Josh Sawyer is helping with an Apocalypse Now game.

Dependes on what you mean.
I mean New Vegas combined the worthwile aspects of Bethesda's approach and the classic approach to make something good, but beth's attempts at fallout themselves are mediocre games that survive off people's addictive personalities.
 
Walpknut said:
Dependes on what you mean.
I mean New Vegas combined the worthwile aspects of Bethesda's approach and the classic approach to make something good, but beth's attempts at fallout themselves are mediocre games that survive off people's addictive personalities.
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Some of them feel the same way I do about games like Wasteland 2 and PoE - they are cashing in off nostalgia, not half the RPG's some of the old games were, and filled with overly verbose padding and trash combat. In PoE's case a smattering of SJW thrown in along with stretch goals and bullshit. It boils down to Planescape, Fallout, and Baldur's Gate being name-dropped a hell of a lot and none of the games (generally speaking) living up to that.

New Vegas in their opinion is mediocre due to the shit engine. They take the hardliner stance that Roshambo did that we shouldn't support the decline of the franchises like Fallout. So you have some that won't play Bethesda garbage hating on some people like Avellone and Sawyer who are supporting Bethesda in various ways.
 
TorontRayne said:
Some of them feel the same way I do about games like Wasteland 2 and PoE - they are cashing in off nostalgia, not half the RPG's some of the old games were, and filled with overly verbose padding and trash combat. In PoE's case a smattering of SJW thrown in along with stretch goals and bullshit. It boils down to Planescape, Fallout, and Baldur's Gate being name-dropped a hell of a lot and none of the games (generally speaking) living up to that.

New Vegas in their opinion is mediocre due to the shit engine. They take the hardliner stance that Roshambo did that we shouldn't support the decline of the franchises like Fallout. So you have some that won't play Bethesda garbage hating on some people like Avellone and Sawyer who are supporting Bethesda in various ways.
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That's how games are marketed these days. When Dishonored was launched, they spent a lot of time talking about Thief and Deus Ex and as good as that game is, it doesn't compare to either. It just has the benefit of being better than the abysmal Thief Reboot. Do these games live up to the classics, no, but POE is definitely better than what Bioware is doing right now with their Gears of War with dialogue trees. I'm not saying their wrong, because their criticisms are entirely valid, but I do think these games do more right than they do wrong and I think their hearts are legitimately in the right place which goes a long way with me especially considering where some of these classic franchises ended up. Torment could've been turned into a first person loot shooter.
 
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