's getting), we were pretty desperate for hosting and Bethesda actually wanted to host it. In the end, we decided to go for Wikia even with all its ads, as we didn't want it to turn to a Fallout 3 wiki where Fallout 1 and 2 are merely a footnote (compared to our current main page, where we try to give the games equal focus).
 
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