Just when you thought people with morals would be mourning:

RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

I'll asy this much: America did NOT have it coming. The American government may have, but those were 7,000 innocent people that died. Not a government.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

Apart from the fact that I was joking.

>From spelling Nazis for sure.

Ssssht, you.

>It really helps to explain what
>one means to avoid confusion.
> It isn't the fault
>of the listener, but rather
>the writer.

It's the fault of both. A reader can't read without the writer, but it's pointless for the writer to write without a reader. It's a matter of the writer being clear and the reader paying attention.


>Oh uh huh, you mean a
>country that has fallen into
>financial disparity,

You mean because of the capitalism that is "oh so much greater than communism"? Clearly.

>Oh sure, they rule.

More than anyone else...'cept China. Chineze rule:

"5,000 people died in America"

"Oh? Well, we condemn the attack, can we get back to work now?"

"America attacked Afghantistan!"

"Really? Cool. Can I please get back to work now?"

>Ruled what? A tiny country
>that didn't have the balls
>to join a side in
>WWII,

Replace "didn't have the balls" with "were too smart" and you have a good statement. And what's a small country supposed to do anyway?

>with a bank that
>refused to return money owed
>to post-holocaust victims

That was cruel of them, but no worse than what a lot of other countries did and are doing.

>and doesn't
>get involved in any foreign
>policy?

Which is smart.

>Oh uh huh, they rule.

Ehehehe, let me put it this way: You don't see them running all around there country like their balls are on fire, like "some" countries (not naming anyone, of course)
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

I have to agree that Switzerland is one of the more sane, and also pleasant countries I know of. And don't try to bash them again Xotor, I'm sure you could think of many reasons, but I also think that anyone on this board could think of twice as many bad facts about the US. Quit your "America is the tr00 democratic and bestest nation in the world!" ravings already.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

We did mean that the "nation" of America had it coming, not the people.

"Wouldn't It Be Nice If Everyone Would Just Die?"
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

Oh, please. It's Kharn more than anyone that starts this kind of crap.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

I didn't mean just this thread... just in general... its the picture you often get from Xotor.

Hmm... he's gonna be hella pissed off now I bet.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

No, in general, Kharn starts these arguments whenever possible, prompting irritated responses from people like Xotor. The difference between Xotor and Kharn is that Kharn goes out of his way to put down America while Xotor merely defends it in such circumstances.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-01 AT 10:09AM (GMT)[p]Ah, then the US should just stick it's head in the sand and pretend nothing is going on like Switzerland? Yes, just curl into your shell and pretend nothing is going on and hope it all blows away in time for the next tourist season.

Then, what the fuck are the US to do when they get accused of not caring and doing anything as they are one of the most economically-powerful and political powers?

It's Dutch-door action fucking! Damned if you go one way, damned if you go the other!

Switzerland can enjoy that comfort, as they are merely a tourist trap and some banks. In the grand scheme of things, politically not worth the scrapings from grandpa's diapers.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-01 AT 06:39PM (GMT)[p]*sighs* Listen to me for a moment, Doyle.

I'm not sure what you have against me. I'm guessing you've seen my posts on the AOF. Like I said before and will say a thousand times: Those posts were...evil. I regret them greatly, and apologised for them. Not only that, but I even took back my opinion as expressed in them. That doesn't make it right, of course, but listen to me for a moment, please:

Do not measure me with measurements based upon THAT POST. As far as you should be concerned when discussing with me, that posts was made by someone else. You can be angry at me for the posts, you can hate me for it, I don't care, but don't make a judgement of my opinions based on it, because the foundations of that post have nothing to do with my opinion now.

Yes, I still think America "provoked" these attacks (don't misread. I did not say "deserved" or "had it coming", but the foreign policy and weak defences was bound to provoke this kind of attack), yes, I still don't agree with the American attacks. But that should give you no reason to suddenly think of me as a communist-wannabe that runs around with a burning flag of the USA on a T-shirt shouting "Eehmerika should die!".

What I'm asking you, Doyle, is to try and drop your hatred for me and look at my posts with more attention, because you're drawing some weird confusing conclusions.

And hell, since I'm offending you guys, I won't continue in this way, provoking intelligent discussion. If you don't like it, which you obviously don't, I have no reason to continue them. Heck, I don't care, I have no reason to wish to force my opinion on others.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

Hmmm, all things considering, Rosh, don't you think you should be worrying more about solving the problems and evil doings within the USA? Because you know they're there. The USA isn't heaven, nor will it ever be.

I agree you shouldn't ignore problems in other lands. That would be very evil, of anyone, but it's a good idea to make sure you solve the biggest problems within your own place before going after someone else.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

What is ironic about this statement? Anyone? Anyone?
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

Kharn, I'm not making a judgement on one post, or two, or three posts. I've seen it far too many times on half a dozen boards.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

>Hmmm, all things considering, Rosh, don't
>you think you should be
>worrying more about solving the
>problems and evil doings within
>the USA? Because you know
>they're there. The USA isn't
>heaven, nor will it ever
>be.

But you see, we've ALREADY built our infrastructure. The USA makes up one FOURTH of the planet's GDP. We output more goods and services than entire continents. Our internal problems are social problems, not economic or political problems. We can't just dump a whole lot of money on the problems and expect them to be fixed, we've already DONE that for most of them.

Unlike Belgium and many European nations, we have HUGE amounts of diversity in race, religion, ethnic origin, and creed. In Europe you have political borders to divide ethnic backgrounds. You can literally change languages three to four times when travelling a few hundred miles. Look at where the major problems are occuring in Europe and the Middle East: Ethnic Albanians vs. Serbs, Protestants vs Catholics in Ireland, Jews vs. Muslims in Israel/Palestine. Without political borders, and sometimes WITH them, your relatively tiny nations break into chaos.

