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Condolences to the Brits- seems Beagle 2 is a gonner.

New space craft on Mars!

If I were a martian I would be pissed off with all the crap landing on my lawn.

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What if we find-
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or it leads to...

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Exploring Mars

A ghoul's breakfast

Dec 30th 2003
From The Economist print edition


The current crop of Mars missions has got off to a bad start

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TWO lost. Three to go. That looks a fair summary of the state of the flotilla of spacecraft that sailed boldly forth from Earth last summer to study Mars.

The first victim of the Great Galactic Ghoul that some students of Mars jokingly suspect protects the place from nosy Earthlings was Nozomi, Japan's effort to get to the planet. This was actually launched in 1998, but it followed a complicated fuel-saving orbit that sent it around the sun and back to Earth, to be slung towards Mars at the same time as the other missions took off. Nozomi, ironically the Japanese for “hope”, was dogged with despair from the start. The need for the fuel-saving orbit was the result of a technical problem early on in the mission (it was originally intended to arrive in 1999). After that, a solar flare damaged the craft's electronics, and its controllers decided on December 9th that they would not be able to put it into a Martian orbit.

The second apparent failure is that of Beagle 2. This was a small British craft intended to land on Mars on December 25th. It may well have made it, but if it did, it is keeping disturbingly quiet. Its controllers had not, as The Economist went to press, managed to establish contact. They have not quite given up yet, though. Their initial efforts involved listening with Mars Odyssey, an American craft already in orbit, and with various Earth-bound radio telescopes. But the main means of communication with Beagle 2 was always intended to be its mother ship, the European Space Agency's Mars Express, from which it was released on December 19th. Mars Express went into an initial orbit around Mars at about the time that Beagle 2 was landing, and it is now being manoeuvred into an operational orbit that will take it over both poles. That manoeuvre should be completed on January 4th. A polar orbit will enable Mars Express to scan the whole Martian surface as the planet turns beneath it, so if Beagle 2 has landed in working order, but in the wrong place, it should show up.

Besides Mars Express, two missions launched by NASA, America's space agency, are still going strong. Spirit and Opportunity, wheeled rovers that are intended to explore parts of the Martian surface, are due to land on January 4th and January 25th respectively. Fingers crossed
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Ugly John said:
Last ship that was lost was because some idiot mixed up metric and US measures.

's not our fault US measures actually still exist

You guys should so go metric.
 
You know, if none of these missions succeed, the conspiracy theorists are going to go "Ahhhh, Martians! Aliens! They're destroying our missions!"
 
We tried in like the 70s or something to do a major shift to metric, but there were too many dumb people in the US (still are, look at our president). Most, if not all, of the units I use at school are metric, though.
 
In Cannuckasthan we are in metric, .... and US.
Metric is the official measuring system, but you can still find US measures used, like we say our eight in feet, our weights in pounds, but our distances are in meters.
 
Hehe. That's so bloody typical: the European Mars lander gets fucked and the American one lands successfully. Hm. There goes another billion Euros... :roll:
 
It's not my fault, I don't care what unit I measure with. I can understand and translate U.S. to metric pretty well in my head, but some people I know don't even know how long a meter is. However I just hate horsepower, it makes no sense to me. I think the world should switch to the Japanese engine power terms.

And also about the landers, why does anybody care, there is nothing there. I'm gettng tired of my country wasting money on these ridiculously expensive endeavors and not succeding in finding anything of importance. There are other places that we know very little about.
 
Dove said:
I'm gettng tired of my country wasting money on these ridiculously expensive endeavors and not succeding in finding anything of importance. There are other places that we know very little about.

And miss the chance to see the UA's astronomy department w/a crate of eggs on its face?! Not on your life!!! :lol:

OTB
 
They already look like morons by wasting millions of dollars on a messed up mirror.
 
Dove said:
However I just hate horsepower, it makes no sense to me. I think the world should switch to the Japanese engine power terms.

Horsepower = torque x rpm / 5252

Pretty straightforward. How do the Japanese measure engine power?

As for the metric system, it should be changed, although if you think about it, would it really make a difference for the average person.
 
Blade Runner said:
Hehe. That's so bloody typical: the European Mars lander gets fucked and the American one lands successfully. Hm. There goes another billion Euros... :roll:

The American one shot it down! It was supporting terrorism, we swear!

Europe is going to feel really bad if we get the other lander to work too...
 
Engine power measured in kilowatts, like motorcycles in Great Britain. I'm assuming other countries measure MC power in the same way. It just makes more sense to me.

I actually do want to change to the metric system, but meh, how can I actually change anything here.
 
In chemistry and sciences, we americans use metric. I think because its more exacting.

Horsepower in america is the same... but torque is lb/ft. Though, we have Liter engines. I dunno, we do things all screwy.
 
kumquatq3 said:
The American one shot it down! It was supporting terrorism, we swear!

Hehe.

Great pictures from the Spirit, though. I hope the other lander also makes it and brings us some interesting news.
 
They should make the second lander land next to beagle2 and take pictures of it, to post them all over the net with OWNED on it.
 
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