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Every news gets me more excited I hope I won't be dissapointed this time.
The only thing I don't like besides worse animations, (and no isometric perspective with TB combat - but I knew that this won't happen in Fallout game anytime soon) is the fact that they didn't change V.A.T.S., it seems I'm gonna play through Vegas without using it even once, just as I did with Fallout: Capital Wasteland.
The only thing I don't like besides worse animations, (and no isometric perspective with TB combat - but I knew that this won't happen in Fallout game anytime soon) is the fact that they didn't change V.A.T.S., it seems I'm gonna play through Vegas without using it even once, just as I did with Fallout: Capital Wasteland.
Reconite said:This is one of the things I'm looking forward to most. So many newbs failing skill-checks.
Too bad reviewers will portray this as an "inconvenience" and mark the game down a point for it.
No. Don't even say that. Some Beth lurkers here might see it and run home to daddy to have him put more shackles on Obsidian.
They won't complain because the game won't punish failed skill checks. It's always wise to use the answer, because the worst-case scenario is some funny dialog.Reconite said:This is one of the things I'm looking forward to most. So many newbs failing skill-checks.fcmfan said:
Too bad reviewers will portray this as an "inconvenience" and mark the game down a point for it.
SomeBritishDude
First time out of the vault
Dionysus said:They won't complain because the game won't punish failed skill checks. It's always wise to use the answer, because the worst-case scenario is some funny dialog.Reconite said:This is one of the things I'm looking forward to most. So many newbs failing skill-checks.fcmfan said:
Too bad reviewers will portray this as an "inconvenience" and mark the game down a point for it.
While is sounds interesting and could possibly mean some funny results it also sounds a little like it might gimp Speech even more if it's used often since it won't be a requirement to get the best reactions from people.
I imagine if Speech still acts in the same way it did in Fallout 3 Speech tests at least will have consequences for failure, but possibly a greater reward for success.
Either that or it has some sort of other in game use. Maybe it makes your reputation go down slower and up faster?
Another possibility is that Speech has simply been removed. I mean if you had the option of buffing up a skill that is used for nothing but getting better reactions from people and another that will blow people to bits with the added bonus of getting stuff off people which would you choose?
But then again that would mean the only skill Charisma adds to is Barter...unless it allows you to bluff a little and plan a ambush that makes sense with somebody when you sneak is at 12.
Obviously I am not a game designer so I don't know. Hopefully these dudes have found a way to balance it.
Wretched Flamingo
Sofa King
Another reason to always save before you (might) do something dumb.
The idea would be that speech affects persuasion and lying, while science and barter affect discussing science and bartering. The only big change from FO3 is that bartering will be used appropriately. But speech should still be useful for solving quests.SomeBritishDude said:
Well, the consequence for failure is the same as not trying at all. So, it really isn't a consequence for failure.SomeBritishDude said:
SomeBritishDude
First time out of the vault
Dionysus said:
The problem is that all these skill have uses outside of talking to people. Where as with Speech it's only purpose is to persuade. If most other skills can do this where appropriate then Speech looses not only a lot of it's usefulness but also it's uniqueness.
There may be way's to balance this out. One way would be to have these skill checks in Speech have 2 options; Use Skill to answer or use Speech to answer.
Let's say you have a dialogue option where you could win yourself some very, very powerful bombs by passing a explosives check. However your explosives isn't high enough. You could either walk away without any penalty and come back later when it's higher OR you could choose to have a Speech test instead. This dialogue option would be a risky one like "OH GOD! They're going to blow! Give them to me so I can disarm them quick!" If you pass this Speech check you get yourself the bombs even though your explosive skill is low. If you don't however the dude will attack you.
What I'm trying to say is if unique dialogue options can now be achieved regularly with other skills then Speech needs something new to stop it from becoming a very boring and useless option.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
A better idea is that the dialogue option gets locked out if you fail, IMO, a thing you don't risk with the normal Skill Check.
SomeBritishDude
First time out of the vault
Stanislao Moulinsky said:
It could jump between the two depending on the severity of what you said, who your talking to, the worth of the prize ect. But yeah, loosing that option forever would probably be the better choice.
cunningandvalor
It Wandered In From the Wastes
"assist the people of Goodsprings to beat the gang off."
hehe.
hehe.
SomeBritishDude
First time out of the vault
cunningandvalor said:
Huh, looks like Fallout 2's ability to become a porn star is making a come back.
UncannyGarlic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Given that the point is probably to reduce the number of quickloads people need to make, that'd be self defeating. Besides which, you'd have to explain that to make sense and I don't see that happening in a lot of conversations that will likely be repeatable. If they don't get pissed at you and refuse to talk to you, I see no reason to lock individual dialog options (trees maybe...).Stanislao Moulinsky said:
SomeBritishDude
First time out of the vault
Stealste said:
Muh...At least it's original.