Liquid H20 Water - The Reoccuring Conflict of the Fallout Universe

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by The Man From Nowhere, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. The Man From Nowhere

    The Man From Nowhere It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Oct 28, 2017
    Fallout 1 - Retrieve Water chip for Vault 13

    Fallout 2 - Arroyo suffers the drought. Must find GECK.

    Fallout 3 - Purify Water for Capital Wasteland.

    Fallout: New Vegas - Battle over Hooverdam - WATER

    Fallout 4 is the only one that doesn't seem to fit this theme - to my knowledge.

  2. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Moved to General Fallout Discussion. It exists for a reason.
    But yes, water is a common theme. Makes sense, too, with Fallout being heavily inspired by desert-themed post-apocalyptic fiction where water is a scarce commodity.
  3. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    It's actually electric energy that is the center of conflict here. Produced by hydroplant, sure, but fresh water is not the real issue.
    Mojave Wasteland has several bodies of water and sources of clean water, and to my knowledge, most of the "water issues" in that game are minimal and inconsequential to the main story.

    As for FO1, water is a scarcity, hence Water Merchants, but overall, settlements usually have some basic source. Not in abundance, however.
    Your Vault has very specific needs in the form of Water Chip.

    FO2 is a bit different. Drought has hit several parts of the wasteland, including Arroyo. GECK is needed to save it. In reality, GECK is a poor McGuffin and the whole thing is just an excuse to have your character save your home once again, only to discover the real threat of Enclave. In my opinion, it was lacking in execution.
    That aside, most of the settlements have their source of water and food. Modoc was, for example, hit by a severe drought, but in general things are looking up.

    FO3 jumped the shark here.
    From Project Purity's illogical geographical placement to the unconvincing world (think of water beggars) where water scarcity is a bit artificial and ham-fisted in order to make a sort of thematic unison (and fail at it). This all 200 years after the war. Of course, you could handwave and say CW was hit by severe drought too, but the game doesn't really support this.
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  4. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    There are at least some quests about fresh water in NV, so it remains a source of conflict to some degree ^^
  5. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    I edited the previous post.
    Sure there are, but as I've written there, most of it doesn't have to anything with the main story.
  6. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    True, it's not the main conflict.
  7. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    I'd say in New Vegas in case is whoever controls the Hoover Damn, basically controls the Mojave. So, it's not completely about having it to have the best source of electric energy, it's more about having it to have the highest status of power in the region.
  8. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    IIRC, House needs power for The Strip - the rest is given to NCR, as per treaty, which is most of the power output. In reality, House is using that power, through The Strip, to power his own empire and all the things he does behind the scene. So he needs NCR there, as a cash cow that he keeps on milking.

    NCR on the other hand needs it because they need power for their ever-expanding domain. They also need it because they need to prove to themselves that Mojave Campaign wasn't a huge sinkhole of money, resources and human life - losing the Dam could potentially destabilize the Republic. On the other hand, the war itself is already doing that.

    Legion needs it because NCR needs it.

    You are right that status factors into that too. Hoover Dam has a historic importance for both sides. However, it's immense strategic importance is critical here.

    In the end, House tries to maintain that status quo until he obtains the Platinum Chip because that is in his best interest. Bear and the Bull just need to keep on bleeding themselves without either one succumbing to the other.

    As for Benny...well, he wants it all.
  9. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    That's all true. That's why i said it's not completely about just having it because it's the biggest source of electrical energy (even though it is the biggest factor), but also because whoever has it has the highest status of power in the region.
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  10. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    I'm surprised nobody ever made Salt a bigger deal considered how important it is.
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  11. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Dec 6, 2016
    I did once, for fun and kill some time. Caps are a stupid thing to have in the new games. I tried to work out a monetary system that involving seeds, seasonings, fertilizer, powder, and water of course

    It got very complex and I got bored fast.
  12. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    While 'techno' factions can ignore it all together, salt is pretty damned important.

    Also, just to add Atomkillas post, the NCR needs electricity to keep their empire together. Happy people with electricity do not revolt or otherwise cause problems.
  13. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    I love how the title is just a long tautology.
  14. NMLevesque

    NMLevesque Commie Ghost

    Jul 2, 2016
    And Fo4's economy centers around magically manufacturing water purifiers.