You think it is any easier in the United States? We have disempowered African Americans, Native Americans on reservations dotting the country, Mexicans flooding in from Mexico, Islamic people who are treated badly because of the recent terrorism, LDS people in Utah (where I live) who feel they are treated as either the majority or the minority (like my University), Chinese people, Japanese people, Brazilian people, you name it, we've got it. And you expect us to be able to merely focus our attention inside and fix what is going on?

>I agree you shouldn't ignore problems
>in other lands.

Yeah, we left Europe alone and look what happened: Two World Wars, both within fourty years of each other. You NEED a moderator.

>That would
>be very evil, of anyone,
>but it's a good idea
>to make sure you solve
>the biggest problems within your
>own place before going after
>someone else.

Oh, and those would be?

-Xotor-

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RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

>>Oh uh huh, you mean a
>>country that has fallen into
>>financial disparity,
>
>You mean because of the capitalism
>that is "oh so much
>greater than communism"? Clearly.

You mean a country so BROKEN from the previous system that it was severely handicapped for its new government?

You don't send a mentally handicapped child into school and expect him to do well.

>>Ruled what? A tiny country
>>that didn't have the balls
>>to join a side in
>>WWII,
>
>Replace "didn't have the balls" with
>"were too smart" and you
>have a good statement. And
>what's a small country supposed
>to do anyway?

No, I would say "didn't have the BALLS."

>>with a bank that
>>refused to return money owed
>>to post-holocaust victims
>
>That was cruel of them, but
>no worse than what a
>lot of other countries did
>and are doing.

Oh really, like who?

>>and doesn't
>>get involved in any foreign
>>policy?
>
>Which is smart.

To do jack shit? To be essentially worthless in the international perspective. We are going to have to ACT, if we want to live in a different world.

>Ehehehe, let me put it this
>way: You don't see them
>running all around there country
>like their balls are on
>fire, like "some" countries (not
>naming anyone, of course)

But then again you don't see them doing ANYTHING in the international arena except SCRATCH their balls. Same goes for Belgium (except when we haul in someone to be tried).

The Marginot line might've actually been effective had Belgium actually chosen a side. France was in a predicament, they couldn't build the wall on the border of a neutral country, but then again couldn't have Belgium continue the line. Hitler marched right through.

Neutrality is an excuse, not a reason.

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RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

>We did mean that the "nation"
>of America had it coming,
>not the people.

But what constitutes a nation? The people.

Even Osama understands this. He stated that all Americans are legitimate targets. We ALL contribute to the "system," both directly and indirectly. A hermit has an impact because he does not voice his potentially social-changing opinions. No person is innocent.

-Xotor-

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RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

That's not true Xotor. Shows how much you know about Europe. Switzerland is a good example. There are 4 official languages (German, French, Italian, and one of their own which I forgot the name of), and at least two official religions (catholic and protestant). Plus a whole lot of immigrants, as there are in Germany. The people speaking different languages dislike each other somewhat, they're like different races, but the country gets along pretty well.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

>>>with a bank that
>>>refused to return money owed
>>>to post-holocaust victims
>>
>>That was cruel of them, but
>>no worse than what a
>>lot of other countries did
>>and are doing.
>
>Oh really, like who?

Sweden, for example. Turns out they helped out the Nazis quite a bit during the war, financially too. But it's all sort of covered up now, nobody talks about it.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

...but the country gets along pretty well.

By not giving a shit about the rest of the world. Yes, from a multinational viewpoint of myself (I've lived in a few different CONTINENTS over my life, which is more than some can claim).

So, what happens when a large country 'does a Switzerland'? They get accused of caring only for themselves.

Look in the mirror, no?

Xotor was correct, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
RE: Just when you thought people with morals would be mourni

>You think it is any easier
>in the United States?
>We have disempowered African Americans,
>Native Americans on reservations dotting
>the country, Mexicans flooding in
>from Mexico, Islamic people who
>are treated badly because of
>the recent terrorism, LDS people
>in Utah (where I live)

What are those ?

>who feel they are treated
>as either the majority or
>the minority (like my University),
>Chinese people, Japanese people, Brazilian
>people, you name it, we've
>got it. And you
>expect us to be able
>to merely focus our attention
>inside and fix what is
>going on?


Hate to bring this up, you you also have the KKK and the white suppremacist, the black panthers, those radicals in armed bunkers all over the place, the Omishes (ok maybe not),the gang wars in California...
People (some) still hate each other in the USA and they would gladly shoot each other over race and/or religion, however since you have close to 300 M in total population they are not making as big an impact as they would like.

Hey i'm not kidding myself we have some of those in Canada too, we had the natives shoot at police ten years ago.

>>I agree you shouldn't ignore problems
>>in other lands.
>
>Yeah, we left Europe alone and
>look what happened: Two
>World Wars, both within fourty
>years of each other.
>You NEED a moderator.

They do not need a moderator, this may sound ironic they need an emperor just like when Rome ruled over Europe, one nation = one target.
20 nations = 19 targets , you can always blame the other nations.
The blame game is an easy one: point and accuse.


I do NOT think that the american had it coming. However i think they needed a wake-up call (not one where thousands of innocent civilians would die)
Sorry to say this Xotor but you, heck all America (usa and canada) though they were on top of the world where no one could harm them. For that a wake-up call was needed... but not like it happened, never like that, not civilians, mothers,brothers, sons, sisters, fathers, kids.... never!

And lets not forget being on top or being the worls leader in anything makes you a target for everyone *cough* Microsoft *cough*


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